Former Russian Terrorist Tragedy Thread

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

ill let you know that tantawi is positioning for more political power as the mid-east is prompted to become more democratic. not to undermind the worth of his comments though.

political power for himself or for the Egyptian people?

Why not both?

Well the duty of a high muslim cleric is to advise the people and government.

So you assume that all people follow their supposed duty?

Just like you assume that the pope acts in the best interest for catholics and the US president in the best interest of Americans.

We all know it doesn't always work like that, at least you and i know that, for some they are not so cynical and believe what they are told.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

ill let you know that tantawi is positioning for more political power as the mid-east is prompted to become more democratic. not to undermind the worth of his comments though.

political power for himself or for the Egyptian people?

Why not both?

Well the duty of a high muslim cleric is to advise the people and government.

So you assume that all people follow their supposed duty?

No, there are many high clerics in the muslim world and as a muslim you have to fellow one of them, according to their researchs and teachings of religion. It's a personnal choice!

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Just like you assume that the pope acts in the best interest for catholics and the US president in the best interest of Americans.

We all know it doesn't always work like that, at least you and i know that, for some they are not so cynical and believe what they are told.

I don't assume that. If someone runs for president of the US, I assume that they partly run for political and personal gain...not solely out of some desire to help the American people.

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: dudeguy

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Muslim World Reaction to the Russian Hostage Crisis: Self Criticism

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5912071/

Self-criticism in Arab media follows school siege
Al-Arabiya GM: Muslims are main perpetrators of terrorism
The Associated Press
Updated: 6:32 a.m. ET Sept. 4, 2004

CAIRO, Egypt - Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism, a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged, a prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote Saturday, as Middle East media and officials expressed horror at the bloody rebel siege of a Russian school.

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Unusually forthright self-criticism followed the end of the hostage crisis, along with warnings that such actions inflict more damage to the image of Islam than all its enemies could hope. Arab leaders and Muslim clerics denounced the school seizure as unjustifiable and expressed their sympathy.

Russian commandos stormed the school Friday in Beslan, Russia; it had been taken over by rebels demanding independence for Chechnya. Russian officials said Saturday that the death toll was at least 250, with twice as many wounded. Many of the casualties were children.

Images of terrified young survivors being carried from the scene aired repeatedly on Arab TV stations. Pictures of dead and wounded children ran on front pages of Arab newspapers Saturday.

?Holy warriors? from the Middle East long have supported fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya, and Russian officials said nine or 10 Arabs were among militants killed.

?Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,? Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, ?The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!?

'Humiliating, painful' picture
Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups ? in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen ? many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of the al-Qaida terror network.

?Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims,? he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless ?we admit the scandalous facts,? rather than offer condemnations or justifications.

?The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us,? al-Rashed wrote.

Contributors to Islamic Web sites known for their extremist content had mixed reactions on the hostage crisis, with some praising the separatists. Others wrote that people should wait until the militants had been identified before implicating Arabs in the drama.

Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist, wrote in his column in Egypt?s leading pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram, that hostage-takers in Russia as well as in Iraq are only harming Islam.

?If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn?t have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age,? Bahgat wrote.

'A new low'
The horrifying images of the dead and wounded Russian students ?showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families.?

An editorial in the Saudi English-language Arab News put some blame for the bloody end to the school siege on Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying he couldn?t afford to lose his ?tough-man image.? But it added that ?the Chechens, with the choice of their targets, had put themselves in a position where no one would shed tears when the punishment came. They reached a new low when they chose toddlers as bargaining chips.?

Heads of state from Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait offered their sympathy Friday to Russian officials and to the families of people caught up in the hostage drama. A prominent Muslim cleric also denounced it.

?What is the guilt of those children? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government?? Egypt?s top Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, was quoted as saying during a Friday sermon in Banha, 30 miles north of Cairo.

?You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims,? Tantawi, who heads Al-Azhar University, the highest authority in the Sunni Islamic world, was quoted by Egypt?s Middle East News agency as saying.
© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Good news, thank you and it goes well with what we discussed yesterday, there ARE those who take a stand.

ill let you know that tantawi is positioning for more political power as the mid-east is prompted to become more democratic. not to undermind the worth of his comments though.

I am Jewish you stupid SOB, you don't have to tell me that.

If you do not remove my PM to you as your sig per my request i will have to ask a mod to ban you.

Remove my PM from your signature, now! This is the last time i will ask for it.

boohoo, i said stuff i didnt want quoted, teacher help me out of the sand pit, i dont like it anymore!!!

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

ill let you know that tantawi is positioning for more political power as the mid-east is prompted to become more democratic. not to undermind the worth of his comments though.

political power for himself or for the Egyptian people?

well obviously there is a balance for any political operator in a democratic process, but ultimately any egyptian election will be islamist dominated, not led by socialists like mubarak.

 

[MegaWorks]

boohoo, i said stuff i didnt want quoted, teacher help me out of the sand pit, i dont like it anymore!!!

Stop acting like a Jackass and remove that stupid sig.

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
AND YOU FVCKING MISQUOTED THE PM, M'lady? where in the hell did you get that from????

because you whinged about a reference to another member, and since she hasnt commented i thought i should leave her out of the fight you started.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: dudeguy

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

ill let you know that tantawi is positioning for more political power as the mid-east is prompted to become more democratic. not to undermind the worth of his comments though.

political power for himself or for the Egyptian people?

well obviously there is a balance for any political operator in a democratic process, but ultimately any egyptian election will be islamist dominated, not led by socialists like mubarak.

Even if that is true, what do think is better a gov't elected by the people or a dictator like Mubarak?

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
[PM]Now listen up punk, if that is the respect you try to portray you are doing a good job.

Respect for women and respect for your elders is something your punk ass never learned and it shows only one thing immaturity.

I went through three wars as an officer, as a father of three i know how to raise my kids, your parents failed.

You are a weak little twirp, so fvcked in the head that you think you have anyting of substance to say to a beautiful latina who DOES know her sh!t.

SHUT IT! it isn't an order, just some advice for your stupid ass.[/PM

THAT is the PM he misquoted.

misquote?!? i would have quoted it all if there was space. so here goes;

this is what happened: Klixxer PM's me for some reason;

klixxer:
You are making a HUGE mistake about Isla, i am probably the asshole you think i am but she is NOT.

You need to grow up punk.


me in reply:
she came out with a hyperbolic statement and i posted a joking responce, which she then second guessed - fuk her.

klixxer:
Now listen up punk, if that is the respect you try to portray you are doing a good job.

Respect for women and respect for your elders is something your punk ass never learned and it shows only one thing immaturity.

I went through three wars as an officer, as a father of three i know how to raise my kids, your parents failed.

You are a weak little twirp, so fvcked in the head that you think you have anyting of substance to say to a beautiful latina who DOES know her sh!t.

SHUT IT! it isn't an order, just some advice for your stupid ass.

me in reply:
well you bumbling prick, you count experience over talent, and thats why you are a fool.

at the end of the day, i went to a top university and work in the city, in london, whether you believe it or not.

i also respect elders who have something to respect, such as my bosses at work, who i have a great professional respect for, and my parents and so on.

but some clown-ass codger like you, or some befuddled old hoe like her, can kiss my ass.

klixxer:
No you fvcked up kid, i count talent as a result of experience.

At the end of the day, you will still be nothing but a punk.

You are like a juvenile little twirp running around in my PM's.

Do us a favor and SHUT IT, it was advice, not an insult and it was good advice.

You are somewhat amusing and remind me of my son 10 years ago when he was 5.

If that is what you are trying to portray, you are doing an outstanding job at it.

Now SHUT IT!

me in reply:
you are the one who started the PMs, have you forgotten that. Ill make a special place for your thoughts in my sig.

the dude guy of atot.

klixxer:
Christ you don't even know WHICH forum you entered. A clue would be that it was not OT.

You are indeed clueless, shut it, Isla is a woman and you wouldn't have a clue regarding how to treat a woman you little POS.

So SHUT IT ON P&N!

me in reply:
keep the quotes comin'

klixxer:
??


... whinging commences.
as you can all see;
a. he picked on me because i didnt like isla second guessing what i had put as a joke anyway.
b. he attacked me for no reason.
c. i only replied to defend myself when insulted, in kind.
d. i finished the exchange by not responding to his ridiculous taunts.

he is just another past-it, self-entitled, conceited, amateur, old-timer who has milked the state for everything he can get all his life, and only knows the bureaucracy he works in.
Klixxer - at least I work in a competetive private business, that is THE leader in its field globally.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: dudeguy

Originally posted by: Klixxer
AND YOU FVCKING MISQUOTED THE PM, M'lady? where in the hell did you get that from????

because you whinged about a reference to another member, and since she hasnt commented i thought i should leave her out of the fight you started.

so you chose M'lady as if i thought she is mine? are you completely whacked in the head?

You not only put the PM as your sig, you misquoted id as saying that she is MY woman, man, i have seen stupidity on these forums but you DO take the award for most stupid of the century.

now FOAD. you POS.

 

[CanOWorms]

While it's pretty funny to see klixxer explode as usual (and why did he randomly point out that he went through 3 wars?), maybe you should edit your posts since everyone seems to agree that it's against the rules to post PMs without consent. And klixxer probably shouldn't tell members to die regardless of what they've done or said.

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
While it's pretty funny to see klixxer explode as usual (and why did he randomly point out that he went through 3 wars?), maybe you should edit your posts since everyone seems to agree that it's against the rules to post PMs without consent. And klixxer probably shouldn't tell members to die regardless of what they've done or said.

i havent quoted any other PM's I have had, disparraging or not, but this guy attacks publically and privately with many unjustified and un-real statements and comments, so where do i stand?
i embarass him with what he didnt have the gall to say publically.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: dudeguy

Originally posted by: Klixxer
[PM]Now listen up punk, if that is the respect you try to portray you are doing a good job.

Respect for women and respect for your elders is something your punk ass never learned and it shows only one thing immaturity.

I went through three wars as an officer, as a father of three i know how to raise my kids, your parents failed.

You are a weak little twirp, so fvcked in the head that you think you have anyting of substance to say to a beautiful latina who DOES know her sh!t.

SHUT IT! it isn't an order, just some advice for your stupid ass.[/PM

THAT is the PM he misquoted.

misquote?!? i would have quoted it all if there was space. so here goes;

this is what happened: Klixxer PM's me for some reason;

klixxer:
You are making a HUGE mistake about Isla, i am probably the asshole you think i am but she is NOT.

You need to grow up punk.


me in reply:
she came out with a hyperbolic statement and i posted a joking responce, which she then second guessed - fuk her.

klixxer:
Now listen up punk, if that is the respect you try to portray you are doing a good job.

Respect for women and respect for your elders is something your punk ass never learned and it shows only one thing immaturity.

I went through three wars as an officer, as a father of three i know how to raise my kids, your parents failed.

You are a weak little twirp, so fvcked in the head that you think you have anyting of substance to say to a beautiful latina who DOES know her sh!t.

SHUT IT! it isn't an order, just some advice for your stupid ass.

me in reply:
well you bumbling prick, you count experience over talent, and thats why you are a fool.

at the end of the day, i went to a top university and work in the city, in london, whether you believe it or not.

i also respect elders who have something to respect, such as my bosses at work, who i have a great professional respect for, and my parents and so on.

but some clown-ass codger like you, or some befuddled old hoe like her, can kiss my ass.

klixxer:
No you fvcked up kid, i count talent as a result of experience.

At the end of the day, you will still be nothing but a punk.

You are like a juvenile little twirp running around in my PM's.

Do us a favor and SHUT IT, it was advice, not an insult and it was good advice.

You are somewhat amusing and remind me of my son 10 years ago when he was 5.

If that is what you are trying to portray, you are doing an outstanding job at it.

Now SHUT IT!

me in reply:
you are the one who started the PMs, have you forgotten that. Ill make a special place for your thoughts in my sig.

the dude guy of atot.

klixxer:
Christ you don't even know WHICH forum you entered. A clue would be that it was not OT.

You are indeed clueless, shut it, Isla is a woman and you wouldn't have a clue regarding how to treat a woman you little POS.

So SHUT IT ON P&N!

me in reply:
keep the quotes comin'

klixxer:
??


... whinging commences.
as you can all see;
a. he picked on me because i didnt like isla second guessing what i had put as a joke anyway.
b. he attacked me for no reason.
c. i only replied to defend myself when insulted, in kind.
d. i finished the exchange by not responding to his ridiculous taunts.

he is just another past-it, self-entitled, conceited, amateur, old-timer who has milked the state for everything he can get all his life, and only knows the bureaucracy he works in.
Klixxer - at least I work in a competetive private business, that is THE leader in its field globally.

Normally you do not post private messages without asking permission from the sender, i know i never would.

But considering the level of your stupidity. nothing is beyond you i guess.

I picked on you becasue you are extraordinarily stupid, and i don't think ANYONE doubts that now, i picked on you BEACAUSE of what you said, you are trying to get revenge on two people by posting my PM's to you and falsifying them, smart move, real smart.

I move for a ban, all in favor say aye.

 

[Gaard]

the dude guy of atot :laugh:



<---- the gaard guy of atp&amp;n

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: dudeguy

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
While it's pretty funny to see klixxer explode as usual (and why did he randomly point out that he went through 3 wars?), maybe you should edit your posts since everyone seems to agree that it's against the rules to post PMs without consent. And klixxer probably shouldn't tell members to die regardless of what they've done or said.

i havent quoted any other PM's I have had, disparraging or not, but this guy attacks publically and privately with many unjustified and un-real statements and comments, so where do i stand?
i embarass him with what he didnt have the gall to say publically.

I dislike Klixxer too. I think he is a violent thug (he's even admitted to it himself) who uses insults and swears in 95% of his posts. I despise his bigot-like &amp; violent statements and beliefs, but you should still be within the rules even if he is not with his posts calling for your death.

 

[olds]

News flash, dudeguy.
They are called Private Messages for a reason.

 

[Isla]

Either way, dudeguy... no matter how you try to deny it, you personally attacked me in this thread. I'm sorry that you have such a low opinion of teachers and that you feel that being rude and disrespectful is 'cool', but it's not really. It just makes you look silly.

So, first you are overtly obnoxious and insulting to me (because you think I was using 'hyberbole'???) and then you escalate things by starting a flamewar with someone who was defending me? Wow. Just wow. Maybe you need to find a more constructive use of your time, because you're not making much of yourself this way.

 

[MegaWorks]

you see dudeguy, you violated a rule of the forums you leave me to no choice but to vote you off. BAN!

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
[PM]

Normally you do not post private messages without asking permission from the sender, i know i never would.

But considering the level of your stupidity. nothing is beyond you i guess.

I picked on you becasue you are extraordinarily stupid, and i don't think ANYONE doubts that now, i picked on you BEACAUSE of what you said, you are trying to get revenge on two people by posting my PM's to you and falsifying them, smart move, real smart.

I move for a ban, all in favor say aye.

i dont think you will get many ayes, everyone clued in knows you are a clown anyway. i mean i wouldnt mind stopping this like in the PMs, but you keep it up each time i post.

In terms of revenge, first you want me to take Isla's name out of the quote, then you object to me editing the quote, then you object to me posting our PM's even though you decided to post one of yours. Like I said before - dont chit chat behind people's back if you'd be embarrassed by it!
I blame your parents. :disgust:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Isla
Either way, dudeguy... no matter how you try to deny it, you personally attacked me in this thread.

Doesn't a personal attack occur in almost every other thread in P&amp;N?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
News flash, dudeguy.
They are called Private Messages for a reason.

Exactly. Hopefully the MODs will see the Forum Issues thread about this and delete dudeguy's sig for him.

CsG

 

[conjur]

Vote for ban of dudeguy

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
News flash, dudeguy.
They are called Private Messages for a reason.

Exactly. Hopefully the MODs will see the Forum Issues thread about this and delete dudeguy's sig for him.

CsG

ha! im prepared to make a stand. people shouldn't put things in PMs that are unfair, insulting or unjustified, that they dare not say in the open forum. if the mods delete my sig, i won't whine, since its their rules, but i think they should be modified. at the end of the day he attacked me, so he should be banned. he shouldnt use some rules to get someone else banned, thats the kind of behaviour he should restrict to his 'working' day.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Isla
Either way, dudeguy... no matter how you try to deny it, you personally attacked me in this thread.

Doesn't a personal attack occur in almost every other thread in P&amp;N?

LOL, that's the truth! And to be honest, in general, I don't pay any attention to it.

However, I do think that dudeguy went out of his way to personally attack me for no reason. If you read back over the thread, from the beginning he harasses me.

Even if it is 'his' thread, I don't think it is acceptable for him to use it as a place to attack me. I was only expressing my saddness and concern about the situation in Russia, and he decided it would be fun to give me a hard time. That's not very sportsman-like, even in here.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: dudeguy
ha! im prepared to make a stand. people shouldn't put things in PMs that are unfair, insulting or unjustified, that they dare not say in the open forum. if the mods delete my sig, i won't whine, since its their rules, but i think they should be modified. at the end of the day he attacked me, so he should be banned. he shouldnt use some rules to get someone else banned, thats the kind of behaviour he should restrict to his 'working' day.

I vote that you both be banned. Problem solved.