FORD EXECUTIVES KNEW THEY WERE KILLING PEOPLE, WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN GIVEN THE DEATH SENTENCE?

[WATERBUFFALO]

I'm sad to see that this Forum is being financed by Ford in order to spread propoganda of how Ford is innocent of first degree murder.

This situation is nothing new for Ford. They previously murdered hundreds of people in the most hidious manner with a vehicle named the Pinto. The Pinto had a major problem. The gas tank would erupt and splash gasoline on the passengers if struck from the rear. What made this significant was that if the vehicle was struck from the rear while the brake was on, the gasoline would become ignited and the passengers would die one of the most horrible deaths imaginable.

Since most vehicles are struck from the rear when they are in the process of stopping, hundreds of people were burned alive in their cars. Ford's bean counters took out their calculators and figured out which would be cheaper, to fix the problem or pay the claims on the people who were burned alive. They determined that it would be cheaper to murder people, so they continued doing so until they got caught.

Here they are, doing the same thing again. Anyone familiar with automobiles knows that tires on a truck need more pressure than 26 pounds.

People would still be dying if an insurance company that was not owned on whole or part by Ford hadn't spotted the pattern of people being killed by tires disintegrating ON THE SAME TYPE OF VEHICLES and made the information public.

As long as this Forum stays in bed with Ford, it is contributing to the slaughter, and the attempted cover up.

 

[Jason Clark]

Water, I'm not sure if you are aware but ad companies run the ads not individual sites, so those are the people to go and lodge complaints to.

 

[Gorgonzola]

i've never seen someone take a banner ad so seriously

 

[Pepsi90919]

Bwaaaaaahahahaha @ WATERBUFFALO

 

[Gloaras]

hehehe.. what's next you won't eat anything because your are killing living organism... Before you start accusing people of 1st degree murder get all the facts and put yourself in their shoes.. not for one minute but for a while.......

 

[KarsinTheHutt]

Lets not jump to conclusions just yet...

btw - does AnandTech run Ford advertising? I always see an HP banner at the top.

 

[WATERBUFFALO]

Gloaras,

you are so typical of the street scum who sit back and criticize people who know exactly what they are talking about, but you don't want to believe it.

put myself in their shoes? why don't you put yourself in hitler's shoes and preace about what a nice guy he was because he liked dogs?

where do you get your stupid cliches, from your parents? of course, you are a republican because your daddy was. i hope someone close to you is killed horribly by the money hungry machines that will ultimately destroy us all if we don't stop them. we'll see how loyal you are to them then.

"You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." - Bob Dylan

 

[Jason Clark]

First off AnandTech doesnt endorse any of them, nor do we have any choice what so ever what the ad companies serve up. They make their own campaigns and serve them.

 

[Zorba]

First off, it was NOT first degree murder, it was negligence. If it went to trial it would be no greater than third degree murder (involuntary man slaughter) . Also Firestone was at fault, not Ford. Ford makes cars, not tires.

Second, bitch to Ford/Firestone or to the DOJ about it, not AnandTech.

 

[konichiwa]

Wow, at first I thought you were kidding and then I realized you weren't, and...whoa.

 

[Russ]

<< i hope someone close to you is killed horribly by the money hungry machines >>



Nice.

Russ, NCNE

 

[WATERBUFFALO]

Zorba says, &quot;Ford makes cars, not tires.&quot;

It's hard to believe how ignorant people are, and how willing they are to display it. You may want to **read** newspapers like the New York Times or listen to the public broadcast news, which are a few of the things that Ford and the other major corporations don't own. Who do you think owns NBC, CBS, ABC and the other major networks?

Would you be surprised to know that the major oil companies have major holdings in the auto companies and vice-versa? Or do you think the fact that our cars guzzle so much gas because they need to?

Did you know that a vehicle capable of 96 miles per gallon has not been able to be sold in this country for the last 7 years because of the muscle the oil and auto companies have here?

The reality of this recent fiasco is that Ford's bean counters didn't want to correct a major engineering flaw that existed in their rush to get sales on their most profitable vehicle. The engineers were ordered to find a &quot;quick fix&quot; and decided that underinflating the tires would prevent it from rolling over so easy, that's why the tires were underinflated. Firestone, although making a third rate product, never intended them to be used that way. Underinflated tires become much hotter when they are driven on than properly inflated tires. To compound the tire overheating from underinflation, the heat in the southern states and during the summer caused the tires to become so hot they would literally fall apart. Ford and Firestone continued marketing the defective products because it was cheaper to settle the lawsuits than correct a major engineering problem. But this is nothing new for Ford, and **they** were the ones installing *known* defective tires on their vehicles. They thought they had a patsy to blame it all on if the sh*t hit the fan, but it didn't work.

Firestone is a Japanese corporation, so killing Americans is easy for them. They still remember how we dropped nuclear bombs on their people. But Ford owes everything they are to this country, and they have been knowingly killing people for money. That is premeditated murder, commonly known as first degree murder, and the only people who seem to give a damn are those who are affected. What a sick bunch the American public is. They let their neighbor get murdered so they can keep their jobs and lifestyles because they haven't got the guts to make the decision that they will not be a party to this injustice.

Zorba's other statement &quot;Second, bitch to Ford/Firestone or to the DOJ about it, not AnandTech.&quot; Who the hell are you to tell me when and where I express my point of view? If you don't like what I say, then ignore it. Don't appoint yourself G-d and start making up rules. You, Zorba, are part of the problem. It's ignorant people like yourself that want to censor anything that exposes the truth if it doesn't make them feel warm and fuzzy. As far as I know, this part of the forum is the only approprite place on the site where I can say what I please.

As far as AnandTech not having any control over what is seen on their site, I have to disagree. AnandTech seems to have considerable control of the site, which is demonstrated when they stop people from doing such things as promoting criminal acts on their site. As far as I can see, they have the authority to regulate what is seen on their site if they choose to. Thus, allowing criminals to spread malicious propoganda for a price is also something they have control over. I doubt that AnandTech thought this out, so I have decided that it is only fair for me to bring it to their attention.

 

[Zorba]

Water: Back off a bit. And please read all this message.

&quot;Would you be surprised to know that the major oil companies have major holdings in the auto companies and vice-versa?&quot;
Who doesn't know this? We all know why are cars suck gas and way no company has really pushed for anything else. It is the same reason why we aren't running more nuclear power plants (In this case, oil companies made the public hate the idea of nuclear power).

Firestone had the power to recall the tires at any point in time, yet did not. Ford is responsible for putting them on the cars, but I still feel that Firestone holds most of the blame.

&quot;That is premeditated murder, commonly known as first degree murder&quot;

You must intend to kill someone for it to be first degree. Also Ford didn't sit down and say &quot;Lets go kill 101 people by making their tires explode,&quot; therefore it wasn't really premeditated.

&quot;Who the hell are you to tell me when and where I express my point of view?&quot;

My point was, it will do no good for anyone for you to talk about it here. Those were three were organizations that could actually do something. That being said, I would actually support you if you went to the DOJ, etc about how you feel.

&quot;want to censor anything&quot;

I don't want to censor anything at all, I believe there is far to much censoring in the world. In this case I feel like you are putting a lot of the blame in the wrong place. But that doesn't mean I don't think you shouldn't say it, I just feel you should say it to the right people.

&quot;this part of the forum is the only appropriate place on the site where I can say what I please&quot;

This should've been posted in OT. It probably would've had better replies/support in that forum.

I think that AnandTech's power over there ads only goes as far as sending an e-mail to the Ad company asking them to remove an ad. The ad company has the final say though. You should send them your complaints in an e-mail.


Final note: I have nothing against what you are saying. I just think you should take it to the people that can do something about it.

PS: Have you heard that there are now three (I think) other Firestone tires the DOJ is looking at (they think they've killed some people). Just these tires are on Fords and GMs.

 

[Windogg]

I thing WB has been taking too many bong hits when listening to Bob Dylan. Starting to sound like him too.

Windogg

 

[WATERBUFFALO]

OK Zorba,

Your clarification was appreciated. However, I have to disagree with your statement &quot;You must intend to kill someone for it to be first degree. Also Ford didn't sit down and say &quot;Lets go kill 101 people by making their tires explode,&quot; therefore it wasn't really premeditated.&quot; because once the company was aware of the problem, they had a choice as to repair it or not. The decision to just pay off the lawsuits instead of fixing the problem because it was cheaper, knowing full well it would cost peoples lives places the deaths as premeditated because they knew in advance people would die by inaction. Lyars, I mean lawyers, can reduce this down to a number of crimes, such as depraved indifference, but I think if this were put before a jury of impartial people, they would call it murder.

It's really sick how companies can get away with murdering innocent citizens and because they have so much control of the government, they don't have to answer for their crimes. A company in Seattle had put an underground pipe from their plant into Puget Sound, and dumped carcinogens into the Sound until people were dying from eating the shellfish. When they finally got caught, the president of the company got 6 months in jail **only on weekends** so he could keep running the company. As Richard Pryor said, &quot;When you go down there looking for justice that's what you find, *just us*.

 

[chess9]

WaterBuffalo:

Ford makes pretty good products but they obviously failed to get on top of this problem quickly enough. Their problems in South America, which have been ongoing for over a year, should have alerted them that a recall was necessary. So, yes, I do blame Ford in part.

But, to say they are killers is really over the top. They have been negligent, but anyone can be negligent. I'm sure you've been negligent if you ever caused an accident, or hit your brother with a golf club or hockey stick. We wouldn't call you a killer, would we?

Also, if you think about it, the legal fees, bad publicity, and jury verdicts are going to be much more expensive than if they had replaced the tires earlier. I would like to think the sound business decision would have been to replace the tires, had they understood the magnitude of the problem.

Firestone, though, is primarily negligent. I am not going to buy ANY of their products henceforth. They might as well retire (no pun intended) the brand, because I believe it is now worthless. I would not be surprised to see the company sold to Goodyear or Michelin, or some other tire maker. Good riddance to lousy management.

 

[Ornery]

This story is on &quot;60 Minutes&quot; right now.

Actually, the Explorer must be inherently unsafe. Since when can a person not control a car with a blow-out? I've had a couple pretty high speed blow-outs (I run my tires to the bitter end) and it was nothing to speak of control wise. I wonder if all SUVs have this issue?

No matter what tire you're running, you could always have a blow-out.

 

[Pacfanweb]

<<Here they are, doing the same thing again. Anyone familiar with automobiles knows that tires on a truck need more pressure than 26 pounds.>>

Evidently, somebody who knows a heck of a lot more than you decided what the tire pressure should be. Explorers also are made with Goodyear Wrangler RT/S tires and they DON'T come apart when run at 26-30 psi.
Owner negligence of the tires is the primary problem. I work at a top-3 Ford dealer, and we haven't seen one single Firestone tire come back to us with a defect. We've had a few people bring us tires that blew out, and we've found either severe wear, punctures, and improper repairs (crappy plugs) on every one of them.
Everything I have read indicates that all of the reasons I just listed are the cause of the majority of the tire problems people have had.
That being said, I still think Firestone is going to get hit even harder than they have already. Since the news media has gotten hold of the story and scared everyone to death, Firestone has no chance to keep this thing from snowballing even further.
Example: when the recall was first announced, we had numerous TV crews come to our service dept. to get the info from us first-hand. We told them exactly what tires the recall affected: One size-235-75-15, All Firestone Radial ATX, Radial ATX II; and only the Wilderness AT's made in Decatur, Il.
What did they report? Every single channel said all Wilderness A/T's, and all Radial ATX's. No mention of size or place of manufacture. It too 2 weeks for all the local news shows to get it right.
There is a problem with these tires when run either at too low a pressure or in hot climates at high speeds. That a fact, but the reality is, Firestone, and possibly Ford are going to get hit and hit hard because of the sensationalism by the media.

 

[jaygee]

They were exonerated by the &quot;We don't type in all Caps&quot; clause.

 

[lsd]

<< . What a sick bunch the American public is >>




You belong on an island by yourslef.

 

[WATERBUFFALO]

Chess 9,

There is physical evidence that Ford was made aware of this problem over THREE YEARS AGO. You are right that Firestone made the tires, but Ford knew they were defective the way they are being used. They have absolutely NO excuse for not acting until an insurance company they had no control over made all this public so that the insurance industry would be able to cut down their losses. If I were to put potassium cyanide in your food and you died, who would be responsible? Would it be the manufacturer of the poison?

Everyone believes what they want to believe, even when confronted with blatant evidence to the contrary. There are still people who believe that Oswald acted alone in the assassination of Kennedy, and believe that anyone who thinks otherwise is a communist. All I can tell you is that what I have stated I know to be the truth, and you can choose to believe it or not, I'm tired of arguing about it. Pacfanweb is a perfect example of a person wanting to believe that the company that they work for can't do anything wrong, and will try to find some pathetic excuse for the company so they can believe that they are not a party to the slaughter.

The bottom line is that *most* people don't give a sh*t about anything until/unless it affects them, and that they would rather hear a good joke than to be confronted with reality that might make them feel guilty for not doing something about it. That is why this country is ultimately doomed to failure, regardless of what you want to believe. We are following the Roman playbook, and are going down the same road, only it will happen within decades instead of centuries.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm sure it must be the government's fault. There must be too much regulation. Responsible corporate types don't make these kinds of choices when left alone.

 

[jhu]

no moonbeam, it's your fault entirely. btw, i gave sf your address. try not to sodomize him.

 

[brandc]

<< We are following the Roman playbook... >>


Circenses et panem, brute?

 

[chess9]

Moonbeam:

GeeW has a solution. Just trust him. He'll get Cheney on it and they'll have the mess cleaned up. It's the media's fault of course. And those idiots who let their air pressure get two pounds too low. God forbid a tire should lose air.

Ornery: I don't like SUVs for a variety of reasons, but I doubt it's the Explorer. I think Firestone made quite a few defective tires, and I'll bet when all is said and done that will be the final verdict. Sure, SUVs can roll over easier than my wagon, but that's a given for all of them. Why aren't all the other SUVs having the problem?