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Forza 2 Enduro Race Series - the all new bring it (with "FLAIR")

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The thing about the Supra is that like @ RA there are only like 2 or 3 3rd/4th gear corners followed by long straights. Laguna has a couple fairly short straights and 6 or 7 3rd/4th gear corners. I swapped my gearing around and made the Supra a 4spd and picked up .5 or so seconds, because it simply lacks the acceleration out of the corners that the Audi's have, and you can't carry enough speed through the corners to make up for it. The torque peak is @ 4K and the redline @ 6500 or so. You be default lose about .02 sec on every upshift, so if you turn it into a 4 speed, less gear changes = less lost time and being a 4 speed keeps it in the powerband longer.
 
To those who have not qualified.

I am going to ask that you complete your qualification by midnight tonight so that we can have the field set. If you do not qualify your spot will be determined by your current point total beginning with the highest point total getting the first available spot behind those that have already qualified.

In the future I would like to ask that EVERYONE qualify by Sunday the week of the race. You DO NOT have to do it with me at 9pm Sunday night. Anyone of the other racers can witness your lap and forward me the time. If you cannot do it at all on Sunday contact me for another date/time and we can work it out. I think it is only fair that everyone qualify in the same time frame because if you got an extra day or 2 of practice so should everyone else.

If I am out of line here say so but again I just want to be fair to everyone in the series.

Thanks

Greg


**EDIT I will be on later this evening for qualifying but only for 1 hour from 9pm - 10pm EST unless you contact me otherwise.

 
I know I'm not even racing this week but methinks you should just leave qualifying open until the night before. There's no benefit to locking it early and hopefully more people will be able to qualify.

QuikWgn messaged me last night asking if I could watch him qualify and I didn't get the message until this morning, dunno if he got anoyne else to help him out. Sorry bout that man.
 
There is a huge advantage to waiting until the last second while others qualify. After we qualify our cars are locked as far as parts are concerned. If someone knows a time they need to shoot for and aren't achieving it then they can change all the parts they want until they reach it on the very last night before the race. There is a huge reason why most motorsports qualify all on the same day and then deter people from changing engines. I am onboard with Blowfish on this one.

*Edit* Also, I think there should be some kind of penalty for not qualifying. In an 8 car field it doesn't really matter where we qualify so someone could simply not qualify and continue to make changes to their car as stated above without any real deterrent.

*Edit 2* I really like cheesecake.
 
Originally posted by: Abel007
There is a huge advantage to waiting until the last second while others qualify. After we qualify our cars are locked as far as parts are concerned. If someone knows a time they need to shoot for and aren't achieving it then they can change all the parts they want until they reach it on the very last night before the race. There is a huge reason why most motorsports qualify all on the same day and then deter people from changing engines. I am onboard with Blowfish on this one.

*Edit* Also, I think there should be some kind of penalty for not qualifying. In an 8 car field it doesn't really matter where we qualify so someone could simply not qualify and continue to make changes to their car as stated above without any real deterrent.

*Edit 2* I really like cheesecake.
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*Edit 3* You're making this way too complicated. You already shot down the point for landing PP, why penalize someone who can't make it to qualifying? And to clear up your concern why not just not post the qualifying times until the day of the race...then everyone's on a level field.
 
I'm with Blowfish and Waldo on this. I think qualifying needs to be locked in by midnight the Sunday before a race (maybe Tuesday if we race on a Thursday but it's probably easier to always be Sunday for consistency) and if you don't qualify, there should be some sort of penalty, whether it be PI or starting position or what. I really don't care if someone qualifies for the next race the day after a race but at that point, they're done and can't change their build without going to the back of the field. Anytime between then and the pre-race Sunday is fair game for qualifying as far as I'm concerned. We all made the committment to this series and honestly, if you can't find 5 minutes to qualify in a week and a half, this is the wrong series to be participating in. I realize we're all busy with life, work, kids, etc., but it's only 5 minutes. People have been posting lap times in the thread which means they've had the time to run laps but couldn't spare 5 minutes to run 3 laps with someone else on?

Not having a system to handle non-qualifiers is going to affect me this week, as well, most likely. I'm looking at changing my car, which if I'm not mistaken, was decided that that means going to the back of the pack (since I didn't qualify with it). Do I get penalized and start behind folks who didn't qualify or do I start at the back of the pack of those that did qualify? Since we had four qualifiers this week, the difference is starting 4th or 8th.

Edit: I also really like cheesecake.
 
I have more thoughts I want to expand on but I am really busy today so it will have to wait (maybe lunchtime).

But I will pop in to say this ...

I will keep Qualifying for Laguna open until Midnight tonight as I think that is a fair thing to do. I also agree that qualifying should open until midnight 2 days before the race (ie Sundays or the case of this week's race ... Tuesday).

Also once you qualify your car is LOCKED. You can tweak your tune but no changing parts.

Penalty - I need to think about it but I am kinda leaning towards it.



More to come ... gotta go.

Greg
 
A quick break between meetings

Ty - I understand your reluctance for any penalty but Qualifying is part of THIS series and rightfully so IMHO. If everyone blows off Qualifying then what is the point?

I find it difficult to believe that everyone cannot find 5 mins to qualify. If you are spending time tuning and practicing than I think you can squeeze in 5 mins to do this too.

Hell I am MAKING the time for all of this and have no free time at the moment (please do not take this as whining or that I have such a hard life). And Sunday night and last night I sat waiting for you guys to show for qualifying (not you since you are not racing this week) and only 3 guys came on. 1 person contacted me directly and that is it.

Not to throw a pity party but dammit my time is as valuable as the next guy and why should I wait around for 3-4 hours if no one is coming? It's not like it isn't clear when this is going on and to make things easier I said ANYONE could watch your qualifying and lmk. How much simpler can it be then that?

I don't want to be an a$$ as I have stated this from DAY ONE this is our series - not my series. We all make the rules and we all have to agree to them. I personally am enjoying the hell out of the series already and we have only had 1 race. Is it a lot more work than the mayhem of Wed nights ... yep it sure is but that was the point (or so I thought).

I don't want to run anyone off or discourage them to quit over this but I think it's only fair to ask guys to qualify for each race or eat a penalty other than starting in the back. If half of the participants drop out now then I guess that's the way it is. It sucks but so be it.

My plan is for a 2 point penalty and start at the back of the pack if you do not qualify. Qualifying will be open until midnight 2 days before the race (midnight Sunday deadline for a Tuesday race etc). I will always hold a qualifying session on Sundays from 9p-11p for anyone that wants it, this does not mean you have to qualify during that time.

Also if you change cars after you qualify you will have to requalify OR go to back of the pack. This is only an issue for this week really as you have to FINALIZE your car pick for the rest of the series BEFORE the 3rd race so this week is it.

Lastly I will no longer post qualifying times until race day as well (they were posted early this week so I didn't have to keep up with them AND to encourage others to qualify).



Again I may be out of line and you guys can vote/voice your opinion to knock this down but it's how I feel. And my apologies if my tone sounds harsh today as well, it's not a good day here in the office (not you guys fault of course)

Greg
 
I'm going to have to bow out the endro series. I'm running short as it is between both races and the wife and I are starting to look into buying a house.

I really don't think I'll have the time to do both races and have much fun with either, so I'll go ahead and drop the endro series. I'm still in for Wed racing and hopefully things will settle down for the next endro series.
 
No apologies needed for the tone, it's been a rough last week/weekend/this week for me as well. We had a ton of unexpected expenses pop up with our car, we're currently down to 1 car so I'm having to arrive at work an hour early and stay an hour late at times.

I understand you want this to be a professional series and such and that it takes a time commitment, I'm not sure if I can commit to it as it is. With hopeless leaving and I already knowing that I can't make it to all the races, I'm contemplating pull out myself as it is. Not that it's not a great series but it's a little "too" structured now for me, and with most of my Xbox time being when my wife is away it truly is tough for me to find the time/will to qualify. Kind of sad considering I was a big supporter for most of the stuff that added to the time consumption 😛

I'm still debating, I love the endurance racing and the continual use of the car, but considering I'm going to miss out on alot of the races I hate to be another obsticle on the track to accidentally hit people (just ask QuikWgn).
 
Well if you guys cannot do it anymore it will be very disappointing. You guys are good racers and will be missed on Tuesday nights.

I hope you can still work it out to be there.

Greg
 
Originally posted by: kabob983
Me too, I really don't wanna quit, my schedule as a whole nowadays though sucks.
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Well don't quit. Race the races you can and leave it at that.

You won't get the Series win but hey will still be racing with us.

Greg
 
You should all quit so I can claim the 1st place prize! Bwa haha

Sorry to hear you are having a rough time with...well...time Ty. Same for you hopeless. I understand though, real life got in the way of my racing last year as well. RL > Forza no matter what, so if thats what you need to do then gofer it. If you can make it then please do though. Its always a blast racing with you guys!

As for the qualifying topic, I am in full agreement with blowfish. There needs to be some fairness in it and the only way to really do it is to penalize those that don't make it. I think a week and a half is plenty of time to spend 5 minutes on qualifying.

 
You'd be so lucky 😛

Course, with only 10% of the races complete I'd declare the series void and withold your winnings! Mwahaha!
 
Penalty for not qualifying is fine with me.

Also, I've thought about the disconnects as sooner or later its going to happen. Its obviously not your fault if you disconnect (unless you pull the cord), but there should be a penalty as we cannot guarantee the disconnectee would have driven perfectly the rest of the race.

I came up with a formula that I think is pretty fair:

Finishing Place = P+[FLOOR((EXP(0.1*L)*2)]

P is the place you were in when you disconnected
L is the # of laps to go when you disconnected

So if you were in 3rd place and had 10 laps to go you'd finish 7th
If you were 1st place with 1 lap to go you'd finish 2nd

The more laps you have finished before disconnecting, the more lenient the penalty. If you have more than at least 15 laps left, even in first place you'd drop to 8th place no matter what.

This is just my opinion and of course is open to discussion / modification.
 
So everyone just slides around to accommodate the disconectee basically? Something like that might work.

I think I suggested it earlier in the thread but my thought was that a disconnect basically equates to a mechanical failure in real racing. It sucks when it happens and it ruins your race but it pretty much happens to everyone at some point. That may be a bit harsh so your formula might work better.
 
Leave it to an engineer to come up with a formula to handle disconnect issues ... classic.

Nice work though Blor!!

Works for me.

Just remember if I get disconnected I am always in 1st place and only 1 lap left no matter the race stats say when I get booted ... Executive Decision!! 😉

Greg
 
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