For those against universal healthcare like they have in Canada, why be against it?

[Juddog]

I see a lot of people fretting and worrying about the idea of a universal healthcare system, such as what they have up in Canada.

I ask to you - why is this so bad?

 

[theeedude]

"Job creators" don't like it. Higher taxes and employees less dependent on them for a basic necessity like health care.

 

[nageov3t]

Canada has a smaller population overall and fewer illegal immigrants?

 

[tydas]

Apparently, many people think that some lazy dude is getting something for free and they are jealous...

 

[JockoJohnson]

Because most people see how well the gov't runs Medicare and Medicaid--and now we are to put the entire system in the hands of the gov't.

 

[Juddog]

"Job creators" don't like it. Higher taxes and employees less dependent on them for a basic necessity like health care.

Close to half of the "job creators" these days don't even provide insurance. I don't see what the big deal is.

People complain that in Canada when you have an non-critical issue you have to wait a few weeks to see a doctor. Big deal? To me it sounds better than roughing it out without seeing anybody until it gets to the point where you need to be in ER over it and all of a sudden it costs a fortune to treat, versus a lesser cost in preventative medicine.

 

[Ausm]

Because it would decimate the TRUE death Panels in American society AKA Big Insurance. Oh I forgot to mention the scourge of Socialism.

 

[KMFJD]

Because most people see how well the gov't runs Medicare and Medicaid--and now we are to put the entire system in the hands of the gov't.

You could always vote in more competent people into government to run things

 

[theeedude]

You could always vote in more competent people into government to run things

Medicare has much lower overhead than private insurance anyways.

 

[xBiffx]

I have been to Canada many times for business at my last job. Many of these trips were to medical centers or research centers dealing with the healthcare industry. On every trip, the topic of universal healthcare came up. The consensus I got from the residents there was that the system is ok, as long as you don't get sick. If you need to be seen then plan on having to wait on a list for a long, long time sometimes months for a routine checkup. If you need a specialist or some special procedure, this could even take up to a year. Most of the people I talked to, who were professionals and could afford it, went to private providers for their healthcare. This means that they were paying for it twice. These are the reasons why I, and many, aren't fond of the idea of government run universal healthcare.

 

[waggy]

I'm not against it. in fact i think it would be great. I am against how they have been trying to do it though.

 

[quest55720]

Because they don't have an open boarder that would see flood of 10s of millions of sick people. 1 Liberal judge in california rules illegals get free health care and anyone sick in south america comes here and sucks the system dry. That and our government sucks big time. Would you trust your families health care to the TEA party?

 

[highland145]

Because most people see how well the gov't runs Medicare and Medicaid--and now we are to put the entire system in the hands of the gov't.

This.

A while back, posted 2 NPR links that explained our system and how we got here. Basically everyone has a share in the blame. An interesting note was that medical billing was ~30% of costs, partly because every company uses a different medical coding standard. Could save a lot of $$ by making a national standard in just this one area.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I have been to Canada many times for business at my last job. Many of these trips were to medical centers or research centers dealing with the healthcare industry. On every trip, the topic of universal healthcare came up. The consensus I got from the residents there was that the system is ok, as long as you don't get sick. If you need to be seen then plan on having to wait on a list for a long, long time sometimes months for a routine checkup. If you need a specialist or some special procedure, this could even take up to a year. Most of the people I talked to, who were professionals and could afford it, went to private providers for their healthcare. This means that they were paying for it twice. These are the reasons why I, and many, aren't fond of the idea of government run universal healthcare.

And out come the predictible falsehoods about Canadian Health Care. Here's some facts instead.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-003-x/2010002/article/11144/findings-resultats-eng.htm

 

[xBiffx]

And out come the predictible falsehoods about Canadian Health Care. Here's some facts instead.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-003-x/2010002/article/11144/findings-resultats-eng.htm

You can give me study after study and I could give you the same showing the opposite. Problem with your post is that you did not read mine. I am not saying that is takes a while to see a doctor. That is what I was told but Canadians who have to live through universal healthcare. This comes from firsthand knowledge of the situation, not my opinion on the matter. So seems like what people live are the facts, not what some study shows.

P.S. Don't you know that something like 99% of statistics are made up? 😛

 

[JockoJohnson]

I'm not against it. in fact i think it would be great. I am against how they have been trying to do it though.

Same here. I think alot of costs are in the way insurance companies handle the paperwork--as a previous poster mentioned. I would like to have the UHC because in theory it should definitely be cheaper than what the U.S. has now. It's a no-brainer until you factor in politicians.

 

[theeedude]

You can give me study after study and I could give you the same showing the opposite. Problem with your post is that you did not read mine. I am not saying that is takes a while to see a doctor. That is what I was told but Canadians who have to live through universal healthcare. This comes from firsthand knowledge of the situation, not my opinion on the matter. So seems like what people live are the facts, not what some study shows.

P.S. Don't you know that something like 99% of statistics are made up? 😛

Maybe you should ask some Americans who have to live through our health care system.

 

[fskimospy]

Canada has a smaller population overall and fewer illegal immigrants?

Illegal immigrants are not do not come close to accounting for the disparity between our two systems. (illegal immigrants actually utilize the health care system at vastly lower levels than we do due to their demographics and fear of deportation)

 

[xBiffx]

Maybe you should ask some Americans who have to live through our health care system.

I don't have to. I live through our healthcare system.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't have to. I live through our healthcare system.

Have you ever had a serious illness?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You can give me study after study and I could give you the same showing the opposite. Problem with your post is that you did not read mine. I am not saying that is takes a while to see a doctor. That is what I was told but Canadians who have to live through universal healthcare. This comes from firsthand knowledge of the situation, not my opinion on the matter. So seems like what people live are the facts, not what some study shows.

P.S. Don't you know that something like 99% of statistics are made up? 😛

What do I know as a Canadian whose family and friends live in and use the system.

 

[soulcougher73]

Because most people see how well the gov't runs Medicare and Medicaid--and now we are to put the entire system in the hands of the gov't.

Funny the people who usually bitch about it dont want to give it up. Cant be THAT bad.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't have to. I live through our healthcare system.

I know two people who live through both systems with just the opposite view so you are obviously just so wrong since they have college degrees.

 

[shortylickens]

Canada has a smaller population overall and fewer illegal immigrants?

And thats pretty much it right there.
Also we already have so many people on so many different welfare programs.

Folks in favor of all this government assistance need to take some basic economics classes. At some point in time, somebody SOMEWHERE, needs to go to a job and produce a product or service of value. You cant just keep consuming and redistributing the leftovers. You need to make more things of value to be consumed.

 

[xBiffx]

I know two people who live through both systems with just the opposite view so you are obviously just so wrong since they have college degrees.

ROFL. Does anyone read anymore. I did not say these things, native Canadians did. So saying I am wrong is like telling the postman to eff off cause he brought you your mail.

Also, just having a college degree means nothing except that you know how to regurgitate what you read in a book or on a chalkboard. What you do with it does matter.