Forbes exposes the great pizza lie.

[PokerGuy]

do I pay the father more than the students, even though they're all doing the same job?

What you pay someone should not have anything to do with their personal circumstance. You pay for them to do a certain job, and you pay them based based on their performance and the value of their contribution. Anything else is illogical.

 

[waggy]

Would you classify a person who has limited intelligence but works their ass off to provide for their family in this generalized boat?

depends. are they lazy and didn't want to work at school?

I'm not the smartest person around. but fuck i work my ass off. school, sports and business i worked my ass off. was I a A student? no, but i worked and studied to get a solid B and nearly A GPA.

I worked my ass off starting a business (also worked for others to offset cost). I put in many hours working. why? i wanted a nice house, cars, and land (wanted 20+ acres..couldn't find it in the school area we wanted). I wanted to give my kids what i didn't have. To make sure they were in the SAME school until college. We moved so much i rarely started and finished in the same school in the year.


disabled? that is a different discussion.

 

[nehalem256]

Would you classify a person who has limited intelligence but works their ass off to provide for their family in this generalized boat?

Working a minimum wage job it is impossible to provide for a family. This is a fact.

So the whole premise of your question is flawed. If you are only capable of working a minimum wage law you are expecting other people to support your family.

 

[waggy]

What you pay someone should not have anything to do with their personal circumstance. You pay for them to do a certain job, and you pay them based based on their performance and the value of their contribution. Anything else is illogical.

i disagree. i have always paid more depending on personal circumstance. i admit i paid kids living at home less then person with kids. Also gave them more "fuckups".

 

[Ausm]

Working a minimum wage job it is impossible to provide for a family. This is a fact.

So the whole premise of your question is flawed. If you are only capable of working a minimum wage law you are expecting other people to support your family.

Please show the data where no one who makes minimum wage works to support their family then you might have something...Please SHOW THE DATA.

 

[nehalem256]

Please show the data where no one who makes minimum wage works to support their family then you might have something...Please SHOW THE DATA.

Obviously they are working to support their family.

But they are incapable of completely supporting their family off their minimum wage job. And you know it.

 

[Ausm]

depends. are they lazy and didn't want to work at school?

I'm not the smartest person around. but fuck i work my ass off. school, sports and business i worked my ass off. was I a A student? no, but i worked and studied to get a solid B and nearly A GPA.

I worked my ass off starting a business (also worked for others to offset cost). I put in many hours working. why? i wanted a nice house, cars, and land (wanted 20+ acres..couldn't find it in the school area we wanted). I wanted to give my kids what i didn't have. To make sure they were in the SAME school until college. We moved so much i rarely started and finished in the same school in the year.


disabled? that is a different discussion.

SO in your world someone with limited intelligence would fall under these two categories?

 

[Ausm]

Obviously they are working to support their family.

But they are incapable of completely supporting their family off their minimum wage job. And you know it.

Then why do Rightists want to abolish the minimum wage if you understand this fact?

 

[nehalem256]

SO in your world someone with limited intelligence would fall under these two categories?

Lets make this simple for you

If supporting a family takes $X and you are of such limited intelligence you cannot earn $X what should be done?

 

[nehalem256]

Then why do Rightists want to abolish the minimum wage if you understand this fact?

Because the purpose of the minimum wage is not to establish a wage at which you can support a family of 4.

I have previously argued in favor the minimum wage and making it equal to the wage necessary to support an individual.

 

[waggy]

SO in your world someone with limited intelligence would fall under these two categories?

again depends on how fucking lazy they are. I have seen even the dumbest people get better jobs then a PIZZA joint.

i have yet to meet anyone who is so stupid they can't do construction, garbage collection, etc etc. Now i have seen people who are to lazy to do jobs that pay far better but require more effort.

when you are stuck in a job like fast food as a way to support your family you really need to look at the choices you made in life and how much you are willing to work to get what you want.

 

[waggy]

Lets make this simple for you

If supporting a family takes $X and you are of such limited intelligence you cannot earn $X what should be done?

again intelligence really has nothing to do with it. This is all about how much effort a person wants to put in to survive.

do they wan't to work hard? or do they wan't to get a easy job and live off welfare, food stamps etc?

 

[Ausm]

]Because the purpose of the minimum wage is not to establish a wage at which you can support a family of 4.[/B]

I have previously argued in favor the minimum wage and making it equal to the wage necessary to support an individual.

Were is this in writing?

 

[Ausm]

again intelligence really has nothing to do with it. This is all about how much effort a person wants to put in to survive.

do they wan't to work hard? or do they wan't to get a easy job and live off welfare, food stamps etc?

You do realize most people on food stamps also work don't you?

 

[Ausm]

Lets make this simple for you

If supporting a family takes $X and you are of such limited intelligence you cannot earn $X what should be done?

LMAO

 

[Exterous]

Then why do Rightists want to abolish the minimum wage if you understand this fact?

Not all righties want it abolished but many people realize that only a small minority of workers are trying to support a family on minimum wage. This is not an argument for getting rid of it but an argument on increasing it to and beyond a 'living wage' (whatever that is)

 

[waggy]

You do realize most people on food stamps also work don't you?

where did i say differently? IF they don't wan't to be on food stamps (this is the real issue..) and they are not making enough with the job they have they should get another part time job.

 

[actuarial]

I have previously argued in favor the minimum wage and making it equal to the wage necessary to support an individual.

You mean two individuals, right? Otherwise the market will be flooded with women which will further depress wages.

 

[actuarial]

where did i say differently? IF they don't wan't to be on food stamps (this is the real issue..) and they are not making enough with the job they have they should get another part time job.

Does the job market have the capacity for the extra manpower required?

I'm not disagreeing with you in principle, but I wonder if it would work in practice.

 

[nehalem256]

Were is this in writing?

Minimum wage should be based on a formula of that necessary to support a single person

take 125% of federal poverty line * 35hr/week * 50week/yr

Results in ~$8

You do realize most people on food stamps also work don't you?

And this matters why?

 

[nehalem256]

You mean two individuals, right? Otherwise the market will be flooded with women which will further depress wages.

It is not necessary for all women to exit the workforce in order to restore the workforce participation rate to that in the 1960s.

 

[Ausm]

Minimum wage should be based on a formula of that necessary to support a single person

take 125% of federal poverty line * 35hr/week * 50week/yr

Results in ~$8



And this matters why?

Seriously on both posts.....

 

[waggy]

Does the job market have the capacity for the extra manpower required?

I'm not disagreeing with you in principle, but I wonder if it would work in practice.

I was reading a report that there are many jobs available. We have a shortage (or upcoming shortage) of plumbers, electricians and construction workers.

We as a nation went from respecting physical hard jobs to demonizing them. today its EVERYONE has to go to college. Not every person is college martial. not that they aren't bright but some aren't the type to sit in a office and push papers.

but then again that goes back to it seems less are willing to do such physical jobs

edit: also the nation needs to crack down on shipping jobs over seas. Lets bring back manufacturing items back to the US.

 

[Moonbeam]

All I know is that I will never buy a Papa John's pizza for as long as I live.

 

[actuarial]

I was reading a report that there are many jobs available. We have a shortage (or upcoming shortage) of plumbers, electricians and construction workers.

We as a nation went from respecting physical hard jobs to demonizing them. today its EVERYONE has to go to college. Not every person is college martial. not that they aren't bright but some aren't the type to sit in a office and push papers.

I agree with you on the trades, but I think there's still enough people willing to work whatever is available that 8% (or whatever it is) unemployment isn't due to people unwilling to do manual labour.

If the capacity existed for large numbers of people to work extra shifts shouldn't unemployment/underemployment numbers be much lower?