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For those who think NASCAR is not hard nor a sport

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Originally posted by: LAUST
Originally posted by: Czar
posted a few days ago, with 10-6 list
nascar is probably one of the easiest racing types, try formula 1, now that is hard

edt. wow, thats a reaaaaly crappy list
Don't put things in the form of a fact unless you have ATLEAST done them personally
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then I guess we cant discuss this matter at all, doubt anyone here has taken part in either of those races 😉
 
Originally posted by: ndee
Hands down, Rally takes it all when it comes down to racing.
It is certainly unique in racing. Run in all manner of conditions and weather and you're flying blind except for the info your codriver is feeding you.....no running laps to learn the course in rally.

And of course there's that whole "100+ mph on dirt roads" thing. 😛

 
It's a sport. Just a very very boring one. Rally, F1, etc. those are real car sports. Nascar is lame, but I guess if you're a dumb fat redneck it's all you can understand.
 
nascar is barely even driving. on the average track you need not shift going around the track as fast as you can.

the other thing about auto racing is, how do we know these guys are even the best at it? football, baseball, basketball, millions of kids around the world have access to them at an early age, so the guys that come out of high school and college are pretty much the cream of the crop. how many kids have access to competitive driving? not near so many.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's a sport. Just a very very boring one. Rally, F1, etc. those are real car sports. Nascar is lame, but I guess if you're a dumb fat redneck it's all you can understand.

OUCH.......What makes rally or F1 any different?
 
Originally posted by: tarheelmm
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's a sport. Just a very very boring one. Rally, F1, etc. those are real car sports. Nascar is lame, but I guess if you're a dumb fat redneck it's all you can understand.

OUCH.......What makes rally or F1 any different?
Corners and lots of them. Some Nascar races you may have only a few corners and I'm expected to sit there and watch as all these cars take the same corners in the exact same predictable manner everytime? My God, I'd rather watch submarine races.
 
Originally posted by: tarheelmm
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's a sport. Just a very very boring one. Rally, F1, etc. those are real car sports. Nascar is lame, but I guess if you're a dumb fat redneck it's all you can understand.

OUCH.......What makes rally or F1 any different?

they shift
 
Originally posted by: tarheelmm
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's a sport. Just a very very boring one. Rally, F1, etc. those are real car sports. Nascar is lame, but I guess if you're a dumb fat redneck it's all you can understand.

OUCH.......What makes rally or F1 any different?

I wouldn't say people can drive nascar while they're asleep... 😀 it's still hard to some degree... i'm sure it isn't as boring for the people driving those things. but i do like F1 and WRC more... this country is just obsessed with seeing countless overtaking even if they are pointless until the last 10 laps. The split between CART and IRL is because of this "i wanna see some more passing" attitude. Pleease... 😛
 
Their cars also suck dick. I mean you take F1 that car is tweaked to be the best car on the planet in that environment. Same for rally, but with nascar you have these hulking behemoths. 5 million pounds of metal going around a track.
 
I'd say the split between CART and IRL was more about engine manufacturers in CART having too much control which was ultimately not in the sport's best interest.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
nascar is barely even driving. on the average track you need not shift going around the track as fast as you can.
You're forgetting that they're doing close to 200mph, are inches from each other, and on the very edge of traction in every corner. It may look simple from an observer's standpoint, but it's not. The speed factor alone is hugely intimidating; I've done about 140 on my motorcycle before and I cannot conceive of tacking 50 or 60 mph onto that. Additionally, there are a few road courses they compete on during the year. Watch the cameras they have showing the driver's footwork and then come back and tell me these guys can't drive. They can heel-toe and left-foot-brake just as well as any rally guy, belive me. You're just making the typical mistake of confusing the racing with the fans.

the other thing about auto racing is, how do we know these guys are even the best at it? football, baseball, basketball, millions of kids around the world have access to them at an early age, so the guys that come out of high school and college are pretty much the cream of the crop. how many kids have access to competitive driving? not near so many.
Ever been to rural NC? There are small tracks EVERYWHERE and lots and lots of kids competing at a very young age. It's just as hard for these guys to get a pro ride as it is for Joe Minor Leaguer to get a spot on the Yankees roster. Sure, there are fewer kids overall driving than playing baseball, but then again, there are only 40ish guys on the nascar circuit.

 
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
I'd say the split between CART and IRL was more about engine manufacturers in CART having too much control which was ultimately not in the sport's best interest.

I think it's a lot of reasons and that's one of them... 🙁 the INDY 500 is probably the biggest of them all... and the person running CART before Pook came along knew nothing about racing... wish it would all end... but i don't want a series full of ovals either. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: tarheelmm
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's a sport. Just a very very boring one. Rally, F1, etc. those are real car sports. Nascar is lame, but I guess if you're a dumb fat redneck it's all you can understand.

OUCH.......What makes rally or F1 any different?

they shift
No, they punch a button and the car shifts for them. Same with rally. At least nascar guys still have a clutch pedal to deal with.

 
"Their cars also suck dick. I mean you take F1 that car is tweaked to be the best car on the planet in that environment. Same for rally, but with nascar you have these hulking behemoths. 5 million pounds of metal going around a track. "

Would hockey be better if they used carbon fiber sticks with laser sights and a robotic puck that was controlled by engineers in a truck in the parking lot ?


 
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Their cars also suck dick. I mean you take F1 that car is tweaked to be the best car on the planet in that environment. Same for rally, but with nascar you have these hulking behemoths. 5 million pounds of metal going around a track. "

Would hockey be better if they used carbon fiber sticks with laser sights and a robotic puck that was controlled by engineers in a truck in the parking lot ?
Nah I'm just looking for another angle with which to attack I sport I detest so heartily. I mean really it's a difficult thing to argue. Just as some people think that a world class bowler has as much athleticism as a world class quater back, these things are just opinions 😉
 
its funny how some peeps get all worked up over bashing NASCAR

non athletic sport centered around rednecks, nuff said

does sitting in a sauna sweating your balls off count as a sport too? i guess there is no g force, but it's damn hard to sit in there, unless you are "trained for it"
 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: tarheelmm
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's a sport. Just a very very boring one. Rally, F1, etc. those are real car sports. Nascar is lame, but I guess if you're a dumb fat redneck it's all you can understand.

OUCH.......What makes rally or F1 any different?

they shift
No, they punch a button and the car shifts for them. Same with rally. At least nascar guys still have a clutch pedal to deal with.

geat, in the average race a nascar guy will have to pick at gear all of about 5 times during the whole race and thats only when they're coming out of the pits. F1 and rally guys still have to pick the gear (well, except for when a williams guy has his transmission in full auto mode) and they have to do it all the time. and lots of F1 drivers have clutch pedals in their cars.

as for the two times they actually leave ovals during the year: they had to straighten out sears point and watkins glen so that those waddling cars with archaic designs could get around the track in a respectable time.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: tarheelmm
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's a sport. Just a very very boring one. Rally, F1, etc. those are real car sports. Nascar is lame, but I guess if you're a dumb fat redneck it's all you can understand.

OUCH.......What makes rally or F1 any different?

they shift
No, they punch a button and the car shifts for them. Same with rally. At least nascar guys still have a clutch pedal to deal with.

geat, in the average race a nascar guy will have to pick at gear all of about 5 times during the whole race and thats only when they're coming out of the pits. F1 and rally guys still have to pick the gear (well, except for when a williams guy has his transmission in full auto mode) and they have to do it all the time. and lots of F1 drivers have clutch pedals in their cars.

as for the two times they actually leave ovals during the year: they had to straighten out sears point and watkins glen so that those waddling cars with archaic designs could get around the track in a respectable time.



Go to any track under 3/4 of a mile and watch them shift like crazy. They shift in and out of every turn on any track. It is near impossible for them to stay in a corner at full speed. This is also why the right side of the car must be weighted to a minimum of 1600lbs.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
nascar is not racing. It certainly isn't a sport.

that's really all there is to it.
I cannot argue with your superior logic and extensive evidence to support your view.
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Originally posted by: tarheelmm

Go to any track under 3/4 of a mile and watch them shift like crazy. They shift in and out of every turn on any track. It is near impossible for them to stay in a corner at full speed. This is also why the right side of the car must be weighted to a minimum of 1600lbs.

how many winston cup races are on tracks under 3/4 of a mile. note that i said "average"
 
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