Forget John Romero - XBox360 and PS3 ARE *Doomed*

[Jules]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i'd recommend the same for you

-except the major operation would kill you
:Q

have you EVER owned a console?

and *who* said you did ... now?

Better luck next time with the joke.

Sure have owned many consoles. Big Whoop, wanna fight about it?

 

[apoppin]

you're the one that wants to fight ... and also the one who started your "joke" but forgot its punchline

i have also owned many consoles ... in the beginning

i just wondered "why" you are laughing ...

--at the expert opinion and facts about the consoles decline ?
--that the PS3 is an overpriced flop and won't be getting good "exclusives'
--that MS has SUNK $5 BILLION into Xbox platform without ANY return whatsoever?


what IS there to fight about ?

other than the facts ... there IS big mouth fanboyism without ANY facts - or links - to back up personal opinion that the console is doing well

i can see that really clearly

so ... what is LoL-worth?

 

[josh6079]

i dunno Josh ... you'd actually have to READ those threads to comprehend what i was saying
-not just fixiate on little out-of-context snippets of what i said

They weren't out of context because they were exactly about what you were talking about, AMD's position. They also showed how you felt about them at the time, therefore serving as valid quotes to use when talking about how you feel about them now.

I'm not saying that your opinion of AMD didn't change. That's obvious. Hell, I think just about everyone's opinion about AMD has changed.

To me, it just seems awkward how one can be so sure AMD is "going down the tubes" - therefore leaving a monopoly in the GPU arena which means high-prices, slower development / releases, and poor driver support - while at the same time expect PC gaming to "boom" better than consoles. The very act of AMD dying would slow PC gaming down even more, which wouldn't help in the influence to move from console mainstream to PC mainstream.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: josh6079

i dunno Josh ... you'd actually have to READ those threads to comprehend what i was saying
-not just fixiate on little out-of-context snippets of what i said

They weren't out of context because they were exactly about what you were talking about, AMD's position. They also showed how you felt about them at the time, therefore serving as valid quotes to use when talking about how you feel about them now.

I'm not saying that your opinion of AMD didn't change. That's obvious. Hell, I think just about everyone's opinion about AMD has changed.

To me, it just seems awkward how one can be so sure AMD is "going down the tubes" - therefore leaving a monopoly in the GPU arena which means high-prices, slower development / releases, and poor driver support - while at the same time expect PC gaming to "boom" better than consoles. The very act of AMD dying would slow PC gaming down even more, which wouldn't help in the influence to move from console mainstream to PC mainstream.

so we're OK on the quotes ?!?
... OVER 6 months ago i had some hope left ... 5-1/2 months ago that completely changed

actually i am not *sure* AMD is going down the tubes ... they may find a buyer who can turn them around ... or they may even weather the 'storm'

i don't AMD will cease to exist ... i don't think i said that anywhere ...
they may not be as "major" a player ...
and - for the record - i don't think MS or Sony will go out of business because of their consoles either

otoh, their consoles might not survive

 

[josh6079]

No, I understand that. I was just confused since it seemed like you believed AMD to be heading down hill (to whatever destination) yet also believed that PC gaming to be heading up hill enough to be a better option than a console.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: josh6079
No, I understand that. I was just confused since it seemed like you believed AMD to be heading down hill (to whatever destination) yet also believed that PC gaming to be heading up hill enough to be a better option than a console.

well amd IS heading downhill ... if we are to believe their stock prices ... and upcoming product launch ...

but it may not necessarily be 'fatal' ...

and the pc IS gaining ground

as some consoles are losing it
[not necessarily to the PC]

... i would best describe it as in "flux" ...

and this thread serves as an [interesting] discussion of these changing times
[ i guess it is interesting ... it has been up for awhile]

as you may well know, i am the OP and i tend to take the unpopular viewpoint

--it allows me to see the other side
-- which was not presented well ... and - imo - the next gen console is 'less compelling' than previously

 

[josh6079]

well amd IS heading downhill ... if we are to believe their stock prices ... and upcoming product launch ...

but it may not necessarily be 'fatal' ...

and the pc IS gaining ground

as some consoles are losing it
[not necessarily to the PC]

... i would best describe it as in "flux" ...

QFT.

 

[Jules]

Considering this thread has so much misinformation ill just add my own


http://youtube.com/watch?v=KLGWSiJ1bzU

 

[Jules]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HEzoyLs4ELw

 

[redbox]

Ok apoppin you have provided links supporting that 2/3 consoles are not doing well. You claim that console gaming is going down the tubes and as such will result in the PC gaming community growing. Do you have any links that support the second part of your theory: That the customers that the PS3 and to a lesser extent 360 lost, went to the PC gaming side? In other words is there proof of a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming.

 

[Jules]

How to order a octowhopper http://youtube.com/watch?v=0YyzE7GUF7k&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

 

[apoppin]

what does it say ? i am not gonna link to it


and * don't worry* ... you have already added much misinfo and misdirection

and nonsense

... and an apparent attempt to 'up' you current post count with 'LoL's

 

[Jules]

wow dont even know how they finished that crap.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZfQ2E1wlJro&mode=related&search=

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: redbox
Ok apoppin you have provided links supporting that 2/3 consoles are not doing well. You claim that console gaming is going down the tubes and as such will result in the PC gaming community growing. Do you have any links that support the second part of your theory: That the customers that the PS3 and to a lesser extent 360 lost, went to the PC gaming side? In other words is there proof of a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming.

No, people are reading books nowadays. Didn't you get the memo?

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: redbox
Ok apoppin you have provided links supporting that 2/3 consoles are not doing well. You claim that console gaming is going down the tubes and as such will result in the PC gaming community growing. Do you have any links that support the second part of your theory: That the customers that the PS3 and to a lesser extent 360 lost, went to the PC gaming side? In other words is there proof of a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming.

No, people are reading books nowadays. Didn't you get the memo?

or OCTOWHOPPERS!!!

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: redbox
Ok apoppin you have provided links supporting that 2/3 consoles are not doing well. You claim that console gaming is going down the tubes and as such will result in the PC gaming community growing. Do you have any links that support the second part of your theory: That the customers that the PS3 and to a lesser extent 360 lost, went to the PC gaming side? In other words is there proof of a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming.

No, people are reading books nowadays. Didn't you get the memo?

or OCTOWHOPPERS!!!

Just watched it. Pretty intense, but then again, I'm not very impressed. I've eaten an 8x8 In'N'Out burger on several occasions.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: redbox
Ok apoppin you have provided links supporting that 2/3 consoles are not doing well. You claim that console gaming is going down the tubes and as such will result in the PC gaming community growing. Do you have any links that support the second part of your theory: That the customers that the PS3 and to a lesser extent 360 lost, went to the PC gaming side? In other words is there proof of a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming.

No, people are reading books nowadays. Didn't you get the memo?

or OCTOWHOPPERS!!!

Just watched it. Pretty intense, but then again, I'm not very impressed. I've eaten an 8x8 In'N'Out burger on several occasions.

Damn. Fat ass!!! I can barley eat a Tripple stacker.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: redbox
Ok apoppin you have provided links supporting that 2/3 consoles are not doing well. You claim that console gaming is going down the tubes and as such will result in the PC gaming community growing. Do you have any links that support the second part of your theory: That the customers that the PS3 and to a lesser extent 360 lost, went to the PC gaming side? In other words is there proof of a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming.

No, people are reading books nowadays. Didn't you get the memo?

or OCTOWHOPPERS!!!

Just watched it. Pretty intense, but then again, I'm not very impressed. I've eaten an 8x8 In'N'Out burger on several occasions.

Damn. Fat ass!!! I can barley eat a Tripple stacker.

I'm not even close to being fat! Of course I did this back when I was in high school and I played sports, so I guess I'm closer to being fat than I was.

On all occasions, it was right after a baseball game. My HS team and American Legion team always went to In'N'Out after our games. I ate a few for celebration after winning, a few to ease the pain of getting our arses kicked and a few because the hot chicks that were with us said I couldnt.

The beauty of it was, if I felt like trying for it, my coach always bought it as long as I ate it all and didnt throw up afterwards.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: redbox
Ok apoppin you have provided links supporting that 2/3 consoles are not doing well. You claim that console gaming is going down the tubes and as such will result in the PC gaming community growing. Do you have any links that support the second part of your theory: That the customers that the PS3 and to a lesser extent 360 lost, went to the PC gaming side? In other words is there proof of a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming.

No, people are reading books nowadays. Didn't you get the memo?

or OCTOWHOPPERS!!!

Just watched it. Pretty intense, but then again, I'm not very impressed. I've eaten an 8x8 In'N'Out burger on several occasions.

Damn. Fat ass!!! I can barley eat a Tripple stacker.

I'm not even close to being fat! Of course I did this back when I was in high school and I played sports, so I guess I'm closer to being fat than I was.

On all occasions, it was right after a baseball game. My HS team and American Legion team always went to In'N'Out after our games. I ate a few for celebration after winning, a few to ease the pain of getting our arses kicked and a few because the hot chicks that were with us said I couldnt.

The beauty of it was, if I felt like trying for it, my coach always bought it as long as I ate it all and didnt throw up afterwards.

I miss me some In'N'Out. The last time i ate that was about 2 years ago around LA. I also miss Carles Jr's. I live in Chicago so we dont have that around here.

 

[Matt2]

You dont have Carl's Jr.?!

Blasphemy!

I can't live without my Double Jalapeno Burger!

EDIT:

Anyways, back on topic.

I still dont think consoles are going anywhere. I'm going to concede victory to apoppin and say that Xbox360 and PS3 are doomed.

Not because that is how I personally feel, but because that is the natural evolution of gaming. Xbox360/PS3 beat PC. PC will overtake the consoles. Consoles come back and beat PC. Rinse and repeat.

Xbox 360 had it's run and will still have a couple of hoorahs before it's all said and done, think Halo 3.

PS3 on the other hand was doomed from the start. Too late, too expensive, no games. A console is only as good as it's best game and so far PS3 sucks.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Matt2
You dont have Carl's Jr.?!

Blasphemy!

I can't live without my Double Jalapeno Burger!

Nah we do have Hardees but its about 2 hours or so away from us. Whats that big ass burger called thats there biggest? I liked that one and some Chilly Cheese Frys

 

[Jules]

done.|

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Its funny that John Romero says Xbox and PS are Doomed... The Wii is probably Wolfensteined

(at least I get an A for effort)

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: redbox
Ok apoppin you have provided links supporting that 2/3 consoles are not doing well. You claim that console gaming is going down the tubes and as such will result in the PC gaming community growing. Do you have any links that support the second part of your theory: That the customers that the PS3 and to a lesser extent 360 lost, went to the PC gaming side? In other words is there proof of a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming.

No, people are reading books nowadays. Didn't you get the memo?

No point was that people could still be playing on the old consoles and not feel the need to spend the type of money the new ones are asking for. PS2 is still a strong console with many games that people enjoy playing. Just because there is a fall in console gaming does not mean there will be a rise in PC gaming.

I did some looking around and it seams that PC games have risen by about 47% (I can't remember the exact number) since last year. However this is mainly accountable to one game: WoW. It's expansion sold very well, pushing the numbers.

This case is interesting because it shows exactly why the newer consoles aren't doing that great. You NEED a good game to push your hardware. Without it there is no need for it. Like others have said the problem with the PS3 is it isn't marketed right. There is nothing about it that screams "You NEED me!". I think honestly one of the reasons the Wii is doing so well right now is because a good Zelda came out with it.

Furthermore these games don't need that heavy of hardware. WoW can be ran on a very simple computer, you don't need a whole lot of power. So these claims that PC hardware is getting more and more powerful does little to show what really draws people to gaming. Sure the cheaper the hardware the more likely it will sell well, but like I said the games are what drive gaming.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: redbox
Ok apoppin you have provided links supporting that 2/3 consoles are not doing well. You claim that console gaming is going down the tubes and as such will result in the PC gaming community growing. Do you have any links that support the second part of your theory: That the customers that the PS3 and to a lesser extent 360 lost, went to the PC gaming side? In other words is there proof of a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming.

No, people are reading books nowadays. Didn't you get the memo?

i actually missed that "acknowledgment" that i supported my premise that 2/3 consoles are not doing "well"

i do not claim that console gaming is "going down tubes" ... rather that is is changing ... and the PS3 and xbox360 are not the right direction ... rather the Wii is

and i *already* acknowledged that the customers that the nextgen consoles "lost" ... may NOT be going over to the PC ... that may be currently unrelated ... they may in fact be enjoying their older consoles - not wanting to "upgrade" for $400-$600.

i did not attempt to prove "a rise in PC gaming purchases to offset the fall in next gen gaming" ... that is for later, perhaps - although the *latest* info suggests PC gaming IS growing

and perhaps another thread [unless you want to run with it] ... it is far too convoluted for me to try to explain it here ... and somewhat unrelated

the title of this one is John Romero says only the Wii will survive - XBox360 and PS3 are *Doomed*

i leave you all to draw your own conclusions

but i am *very glad* to clear up MISinfo that 2/3 nextgen consoles are "doing well"