For those against universal healthcare like they have in Canada, why be against it?

[tydas]

You can give me study after study and I could give you the same showing the opposite. Problem with your post is that you did not read mine. I am not saying that is takes a while to see a doctor. That is what I was told but Canadians who have to live through universal healthcare. This comes from firsthand knowledge of the situation, not my opinion on the matter. So seems like what people live are the facts, not what some study shows.

P.S. Don't you know that something like 99% of statistics are made up?

Are you kidding me? let me guess your other views..Vaccinations are causing autism, the earth is 6000 years old, evolution is a lie and I won’t even mention global warming..
MomentsofSanity gives a great comprehensive information about Canada healthcare and we are supposed to believe you?

 

[xBiffx]

What do I know as a Canadian whose family and friends live in and use the system.

You should have stated that in your last post then. Brings much more value to your argument than that silly link you posted. Seems there are disagreements among Canadians about their own healthcare system. Even more reason not to adopt it here.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

ROFL. Does anyone read anymore. I did not say these things, native Canadians did. So saying I am wrong is like telling the postman to eff off cause he brought you your mail.

Also, just having a college degree means nothing except that you know how to regurgitate what you read in a book or on a chalkboard. What you do with it does matter.

Survey after survey also shows over 90% of Canadians wouldn't trade our system for yours. What does that tell you? Find me anything 90% of Americans agree on. Not that many believe bin Laden is dead, Obama was born in the US or that man landed on the moon.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Funny the people who usually bitch about it dont want to give it up. Cant be THAT bad.

Wasn't talking about quality, talking about cost to taxpayer....didn't think I would have to explain that though :/

 

[xBiffx]

Are you kidding me? let me guess your other views..Vaccinations are causing autism, the earth is 6000 years old, evolution is a lie and I won’t even mention global warming..
MomentsofSanity gives a great comprehensive information about Canada healthcare and we are supposed to believe you?

What part of what I said indicated my views on the matter. I specifically stated what several Canadians opinions were. Again, reading is too much for the average liberal.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You should have stated that in your last post then. Brings much more value to your argument than that silly link you posted. Seems there are disagreements among Canadians about their own healthcare system. Even more reason not to adopt it here.

What silly is blanket dismissal of Stats Canada official report in the manner you have.

 

[tydas]

What part of what I said indicated my views on the matter. I specifically stated what several Canadians opinions were. Again, reading is too much for the average liberal.

and the typical conservative just makes crap up...

 

[Moonbeam]

You should have stated that in your last post then. Brings much more value to your argument than that silly link you posted. Seems there are disagreements among Canadians about their own healthcare system. Even more reason not to adopt it here.

I disagree with cars. Get rid of them.

 

[fskimospy]

You should have stated that in your last post then. Brings much more value to your argument than that silly link you posted. Seems there are disagreements among Canadians about their own healthcare system. Even more reason not to adopt it here.

There are disagreements over details of the system, but the system itself is overwhelmingly popular in Canada as compared to the US system. This is true of every single other industrialized nation on Earth that has a socialized health insurance, btw. There's a reason why no major party in any developed nation has ever run on the platform of replacing their socialized system with a private insurance system, they would be buried in an electoral landslide.

 

[xBiffx]

I disagree with cars. Get rid of them.

Too bad..we already have cars.

 

[Ausm]

Medicare has much lower overhead than private insurance anyways.

Plus it is not in their best interest to gouge the consumer.

 

[yllus]

I think Americans should start with a more basic step forward: Decouple health care from employment.

There are disagreements about the Canadian health care system, but for the most part it works well. I've gotten an MRI on what I believed was a broken ankle within 20 minutes of walking into a downtown Toronto hospital's emergency room. But I also was without a general practitioner for almost two years due to the lack of availability of one in my area.

 

[soundforbjt]

What part of what I said indicated my views on the matter. I specifically stated what several Canadians opinions were. Again, reading is too much for the average liberal.

I read what you said just fine:

Most of the people I talked to, who were professionals and could afford it, went to private providers for their healthcare. This means that they were paying for it twice. These are the reasons why I, and many, aren't fond of the idea of government run universal healthcare.

Apparently remembering what you wrote is hard for conservatives.

 

[xBiffx]

I read what you said just fine:

So since I agree with what a Canadian said about this issue, what they said is no longer valid . I get it.

 

[soundforbjt]

So since I agree with what a Canadian said about this issue, what they said is no longer valid . I get it.

Not what I said:

what you asked;

What part of what I said indicated my views on the matter

What you also said;

These are the reasons why I, and many, aren't fond of the idea of government run universal healthcare.

That's what you said that indicated your views on the matter.

 

[Atreus21]

I see a lot of people fretting and worrying about the idea of a universal healthcare system, such as what they have up in Canada.

I ask to you - why is this so bad?

Because we can't afford it.

 

[lord_emperor]

People complain that in Canada when you have an non-critical issue you have to wait a few weeks to see a doctor.

Not true, I have to wait about 30 minutes.

 

[soundforbjt]

I see a lot of people fretting and worrying about the idea of a universal healthcare system, such as what they have up in Canada.

I ask to you - why is this so bad?

Because many here think it's best to profit from injury, accident, & illness.

 

[fskimospy]

Because we can't afford it.

We can't afford to save tons of money!? Socialized health care is vastly more efficient in literally every situation it has ever been used.

 

[momeNt]

I'm all for universal healthcare and deficits at this point. We need to bring about the final crash as soon as possible so we can do away with this current monetary and fiscal system that we are in. Anything with wealth distribution on it, i'm for, universal car, cell phone, tv, house, health insurance, food, anything!

People do not need to be held accountable for what Frito-lay and nabisco has done to us, whose fault is it that Oreo, particularly the double stuff, and now the new triple decker, are so FUCKING GOOD? Surely not our own.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm all for universal healthcare and deficits at this point. We need to bring about the final crash as soon as possible so we can do away with this current monetary and fiscal system that we are in. Anything with wealth distribution on it, i'm for, universal car, cell phone, tv, house, health insurance, food, anything!

People do not need to be held accountable for what Frito-lay and nabisco has done to us, whose fault is it that Oreo, particularly the double stuff, and now the new triple decker, are so FUCKING GOOD? Surely not our own.

Offhand question, how old are you?

 

[momeNt]

Offhand question, how old are you?

24. You?

 

[rudder]

Good doctors cannot work for free. Doctors now have to limit new medicare patients or give each medicare patients about 1/4th the time they normally would get. The reimbursement rates to these doctors from medicare is so low, seeing medicare patients costs them . They have offices, staff, insurance, debt, etc.

Universal health care in this country would not fix a thing. It would create a black hole in the federal budget and the end result would either be raising taxes are cutting services.

We are not Canada. All I know in Tennessee healthcare was provided by the state to people who could not afford it or who were uninsurable. People ended up going to the emergency room for OTC medicines because it was "free." People on Tenncare also averaged 4X the number of prescriptions of people who had private insurance. It would have bankrupted a state had the program not been scaled way back.

 

[Infohawk]

The larger problem is that no matter what system you're in, the country needs the wealth to pay for it. Europe, Japan, and the US are all facing similar economic and demographic issues related to globalization that threaten the ability to have everyone have access to first world health care. (And even though Canadians weirdly think they're immune right now they are in the same boat.)

 

[fskimospy]

24. You?

I figured you were pretty young, and I'm guessing fairly sheltered. No responsible person should ever wish for what you wrote.