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ygreenkitty

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Right. But you might want to take a quick look at the auctions and see if it pays you to sell the transparancy adapter. They are $$$ to buy as an add on.

They dropped the price on the 636U FLATBED Scanner

Yes, Brandsforless.
 

kcobra

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How do you get the $29 from Brandsforless? Buy.com IS NOT listed as one of the participating merchants for the $29 rebate.
 

Gort

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I called Buy.com yesterday to find out why my order hadn't shipped. They said the 1200U was backordered until Nov. So I checked arounded and was going to do the Computers4sure deal(they have a good price on this too). Called Buy.com today to cancel and they said it was shipping today:confused: Go figure. They gave me the free shipping just for my trouble:D Anyways, it appears to be back in stock, but you just might want to call to confirm.



Regards.......Gort
 

subpar

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The Epson Perfection 1200U is a great scanner, no doubt about it. I just wanted to let people know that were interested in buying this printer that it is NOT a true 1200dpi scanner. Epson is very misleading in this regard...which disappoints me as I like their products quite a bit.

The Epson Perfection 1200 uses two 600dpi scanning elements and interpolates the values obtained to derive an "optical" 1200dpi output. While it is true that this method is superior to true 600dpi scanner elements, it is NOT indeed a bona fide 1200dpi scanner as it still requires interpolation to achieve this level of resolution.

Just to let ya know. Still a great scanner.

There are other newer scanners with true 1200dpi optical elements coming out. You might want to check these out.

subpar

Edit: Here is a link to actual scanner tests and more information about this (Click Here).
 

Lore

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Subpar:

D'oh... now I wonder if I should keep it. Is it worth $110 for a "great 600DPI scanner", as the article calls it?
 

zerogear

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So which company & model are true 1200 DPI Scanners? Is CANOSCAN FB 1200SFLATBED one?
 

subpar

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Lore,

The 1200U for $110 is a great price on that scanner (I'd prolly keep it if I got it for that much). 600dpi is enough for scanning printed material for most purposes (unless you are a professional), IMHO. You really need 1200dpi and above when scanning transparencies, 35mm slides, and film to get good resolution (although you are better off with a dedicated slide scanner).

Zerogear,

I know for sure that the Umax Powerlook series uses 1200dpi elements, for one. The Umax Powerlook 1100, for example, quoted from their site employs "a 10,600 element tri-linear CCD", which means that it is a true 1200dpi scanner. It is also quite expensive. The cheaper Umax Astra 4000U might also use a genuine 1200dpi CCD, but I am not sure. The link I listed above indicates that Canon, Agfa, HP, Microtek, and Acer have released 1200dpi scanners, but I'd like to hear confirmation that they are TRUELY 1200dpi and not interpolated like the Epson.

Hope that helps.

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subpar

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Ok, a look at the Canon site indicates that the CanoScan FB 1200S uses a 600dpi CCD imaging element. However, it employs a second pass scanning mechanism in which light is reflected 1/2 a pixel and this data is added to the initial pass, giving the quality of a 1200dpi scanner, according to their literature.

Now whether the quality obtained by this optical work-around is equivalent to a true 1200dpi CCD is another question. I'd like to hear people's experiences on this matter. At a list price of $149, that is darn cheap for a "1200dpi" scanner, though.

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Lore

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subpar: Would I get "subpar" (no pun intended :)) quality with the Epson 1200U when scanning above 600DPI? If so, how is $110 worth it? Wouldn't I be better just getting a cheaper 600dpi one like the 636U or 610?

The fact that it's interpolated bugs me. :(
 

Lore

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They just announced the Epson Perfection 1240U - any idea if this scanner will be true 1200dpi or not?
 

subpar

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Lore,

Unfortunately, I have lost trust with any of Epson's claims of "true optical" 1200 dpi or 1600 dpi scanning. All of their available product literature (on the U.S. site) and press releases indicate that the older 1200U models are true optical 1200 dpi-class scanners, which is simply untrue. It was user hands-on scanning that first uncovered this deception, and was reinforced by a reader who found product information on the Epson Japan site indicating that they were not indeed single CCD optical scanners.

Thus, I will wait for some user reviews on the newer Epson scanners before I decide whether to buy them. They should be good scanners, as previous models indicate. I think that the main thing that they improved was the 42-bit internal color processing; up from 36 bit resolution.

They also have some new printers out, which should be outstanding and inexpensive; I will have to check them out.

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ABErickson

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PC Magazine just had a review of around 8 different scanners, of which the 1200u was one of them. In the reviews, the 36 bit 1200u output beat all of them, of which there were several 42 bit models. 36 bit or 42 bit isn't everything.

Regarding the 1200 dpi output, I wouldn't get hung up on it too much. Unless you are scanning negatives or slides, it isn't very practical to use this high of an output.

 

Lore

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From their UK group:


We use our patented Alternate MatrixCCD(tm), with an On Demand Pixel
Optimiser, in most of our scanners. This uses a staggered array of sensors
to collect information which is then merged into a single line to
effectively double the scanning resolution. This is process is carried out
by the ASIC (Application Specific Integrated Circuit) within the scanner,
reducing the processing load on the PC to allow it to perform other tasks
while data-intensive high-resolution scanning is in progress.
At low resolutions, the On Demand Pixel Optimiser allows ultra high speed
scanning by only utilising one line of pixels, which reduces the time taken
to read the colour information as the head moves down the scanning bed.
We believe our system excels due to the increased speeds at which our
scanners can work and still provide the utmost in image quality.
To confirm: The 1240U Series uses the MatrixCCD(tm) system.


Hope this helps.


Regards
Sue Savage
 

Lore

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It just means they're still using the same technology as the 1200U. What do you guys think, is it worth waiting for the 1240U to come out, or should I just keep this 1200U? Money is not an issue, I just want a good scanner.
 

zerogear

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Well, no one can really comment until they've tried out the scanner (buying it :/) ~~ I couldn't find any reviews on it yet.