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WhipperSnapper
Lifer
I wonder what kinds of jobs these were. College-education-requiring solid middle class jobs with benefits or poverty wage part time jobs?
If I eliminate one solid middle class full time job and replace it with two part-time lower wage jobs that don't carry benefits, have I thus created a net one job?
If I hire an Indian programmer on an H-1B or L-1 visa, does that count as a job?
Maybe they decided to start counting eBayers as having a self-employed additional job or maybe they're counting kids running lemonade stands.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
WRONG--and right. Yes, it can't be offshored, but it's still susceptible to direct global labor arbitrage in the form of hiring foreigners on work visas, such as the H-1B, H-2B, or L-1. So, they could hire Phillipino nurses or nurses from South Africa, etc.
Of course, as the rest of the employment market crumbles, more and more people will try to bumrush into the health care field, increasing the supply of labor in the field and thus decreasing wages and/or working conditions.
TheSlamma
Diamond Member
The first person to ask a question should get answered first, then move onto the next. MANY things in life work like that ya stooge.
During the Clinton years it was a lot smoke and mirrors dot com IT jobs. Well my part is done troll... lets hear your answer to the FIRST question you couldn't answer.
JD50
Lifer
So whose question did you answer? So let me get this straight, you are getting on me for not answering a question, but you are not answering the question either? I have no idea what the jobs were that were created, and my guess is that neither do you, otherwise you would have posted it. So what is your point in posting again?
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
It's also important to remember that the nation needs about 150,000 new jobs every month merely to keep pace with population growth. In other words--because our nation's population is exploding, including the population of working-aged people--a certain amount of new jobs are needed merely to matain the same percentage of working-aged adults who are employed.
Thus, while the media and the politicians might celebrate the creation of 100,000 new jobs in one month (of unknown or questionable quality), in reality it represents a loss of jobs relative to population.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
Maybe they're applying because, in spite of their hatred of low wages and poor benefits, it's the only job that might be available to them?
Don't you think those people would prefer to earn lower middle class wages and benefits working in a factory? Does anyone really dream of working as a cashier or a stocker at Walmart or McDonalds? Think about it.
Yeah, compared to having a solid lower middle class or middle class job, working at Walmart or McDonalds for poverty wages would make it a horrible place to work, don't you think?
JD50
Lifer
I doubt that anyone working at Walmart or McDonalds as a cashier for an extended period of time has any real life skills. If they want to get out of there, they should get some kind of trade skills. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I know its just anecdotal evidence, but everytime I have been into a walmart or McDonalds I do not see middle aged people stocking the shelves, working the registers, salting the fries, etc.. Its usually younger kids, late teens early twenties (of course the walmart greeters are about 80) or at McDonalds a bunch of hispanics mixed with obvious high school aged kids. Just for reference this is in the Baltimore/Washington corridor.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
I don't hate the wealthy nor do I hate Walmart.
Who's going to create the all of these middle class jobs? The U.S. economy already has the ability to create them but we're sending them to India and China and importing foreigners on H-1B and L-1 visas to fill them in the U.S.
The other issue is what the lower jobs would pay in an "American free market" economy (one that isn't suffering global labor arbitrage--no foreign outsourcing, no work visas, no mass immigration, no illegals). Since the supply of labor would then be limited, wages would have to increase. So, yes, there would still be a lower class and lower class jobs, but they might provide a higher standard of living at the expense of the upper classes which would have to pay more for goods and services.
It should also be noted that the increased expense of labor would encourage businesses to invest more money in labor-saving machines and technology, which would increase productivity, in turn allowing for a higher standard of living in this country.
Also, without the huge influx of legal and illegal immigrants, the lower class would have a higher standard of living because a wide assortment of external costs would decrease. For example, society could reap a cost savings by needing fewer police, fewer prisons, less government-funded health care (for illegals and their children), less education costs (for illegals), and less overcrowding. Presumably, the cost of real estate would also decrease (or increase at a slower rate) since less population growth means a slower increase in the demand for land.
Consequently, in a real American free market, the quality of life for the lower classes would probably increase significantly.
Also, the point you raise--that we must always have a lower class, raises several economic issues. For example, if ladders of upward mobility no longer exist or are very few (because we necessarily must have a lower "slave" class), then might it be morally right to steal money from the wealthy (often born into wealth) and redistribute it to the lower classes?
I don't deny that we'll always have a lower class, but at the same time we should strive for an economy that contains accessible ladders of upward mobility for those people who are willing and able to move up. Also, we should strtive to have an economy where a rising tide of prosperity does in fact "lift all boats".
TheSlamma
Diamond Member
Dude thats 3 replies to me, stop it!! thats stalking! 😛 oh wait I'm not a little b!tch 🙂
The aerospace industry has been doing well, Lockheed and small places like Adam Aircraft have been expanding at slow steady rates, unlike the Clinton era dot com bubble. Some offshore stuff has come back due to customer complaints like Dell business support, Gateway servers are assembled in US now instead of mexico.
Thats a start, how about your neck of the woods?
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
They could just gather weapons and go on an upper class killing-looting-maiming-and-raping spree. Why not? If you've concluded that a certain group of people are working to keep you impoverished by encouraing the government to allow global labor arbitrage and that your life is no longer worthwhile as a result, then you might as well seek out vengeance and justice before you starve to death. At least those poor people could enjoy the upper classes' food for a couple minutes.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
I hope that this the case, but I'm highly skeptical. Why should I employ someone to do knowledge-based work in the U.S. when I could hire a guy in Mumbai to do the same thing for 1/5 the price? Why should I hire an American to work as a carpenter when I could hire a Mexican illegal alien for half the price?
Here's some op-ed food for thought that makes reference to BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) stats:
Jobs Update: The Death of U.S. Engineering
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/060605_jobs.htm
Another Grim Report on the Jobs Front
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/060417_jobs.htm
TheSlamma
Diamond Member
Well lets see... Lockheed, Adam Aircraft, Dell and Gateway... My guess is that was what I could answer of techs question and it would seem those companies are not salting fries and flipping burgers wouldn't you? Those 2 questions are pretty silly really 🙂
Thats good to hear about the defense contracts, I knew you were capable of answering part of the question :light:
TheSlamma
Diamond Member
Clarifying my @$$. My answer was quite CLEAR without you having to make an example of it. Your answer on the other hand was vague but I made sense of it and took it as an answer. You were patronising me was all, like an "a$$" Though I don't deny I'm an a$$, just don't think you are any better. 😀
dmcowen674
No Lifer
JD, where exactly would these wonderful jobs in massive quantity be that you speak of?
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Is that the reason for false wars? Prop up a false economy?
and your proud of that?
JD50
Lifer
I don't believe that I said that there are wonderful jobs in massive quantities, read my quote above.
Like I said in a previous post, in the area that I live, there are many good jobs. The economy is going strong right now, you can deny it all you want, but it still won't make you right.
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