Ford's Advanced Assembly Plant

[gotsmack]

I don't understand why the big 3 can't just build new plants in Mexico and Canada and then one day just shut down the US plants and tell the UAW to go F themselves.

Even if they have to pay the salaries of some of their long time workers, the big 3 would come out ahead in the long run.

It would be real easy to do too. You just shift production of new generation vehicles outside of the US and then when its time to renegotiate contracts you say "no dice, we're just gonna discontinue production of all old generation vehicles and really focus on ****"

They may lose a few lines of cars, but you can always expand later.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Baloo
You guys are clueless(not You OP) You think the UAW has such control over the big 3 that they can dictake what manufacturing tech can be used, and general labor makes 30/hr. You have no clue. UAW has no say in such things, and only skilled labor makes 30/hr. Get real!

I may be clueless about how the UAW works, but at least I can spell dictate!!

 

[George P Burdell]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: sandorski
UAW has nothing to do with it.

exactly, uaw has nothing to do with that plant in brazil. Therefore it may have a chance to turn a profit for ford. I knew you were somewhat smart.

Well played, sir!

 

[Scarpozzi]

Like they said, the UAW wouldn't like a plant like that... That's why many of the foreign car companies are doing so well...they didn't start with half of the worker overhead that the American companies deal with. (and by overhead, I'm talking about years of mismanagement by today's standards and general worker/union bitching)

 

[idiotekniQues]

the unions made the american car companies focus on SUV's

oops

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
It can't be advanced in the USA because of the UAW.

yep

Yep.

actually several new assembly plants are being built in the USA right now, just in the south instead of in Detroit. My home city of Chattanooga just won a billion+ assembly plant for VW, and last year Toyota announced a new multibillion dollar plant in Alabama that's going to make Priuses.

Is the UAW involved in any of those plants? I'm betting no...

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: rrahman1


http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

Wish they had built that here in Detroit. I would've loved to work there.

Why would ford spend any money in michigan when they have to deal with UAW?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Baloo
You guys are clueless(not You OP) You think the UAW has such control over the big 3 that they can dictake what manufacturing tech can be used, and general labor makes 30/hr. You have no clue. UAW has no say in such things, and only skilled labor makes 30/hr. Get real!

You're so wrong it hurts. The only way UAW allowed technological progress in the past is with trade offs (job banks etc.) and they do not allow non-union labor in the assembly plants. Buddy of mine was an intern at one of the big 3 and he had to have uaw escort if he wanted to enter the plant.

Edit: Technological progress meaning replacing workers with robots etc.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
I don't understand why the big 3 can't just build new plants in Mexico and Canada and then one day just shut down the US plants and tell the UAW to go F themselves.

Even if they have to pay the salaries of some of their long time workers, the big 3 would come out ahead in the long run.

It would be real easy to do too. You just shift production of new generation vehicles outside of the US and then when its time to renegotiate contracts you say "no dice, we're just gonna discontinue production of all old generation vehicles and really focus on ****"

They may lose a few lines of cars, but you can always expand later.

Canada has the CAW and Northern Mexican labor is not exactly up to par. And if you build it in Southern mexico suddenly the cost of production goes through the roof because of freight charges.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Passions
It's still a Ford, which means it will break down after two years and be worth 30% of original value.

:roll: I own a 2003 Ford F-150 that has not been in the shop for anything other than standard maintenance in the 5 years I have owned it.

 

[AmpedSilence]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Passions
It's still a Ford, which means it will break down after two years and be worth 30% of original value.

:roll: I own a 2003 Ford F-150 that has not been in the shop for anything other than standard maintenance in the 5 years I have owned it.

same here, but I have a 2002 Taurus.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Baloo
You guys are clueless(not You OP) You think the UAW has such control over the big 3 that they can dictake what manufacturing tech can be used, and general labor makes 30/hr. You have no clue. UAW has no say in such things, and only skilled labor makes 30/hr. Get real!

You're so wrong it hurts. The only way UAW allowed technological progress in the past is with trade offs (job banks etc.) and they do not allow non-union labor in the assembly plants. Buddy of mine was an intern at one of the big 3 and he had to have uaw escort if he wanted to enter the plant.

Edit: Technological progress meaning replacing workers with robots etc.

You replace the line workers with robots, but you have to hire engineers, electricians and maintenance people to fix the robots. My company only has 3 real automated lines, but we have tons of maintenance people and engineers around to fix the things when they break down. The output of those devices is so much greater than humans, that it makes since to have them running 24x7 and paying people to sit around just in case, than to have people make the product with no automation.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Passions
It's still a Ford, which means it will break down after two years and be worth 30% of original value.

:roll: I own a 2003 Ford F-150 that has not been in the shop for anything other than standard maintenance in the 5 years I have owned it.

same here, but I have a 2002 Taurus.

same here, but I got a 94 ranger.
Although on our 2001 windstar, we have have to replace the ignition coil, the instrument cluster, a pfe sensor, and now we are getting the abs light coming on intemittantly along with the trac control light saying its off and some other brake light. Doesn't seem to affect the braking though. Think maybe one of the abs sensors may be going bad.

 

[Regs]

Can the robots build cars faster than the UAW? I would hate to have ford miss out of an opportunity to build more cars that won't sell.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Passions
It's still a Ford, which means it will break down after two years and be worth 30% of original value.

:roll: I own a 2003 Ford F-150 that has not been in the shop for anything other than standard maintenance in the 5 years I have owned it.

same here, but I have a 2002 Taurus.

same here, but I got a 94 ranger.
Although on our 2001 windstar, we have have to replace the ignition coil, the instrument cluster, a pfe sensor, and now we are getting the abs light coming on intemittantly along with the trac control light saying its off and some other brake light. Doesn't seem to affect the braking though. Think maybe one of the abs sensors may be going bad.

Heh we have a 95 Windstar that we bought when they first came out in 94. It has the infamous head gasket eating V6 in it but Ford did step up to the plate and extended the warranty on these out to 100,000 miles and covered 2 engine replacements in it. We have been driving it with the Check Engine light and ABS light lit for years now.

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Passions
It's still a Ford, which means it will break down after two years and be worth 30% of original value.

:roll: I own a 2003 Ford F-150 that has not been in the shop for anything other than standard maintenance in the 5 years I have owned it.

same here, but I have a 2002 Taurus.

same here, but I got a 94 ranger.
Although on our 2001 windstar, we have have to replace the ignition coil, the instrument cluster, a pfe sensor, and now we are getting the abs light coming on intemittantly along with the trac control light saying its off and some other brake light. Doesn't seem to affect the braking though. Think maybe one of the abs sensors may be going bad.

Heh we have a 95 Windstar that we bought when they first came out in 94. It has the infamous head gasket eating V6 in it but Ford did step up to the plate and extended the warranty on these out to 100,000 miles and covered 2 engine replacements in it. We have been driving it with the Check Engine light and ABS light lit for years now.

Same here, 98 Windstar that's just 10 this year. Had problems with the roof rusting through and the ceiling inside leaking whenever it rained, and a crappy facotry battery but it's been good ever since. It's daily driven, Canadian winters and soon will be used for ski taxi once the season opens up again.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
It can't be advanced in the USA because of the UAW.

yep

Yep.

actually several new assembly plants are being built in the USA right now, just in the south instead of in Detroit. My home city of Chattanooga just won a billion+ assembly plant for VW, and last year Toyota announced a new multibillion dollar plant in Alabama that's going to make Priuses.

They don't use UAW workers.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Passions
It's still a Ford, which means it will break down after two years and be worth 30% of original value.

while i agree with you for their american models, their products overseas are very well respected apparently

I'm sorry, I don't agree. I've not had a single problem with my 6.5 year old Ranger. Nor has anyone I've known who had a Ford since the early 80s described an abnormal number of problems. They're not luxury vehicles, but they certainly don't deserve the reputation they seem to have around here.

 

[*kjm]

"Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: Passions
It's still a Ford, which means it will break down after two years and be worth 30% of original value.

I own a 2003 Ford F-150 that has not been in the shop for anything other than standard maintenance in the 5 years I have owned it.

same here, but I have a 2002 Taurus."

Hate to tell you but I a guy at work has a car from the plant in the link that through a cluch at 2,200 miles (not coverd) and I have a 2002 F150 with 53,000 that droped a trany (HD trany) and my wifes 2003 Taurus dropped her trany at 62,000.... My brother bought Chevey and has had God knows how many problems with his and my dad is a Dodge man on his 3rd trany. Dad, brother, and me all own 1500 trucks.
We are all looking at Toyota for our next trucks and cars.... guy at work may look at a used Honda. They are in sad shape of late. Yes American workers may want more money but what do we loose in quality control by going over our borders?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
And if you build it in Southern mexico suddenly the cost of production goes through the roof because of freight charges.

Yet Ford, Chrylser and GM are building more and more vehicles there and looking at building more plants there (Ford especially) every day.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Regs
Can the robots build cars faster than the UAW? I would hate to have ford miss out of an opportunity to build more cars that won't sell.

Don't know, but they (robots) are cheaper and don't take as many breaks!

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Regs
Can the robots build cars faster than the UAW? I would hate to have ford miss out of an opportunity to build more cars that won't sell.

Don't know, but they (robots) are cheaper and don't take as many breaks!

But robots don't care.... if they get a bad run of 5,000 would said company call them back???

I think they were built better back here but wages and benifits were out of control.... that and state taxes on the company's.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: *kjm

But robots don't care.... if they get a bad run of 5,000 would said company call them back???

I don't underatand your question?

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: *kjm

But robots don't care.... if they get a bad run of 5,000 would said company call them back???

I don't underatand your question?

If they get a bad run.... bad design would the company call them back? Engineer my F-150 from 2002 has bad heads on it because the heads were designed to thin but they will not admit to it but the spark plugs only have 3 threads to seat in and they blow out a lot of the time.... it is a known problem but not a recall.

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
It can't be advanced in the USA because of the UAW.

yep

Yep.

actually several new assembly plants are being built in the USA right now, just in the south instead of in Detroit. My home city of Chattanooga just won a billion+ assembly plant for VW, and last year Toyota announced a new multibillion dollar plant in Alabama that's going to make Priuses.

They don't use UAW workers.

yeah, that's my point....