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Forbes exposes the great pizza lie.

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Some of these wealthy people really annoy the shit out of me, belly aching and whining over this Firstworld issue.

I make a substantial amount of money every year in the derivatives market and I expect to pay more taxes next year due to Obama but I am not whining/Crying about it because in the end the impact is minimal. I do not want this country to end up like India or Brazil.
Seriously some of these people just need to STFU there is a cost to living in a free country where you can enjoy the fruits of democracy. If you want to pay no taxes you can go live in Nigeria or some other third world banana republic.
 
Hugo Drax said:
Seriously some of these people just need to STFU there is a cost to living in a free country where you can enjoy the fruits of democracy.
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You're not "free" if you have to pay taxes, idiot.

You're not "free" if you can't smoke or ingest whatever you want, schmuck.

The only real freedom you have is to do as you're told.

LOL, "fruits of democracy". What a goofy thing to say.
 
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My question is this.

With so many companies saying they will post Obamacare surcharges on their receipts and the charges are higher than the actual Obamacare charges, will these companies be charged by the IRS for fraud?


Fern said:
The IRS would have nothing to do with it.

They are only concerned with administering the fed govt revenue system(s). How companies set their prices or public claims they make about the cost of Obamacare is of no interest to them.

Fern
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They went after and successfully convicted Capone.
 
The only lies are in thinking free lunches exist or that healthcare is in the cure business, not the disease business. Therefore free healthcare is especially worthless to anyone placing their precious lives in others' greedy hands.
 
Juror No. 8 said:
You're not "free" if you have to pay taxes, idiot.

You're not "free" if you can't smoke or ingest whatever you want, schmuck.

The only real freedom you have is to do as you're told.

LOL, "fruits of democracy". What a goofy thing to say.
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So where does this Libertopia exist where I can be totally free to do what I want and pay nothing into it? What a deal, what can go wrong?
 
waggy said:
they want more pay get a real job? to be honest working in a pizza parlor is for teens/college kids. who hopefully are learning a real trade.

these are unskilled positions. right over min wage is right pay for them. Anyone who is working one as job to support a family has failed life.

A business owner is in it to make profit. EVERY one set's out to make insane profits.

it's the reason we put up with the stress, risk, and hours.
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How perfectly elitist of you.
 
Bitek said:
How perfectly elitist of you.
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not at all. I just believe that barring a health issue you are the master of your fate. You want to work hard in school oh hell in life you will be more successful.

if you wan't to be a lazy shit you end up working shit jobs and on welfare.


As i said before i'm not the smartest person here. I am a damn hard worker and took advantage of every opportunity i could.
 
Emos said:
So where does this Libertopia exist where I can be totally free to do what I want and pay nothing into it? What a deal, what can go wrong?
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Parasites like you are what can go wrong. You can't help but force yourself on others, so a truly free country is always an uphill battle.
 
techs said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...care_n_2123207.html?utm_hp_ref=money&ir=Money

http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebme...lionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/

Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.

He estimates that Obamacare will end up costing his company $5-8 million annually.

In September, the company announced that it would be giving away 2 million free pizzas. That was, of course, a promotion designed to increase brand awareness and to invite consumers to try the brand — with the ultimate goal of selling more pizzas. Those giveaways can’t really be cataloged alongside sales that would have been made otherwise. But just in case you’re curious, that would be the equivalent of $24 million to $32 million in pizza revenue.

Cliffs:

Obamacare will cost substantially less than Papa Johns CEO has claimed.

Its about 4 cents on average per pie. Yes FOUR FREAKING CENTS.

That's a yearly cost to Papa Johns of 5-8 million dollars. Their free pizza giveaway costs 24 to 32 millon dollars.

Forbes is not left wing magazine. It as right wing capitalist as they come.
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The way it is stated, it seems the $5-8 million is the CEO's estimate.
 
All of the insured among us are already paying for the health care of the uninsured through higher fees for health care services and higher insurance premiums. So anyone claiming that ACA is shifting costs is just lying. What ACA does is make explicit the costs of covering the currently uninsured.

And let's not forget that because the insurance pool is widened significantly, premiums SHOULD be lower under ACA than they would be if ACA didn't exist. That's not saying that premiums won't continue to increase - of course they will, just as they've been increasing in the pre-ACA world. But ACA should slow down cost increases.

The next step must be to figure out ways to reduce health care costs in the U.S. to the levels seen in other first-world countries.
 
shira said:
The next step must be to figure out ways to reduce health care costs in the U.S. to the levels seen in other first-world countries.
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One reason health care in general costs so much are because of questions like these that my doctor asked me when writing a prescription. "Do you have insurance?" When it was somebody else's money he was going to write a script for a top tier antibiotic but if I was paying I was going to get a free one from Meijer (regional walmart type store). I told him that my insurance status was irrelevant and I wanted the best (because I can afford it).

Whenever people are spending other people's money the market can't work.
 
The dirty little secret about Obamacare is that people are still going to go without insurance. They are still going to go into emergency rooms to get health care and not pay the bills.

What Obamacare is going to do is create millions of "tax cheats" as people are going to ignore the mandate and try to get out of the "fees" or "fines" ie. taxes associated with not having insurance.
 
buckshot24 said:
The dirty little secret about Obamacare is that people are still going to go without insurance. They are still going to go into emergency rooms to get health care and not pay the bills.

What Obamacare is going to do is create millions of "tax cheats" as people are going to ignore the mandate and try to get out of the "fees" or "fines" ie. taxes associated with not having insurance.
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They can join the millions of Rightists and Corporations who offshore their cash for the sole reason of tax evasion. Guess which one will get busted first? 😀
 
buckshot24 said:
The dirty little secret about Obamacare is that people are still going to go without insurance. They are still going to go into emergency rooms to get health care and not pay the bills.
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Of course there are still going to be people without insurance. No one has ever claimed that the ACA would reduce the percentage of the uninsured to 0. But the consensus estimate is that 30+ million people who currently don't have health insurance will get covered under ACA.

What Obamacare is going to do is create millions of "tax cheats" as people are going to ignore the mandate and try to get out of the "fees" or "fines" ie. taxes associated with not having insurance.
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So the net effect of the ACA is that 30+ million more Americans will be covered by insurance, millions more will pay a tax penalty for not getting insurance, and some unknown number of people will find a way to remain uninsured without paying the penalty - people who currently are not insured and who currently pay no penalty (in other words, some unknown number of people will find a way to continue as they currently are). And you think this overall result is horrible?
 
There is nothing holding back health care costs. There is every indication that costs are simply spiraling out of control. It is an exponential function. Health care expenses completely devour our entire budget if you project the numbers out. Very simple math. This government has shown that it is in the pockets of the drug cartels (may as well call big pharma what it is). And the people have re-elected that corrupt government. So the flood gates could totally break open now. Forget 20% inflation in health care, we could easily hit 40, 50, 100%, even 500% inflation in health care. It CAN happen. The dumbed down sheeple who voted for this corrupt government which passes such corrupt legislation will probably thank them for it too.
 
Juror No. 8 said:
Parasites like you are what can go wrong. You can't help but force yourself on others, so a truly free country is always an uphill battle.
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I notice you made no attempt whatsoever to answer his question. Is it maybe because you're pretty transparently full of shit, that any adult with at least a room temperature IQ understands that there are bills that must be paid in order to enjoy all the amazing benefits of a first-world county? Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and become "free" in a low-tax utopia ... like Guatemala? No? Enjoying your lavish life style too much, you know like clean water, safe food, Internet access, etc.? Perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to call others "idiot" and "schmuck".
 
shira said:
All of the insured among us are already paying for the health care of the uninsured through higher fees for health care services and higher insurance premiums. So anyone claiming that ACA is shifting costs is just lying. What ACA does is make explicit the costs of covering the currently uninsured.

And let's not forget that because the insurance pool is widened significantly, premiums SHOULD be lower under ACA than they would be if ACA didn't exist. That's not saying that premiums won't continue to increase - of course they will, just as they've been increasing in the pre-ACA world. But ACA should slow down cost increases.

The next step must be to figure out ways to reduce health care costs in the U.S. to the levels seen in other first-world countries.
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Have premiums been lowered over the past couple of years?
 
Juror No. 8 said:
Parasites like you are what can go wrong. You can't help but force yourself on others, so a truly free country is always an uphill battle.
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I have a job, am self sufficient and pay my taxes asshole. I believe in *gasp the horror* that I benefited from the infrastructure of my country and believe in keeping it up...ie I did not build it all myself.

EDIT: wow the first time I let teh intarweb influence my emotions on this forum 😛 sorry ,bout the cussin' but you get my drift...
 
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Ausm said:
They can join the millions of Rightists and Corporations who offshore their cash for the sole reason of tax evasion. Guess which one will get busted first? 😀
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There are no penalties other than a fine for not having the insurance.
And there is no teeth in forcing the fine to be paid.
 
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