Fox News Fair & Balanced Uranium One Deal

[IronWing]

double post

 

[IronWing]

Great addition to the commentary here. Capable of any original input?

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So you're a troll, but what kind of troll? Regular, run of the mill Russian we've become accustomed to here or an honest to goodness right wing delusional party hack freshly crawling out of Bannon's cess pool?

I found a video of Breitbart's troll factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jamrudGfC4

 

[momeNt]

That would be one hell of a long game considering almost 100% of the donations came something like 3 years before the deal and something like a year and a half before she became Secretary of State.

That’s quite a crystal ball the Russians would have to have had. Considering the timeline doesn’t make sense the most likely answer is that there’s nothing to it but unscrupulous political enemies of Clinton find it useful to attack her with.

2009 to 2013. All they would have needed to know or believe was that she had planned to run in 2016. Bill was in Moscow for 500k speaking to a group with ties to the Kremlin so there is a chance they simply asked.

Underestimating them is not the best play here.

 

[ch33zw1z]

dont stop there, lets hear the rest of this theory...

 

[dank69]

2009 to 2013. All they would have needed to know or believe was that she had planned to run in 2016. Bill was in Moscow for 500k speaking to a group with ties to the Kremlin so there is a chance they simply asked.

Underestimating them is not the best play here.

And their plan to corrupt her was to put money into a foundation that she does not get money from, but actually contributes her own money to as well? Brilliant. Are you related to Poirot?

 

[fskimospy]

2009 to 2013. All they would have needed to know or believe was that she had planned to run in 2016. Bill was in Moscow for 500k speaking to a group with ties to the Kremlin so there is a chance they simply asked.

Underestimating them is not the best play here.

Your timeline is wrong. The vast majority of the donations came in 2007 and 2008 and from someone not even involved in the company at the time of the deal.

The 17 dimensional chess idea where people not involved in the deal donate millions to a foundation with the idea of influencing the Secretary of State years later as one of nine agencies who had to sign off when they didn’t even know who the secretary would be is a logical absurdity.

It’s always good to not underestimate people but not at the expense of logic and common sense.

I’ve asked many people and literally no one has been able to come up with an answer. Can you tell me what the Russian plan was? We have money to CF —> ??? —> uranium. What’s that ???

 

[momeNt]

Your timeline is wrong. The vast majority of the donations came in 2007 and 2008 and from someone not even involved in the company at the time of the deal.

The 17 dimensional chess idea where people not involved in the deal donate millions to a foundation with the idea of influencing the Secretary of State years later as one of nine agencies who had to sign off when they didn’t even know who the secretary would be is a logical absurdity.

It’s always good to not underestimate people but not at the expense of logic and common sense.

I’ve asked many people and literally no one has been able to come up with an answer. Can you tell me what the Russian plan was? We have money to CF —> ??? —> uranium. What’s that ???

Wait... donations WHILE SHE WAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Wait... donations WHILE SHE WAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE?

primaries are just that, so no....

 

[momeNt]

dont stop there, lets hear the rest of this theory...

You are right Russia is completely incompetent. Nothing to see here move along.

I'm starting to doubt whether or not Russia even has ties to Trump or was even involved in his election I guess.

They are incapable of accomplishing anything.

 

[momeNt]

primaries are just that, so no....

Did not say democratic nominee. Please, keep up.

 

[fskimospy]

Wait... donations WHILE SHE WAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE?

Did you think the Clinton Foundation stopped accepting donations while she was running for president? Why would you think that? I mean did Trump close up shop for all of his businesses while running for president? (or after?) And remember, as opposed to a heavily regulated nonprofit where the Clintons didn't extract any monetary benefit the money to Trump's businesses was going straight in his pocket.

Actually on that note has any primary candidate divested/closed up shop on their nonprofit/business in the way you're talking about at any time in US history?

Again though, apply logic and common sense to this issue. Money to Clinton Foundation -->??? --> uranium deal. If you can't fill in the ??? with something remotely plausible I feel like you have to admit this conspiracy theory is illogical.

 

[momeNt]

Did you think the Clinton Foundation stopped accepting donations while she was running for president? Why would you think that? I mean did Trump close up shop for all of his businesses while running for president? (or after?) And remember, as opposed to a heavily regulated nonprofit where the Clintons didn't extract any monetary benefit the money to Trump's businesses was going straight in his pocket.

Actually on that note has any primary candidate divested/closed up shop on their nonprofit/business in the way you're talking about at any time in US history?

Again though, apply logic and common sense to this issue. Money to Clinton Foundation -->??? --> uranium deal. If you can't fill in the ??? with something remotely plausible I feel like you have to admit this conspiracy theory is illogical.

I am not a proponent of a conspiracy theory.

I think Russia treats each individual act they do as an investment of sorts, some are solid plays, like a simple corruption move, some are more black swans, like seeing what they can get out of donations to CF. That does not mean they are related. You repeatedly asking to link them doesn't disprove that Russia is meddling.

Russia meddles, everybody knows this, this is simply 2 more examples of that. I don't think there is any reason to deny that.

 

[pauldun170]

Your timeline is wrong. The vast majority of the donations came in 2007 and 2008 and from someone not even involved in the company at the time of the deal.

The 17 dimensional chess idea where people not involved in the deal donate millions to a foundation with the idea of influencing the Secretary of State years later as one of nine agencies who had to sign off when they didn’t even know who the secretary would be is a logical absurdity.

It’s always good to not underestimate people but not at the expense of logic and common sense.

I’ve asked many people and literally no one has been able to come up with an answer. Can you tell me what the Russian plan was? We have money to CF —> ??? —> uranium. What’s that ???

An article from 2006

Clinton’s Africa trip was beginning with a Government Leaders Forum sponsored by Microsoft. Clinton had good reason to cultivate Bill Gates. The investor Warren Buffett had recently announced that he would double the Gates Foundation’s scale by donating thirty-one billion dollars—most of his fortune—and Gates was looking for reliable partners in the aids field. That night, at a hotel ballroom in Cape Town, Clinton sat down at the forum’s gala with Gates, the Presidents of Zanzibar, Tanzania, Mozambique, and Burundi, and the mayor of Cape Town.

Several tables away, I was talking with Frank Giustra, a mining financier based in Vancouver, who started, ran, and sold Lions Gate Films. Giustra is in his late forties. He is short and trim and has close-cut white hair. The plane in which Clinton was touring Africa was Giustra’s, an MD-87 jet, complete with leather furniture and a stateroom. Giustra told me that he was still heavily involved in business—he travels frequently to Kazakhstan, to check on mining interests he has there—but that his wife had been pushing him to give away more of his money.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/09/18/the-wanderer-3

 

[pauldun170]

From 2008

This week as I put together this philosophical profile of Vancouver multi-millionaire Frank Giustra, I struggled often with weighing his sincerity as a philanthropist. As a skeptical journalist, I didn’t want to succumb to corporate public relations, by which we in the media are so often manipulated. In the end, I came to the conclusion Frank Giustra is the real deal, a man who doesn’t pretend to be a saint but is putting his money where his mouth is — into a vision of a more just and fair world.
http://vancouversun.com/g00/news/st....encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8=

 

[fskimospy]

I am not a proponent of a conspiracy theory.

I think Russia treats each individual act they do as an investment of sorts, some are solid plays, like a simple corruption move, some are more black swans, like seeing what they can get out of donations to CF. That does not mean they are related. You repeatedly asking to link them doesn't disprove that Russia is meddling.

Russia meddles, everybody knows this, this is simply 2 more examples of that. I don't think there is any reason to deny that.

So we agree that the donations to Clinton Foundation -> uranium is an illogical conspiracy theory, right?

As far as the whole idea that foreign governments try to influence powerful people in the US I feel like that kind of goes without saying. It's hard to see why that's unique to Clinton or relevant to this thread though?

 

[momeNt]

So we agree that the donations to Clinton Foundation -> uranium is an illogical conspiracy theory, right?

As far as the whole idea that foreign governments try to influence powerful people in the US I feel like that kind of goes without saying. It's hard to see why that's unique to Clinton or relevant to this thread though?

Correct, it is illogical.

Russia could have simply provided Trump/Bannon with two separate and distinct moves, and said make it look bad on her. Once the allegation is out there, refuting it with sound logic doesn't even matter anymore. The best part, is internet trolls can simply repeat things that are actually true. 20% uranium blah blah... and CF Russian donations. You can't refute that those two things happened, which makes it LOOK bad!

I guess the problem that the trolls have, is they WANT to believe the connection because at the same time they do NOT want to believe that Russia influenced the election. I am way past that. Russia is here and we need to admit that.

 

[fskimospy]

Correct, it is illogical.

Russia could have simply provided Trump/Bannon with two separate and distinct moves, and said make it look bad on her. Once the allegation is out there, refuting it with sound logic doesn't even matter anymore. The best part, is internet trolls can simply repeat things that are actually true. 20% uranium blah blah... and CF Russian donations. You can't refute that those two things happened, which makes it LOOK bad!

I guess the problem that the trolls have, is they WANT to believe the connection because at the same time they do NOT want to believe that Russia influenced the election. I am way past that. Russia is here and we need to admit that.

I agree with this, it's impressive how many people are repeating this conspiracy theory despite being unable to provide any plausible path as to how it could have occurred.

To be clear I wouldn't doubt for a second that the Russian government has tried to influence or compromise Hillary Clinton in any number of ways. The thing is I'm not aware of information that indicates they have been successful and this uranium thing in particular is simply ridiculous nonsense.

 

[Jhhnn]

I am not a proponent of a conspiracy theory.

I think Russia treats each individual act they do as an investment of sorts, some are solid plays, like a simple corruption move, some are more black swans, like seeing what they can get out of donations to CF. That does not mean they are related. You repeatedly asking to link them doesn't disprove that Russia is meddling.

Russia meddles, everybody knows this, this is simply 2 more examples of that. I don't think there is any reason to deny that.

Meh. You're making too much of things that really didn't make any difference. Clinton's ability to affect the outcome of the Uranium One deal was insignificant. There's no evidence that she attempted to do so, only conspiracy theory. There's also no evidence that the deal was actually harmful to America, either.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are right Russia is completely incompetent. Nothing to see here move along.

I'm starting to doubt whether or not Russia even has ties to Trump or was even involved in his election I guess.

They are incapable of accomplishing anything.

so you cant think past your initial assessment?

 

[cytg111]

And their plan to corrupt her was to put money into a foundation that she does not get money from, but actually contributes her own money to as well? Brilliant. Are you related to Poirot?

I have had the exact same thoughts... Dont underestimate their psyops game... same with uranium it might well be an elaborate setup..

 

[Jhhnn]

Correct, it is illogical.

Russia could have simply provided Trump/Bannon with two separate and distinct moves, and said make it look bad on her. Once the allegation is out there, refuting it with sound logic doesn't even matter anymore. The best part, is internet trolls can simply repeat things that are actually true. 20% uranium blah blah... and CF Russian donations. You can't refute that those two things happened, which makes it LOOK bad!

I guess the problem that the trolls have, is they WANT to believe the connection because at the same time they do NOT want to believe that Russia influenced the election. I am way past that. Russia is here and we need to admit that.

Well, yeh, but donations to the CF didn't come from Russia but from others involved in the Uranium One deal. The truth is that Rosatom made a very generous offer to Uranium One stockholders & they took it. Nine agencies of our own govt, the Canadians, the Kazakhs & the S Africa stock exchange approved the deal. Hillary Clinton was coincidentally SoS at the time.

That's how the dots are connected.

 

[momeNt]

Meh. You're making too much of things that really didn't make any difference. Clinton's ability to affect the outcome of the Uranium One deal was insignificant. There's no evidence that she attempted to do so, only conspiracy theory. There's also no evidence that the deal was actually harmful to America, either.

I have stated, repeatedly, that I do not think they are related, I honestly do not care if they are related even.

Two things happened, and everybody has to admit that, because it is the truth. Trump and Bannon and the Russian troll army are then able to use those facts to make Clinton look bad.

That's all I am saying. That is exactly what happened as well.

My first post in this thread was that what mattered was the optics of the situation. That's all Trump and Russia cared about as well. Nobody cares if Hillary is corrupt, they care about making her look that way.

 

[brandonbull]

Maybe so, we'll see
$2.35 million is quite a bit different than $146 million
Also NO URANIUM LEFT THE COUNTRY
Will you be man enough to admit you were wrong?

How many more times do we need to cover this? Uranium leaves the country all the time for Canada and uranium was exported to Europe as well. Unless the country includes the planet Earth, then uranium did leave.

 

[ivwshane]

How many more times do we need to cover this? Uranium leaves the country all the time for Canada and uranium was exported to Europe as well. Unless the country includes the planet Earth, then uranium did leave.

Yes under agreements and approvals by participating governments. Are you now inferring that Canada is helping Russia (who already have large uranium deposits)?

I wish you were this interested in things like the state department awarding a no bid contract to secure US embassies in Russia to a company who has direct ties to Putin and his minions.

 

[brandonbull]

Holy crap this is a non starter, goddamn the right is desperate for a case to go vs. all the degenerate shit coming out of the right alt-right these dayss, from collusion with a foreign power to pedophelia back to money laundering and ALL the pussy grabbing... and the only response we get is bbbbbut the unanium, bbuttermails. Fck the uranium, someone might have doctered a book somewhere and it wasnt Hillary. If anything anything at all this could look like a psyops operation to make it look like some level of corruption.. A failed op by anyones standard with an IQ over 90. FORGET HILLARY goddamnit your orange dofus is picking a newclear war with NK cause twitter... fcking nutbags get your priorities straight. If your orange fatbag starts shit he cant finish there will be no forgiveness.

So now there is evidence of a broader involvement of Democrats and their Russian friends around corruption and it's a non issue because it isn't centered around Hillary?