CaptnKirk
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Well, the question of who is going to be the first violator of the cease-fire has neen answered
So 'If' Hizbollah does attack, wouldn't that now be a posture of self defense?
The Lebanese Army wasn't even a player in this conflict, they don't have the power to resist Israel,
or even to confront their own 'state within a state' rebel forces.
So 'If' Hizbollah does attack, wouldn't that now be a posture of self defense?
The Lebanese Army wasn't even a player in this conflict, they don't have the power to resist Israel,
or even to confront their own 'state within a state' rebel forces.
I support Israel overall but that is just stupid IMO.
Who the hell allowed this to happen? Slap them around. All it takes is one idiot behind the desk to sign off on an order and boom there you have WW3.
This is very dangerous now. Israel's intel has shown to lack significantly when it comes to Hezbollah. They could not have possibly fixed it in a matter of days.
CaptnKirk
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Looks to me like Olmert & Company are are trying to look strong, in spite of a total lack of experience,
by showing how 'tough' they are to passify thier hawkish supporters.
Instead they are coming accross more like the schoolyard bullys who pick fights with those who they think will be easy to beat up on.
by showing how 'tough' they are to passify thier hawkish supporters.
Instead they are coming accross more like the schoolyard bullys who pick fights with those who they think will be easy to beat up on.
SamurAchzar
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judasmachine
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Apparently people forgot that the cease-fire was not the only part of the resolution. Notice anything about the target that was allegedly hit? Weapons from Syria, in direct violation of Resolution 1701.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4785963.stm
Woopsies, people are conveniently forgetting facts again.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4785963.stm
Woopsies, people are conveniently forgetting facts again.
To the morons advocating an Israeli strike on Iran, were you not paying attention during the last two months? Unrestrained bombing and shelling could not stop even the daily launching of missiles against Northern Israel from fortified positions a few miles into Lebanon, let alone accomplish the strategic objective of weakening or destroying Hizballah. All it did was destroy a signifigant amount of Lebanese infrastructure, and unite the population of Lebanon around Hizballah and alienating it against Israeli aggression. And you expect a reduced bombing raid against Iran to accomplish any strategic objectives? Except the consequences this time around won't be ineffective missiles raining down, but an Iran sponsored Shia rebellion in Southern Iraq to cut off the American supply line, a shutting down of the Straits of Hormuz, and the cementing of the theocratarian hold over Iran for another generation. You know, they say that the definition of mental illness is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results to occur...
The UN will not do Israel's dirty work for it. The second the UN force attempts to take sides and attack Hizballah, will be the second they are driven out of Lebanon just as the Americans were driven out over two decades ago. As Israel itself doesn't have the capability to topple Hizballah, reference both the recent war you learned nothing from as well as the Israeli occupation of Lebanon that resulted in the creation of Hizballah to drive them out, and Hizballah is not willing to self-disarm, the existance of that organization is just something you're going to have to live with. Same with Iran.
The UN will not do Israel's dirty work for it. The second the UN force attempts to take sides and attack Hizballah, will be the second they are driven out of Lebanon just as the Americans were driven out over two decades ago. As Israel itself doesn't have the capability to topple Hizballah, reference both the recent war you learned nothing from as well as the Israeli occupation of Lebanon that resulted in the creation of Hizballah to drive them out, and Hizballah is not willing to self-disarm, the existance of that organization is just something you're going to have to live with. Same with Iran.
Like the meaning of the word "allegedly". Israel did not "allegedly" hit the target, they DID hit something...what they HIT was "allegedly" weapons from Syria. There is a difference.
America needs to break away from Israel's barbaric invasions and imperialism first. You must never forget that Pakistan is an Islamic republic - the same as Iran. Pakistan has as much of a reason if not more to nuke Israel as Israel has to invade Iran. We don't want a Jewish state on the border. Look how unstable Lebanon, Palestine and Jordon are! No doubt in my mind, If Isreal does some how suceed in Iran, it will have its eyes on Pakistan since its the only muslim country that will be left to threaten it.
Can you give me any reasons why America supples Israel with the latest weapons inspite of the fact that it has broken numerous human rights and international laws? The simple fact that Iran is a muslim country is enough in my book for us to help it. Israel will be the aggressor and must be stopped at all costs before more mass murder is committed.
Its not arab culture that is breeding terrorism, its wahabism. Muslims hate wahabis more than Americans do. Wahabism is hardly a hundred year old. Osama Bin Laden is/was a wahabi and so is most of AlQaeeda. I despies Americans who generalize all muslims into one group. Just becuase Wahabis call themselves muslims does not mean they represent all of them, be it a moderate or fundementalist. Its common sense that targetting all muslims (as Bush labelled them "islamic fascists") will ignite a fire in the hearts of all muslims. This is a total breach of the American constitution where a whole religion is being targetting. 99% of Islamic fundamentalists have nothing to do with America or Alqaeeda. However with America's unfair and unjust policies its not difficult to see why that percentage is decreasing. Grouping Hezbollah (shiahs) with Alqaeeda who are both traditional enemies does not help the American casue.
Musharraf gave an interview to geo tv Pakistan a month ago (Long after Feb 2006 where your article is pointing to) where he said Pakistan controls all its nukes and he knows where exactly each and everyone is. He also said Pakistan will not stop producing new nuclear weapons. There is no reason to give nukes to the US. India is a bigger threat to Pakistan than terrorists. And foremost Pakistan needs to protect its soverignity.
There is absolutely noway in which extremists can come into power in Pakistan with the Pakistani army being one of the best in the world. Afghanistan was let to rot without a viable army and those were the main causes of extremists coming into power. Even if Musharraf is killed, Pakistan and Afghanistan are two different worlds.
I also beleive Iran has as much right to nukes that Israel has. Israel has openly talked about a regime change in Syria and Iran which would probably be get replaced by a pro american "democracy" rather that a real rule of the people. Same as Afghanistan and Iraq. A huge majority of the people want America and Nato to leave. But...Karzai is no more than an American puppet. The moment Chalabi opposed American interests, he was remove. Regime change in Iran and Syria (Iraq like situation) is no better than Tel Aviv being ruled by Paletstine.
I'm sorry, but you seem to be behind on the news, since Israel signed a peace treaty with King Hussein over 10 years ago. Would you like to elaborate on how Israel is underming the Jordanian regime? (remember, just being there is not a valid answer)
I'll ignore the rest of your anti-Israel rhetoric, since you seem to have some bad karma from watching these videos as a a kid.
Your statements would ALMOST be hiliarious.......... if I thought you were joking. But no, it's just sad that there are people as brainwashed as you in the world.
Unless you want to face the might of a few hundred ICBM's in your backyard, I'd keep such thoughts out of your brainwashed mind.
It would end the world. An Israeli "invasion" of Iran is as absurd as Pakistan nuking TelAviv. So now that people are calling for an invasion of Iran, why doesn't Iran have the right to defend itself by building nukes?
judasmachine
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Now, now, Green Bean, you should know better than try to remove your own post by editing them. Thanks to email notification I have what you wrote:
Well, my answer is quite simple: ask the Mullahs in Iran, and maybe they'll also tell you why they hanged to death a 16-year old gir.
Well, my answer is quite simple: ask the Mullahs in Iran, and maybe they'll also tell you why they hanged to death a 16-year old gir.
I edited the post becuase I initially misunderstood your original post. Instead of "mind", I read "forums" . Because my calling for Nuking Israel is no more absurd than calling for Israel to "invade" (not only bomb) Iran. According to google,
. Israel would only invade Iran after conquering all the states between itself and Iran therefore posing a very serious threat to Pakistan - I.E invade Pakistan next.
As for you answer. I in no way represent the Iranians or any way do they represent me. And what they did to that 16yr old girl does not concern me in any way. I do not live in Iran nor do I accept the Iranian mullahs. Those mullahs are only turning Islam into a game without understanding the true concepts of Islam. All I want is for you to realize the hypocritical game you are playing. Two wrongs NEVER make a right.
The Green Bean, I would like to ask about something I noticed in many muslims.
If my neighbor did something to piss off a group of people in another town which I thought was wrong, and that other town's people ended up hating me as well, logic suggests that I should deal not with the other town's people but rather my neighbor who is stirring things up.
A lot of muslims (yes, I am generalizing, bear with me) seem to think otherwise, that their neighbor is an ass but because he lives in their town together with them, they shouldn't ACTIVELY punish him. Like letting your dog bite someone and saying "oh well, I'll let it slip, he's my dog after all".
Why?
If there are radical muslim movements in your country, why don't you try and stop them?
Yes, it is dangerous. Yes, you can get killed. Such is the price of freedom.
Would you be willing to try?
If my neighbor did something to piss off a group of people in another town which I thought was wrong, and that other town's people ended up hating me as well, logic suggests that I should deal not with the other town's people but rather my neighbor who is stirring things up.
A lot of muslims (yes, I am generalizing, bear with me) seem to think otherwise, that their neighbor is an ass but because he lives in their town together with them, they shouldn't ACTIVELY punish him. Like letting your dog bite someone and saying "oh well, I'll let it slip, he's my dog after all".
Why?
If there are radical muslim movements in your country, why don't you try and stop them?
Yes, it is dangerous. Yes, you can get killed. Such is the price of freedom.
Would you be willing to try?
If Iran continues to support terrorists, preach hate against the United States and Israel, and doesn't accept the incentives package that we KINDLY offered them, anyone but those who are brainwashed to think everytime the West defends itself it's an "invasion," will clearly believe we are right to invade Iran.
Iran has taken our people hostage, they fund terrorism, and they are building a nuclear missile which they will probably use to destroy Israel, and SOMEHOW, you don't see an invasion of Iran as justified. Explain this.
You really think Iran (or ANY other country) would want to fire a nuclear missile FIRST? If Iran does so against Israel, Iran will get obliterated in 0.2323892 seconds.
NO country would want to fire the first nuke. That country knows that it is going to face a nuclear response from the attackee and its allies.
Nuclear bombs are not a joke. You can rebuild with bunker-busting bombs, Katysusha rockets, etc. it will take YEARS and YEARS to rebuild from a nuclear strike (in addition to the health complications.)
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The USA put the hated Shah on the Peacock throne after overthrowing their government, trained their secret police in torture, and when the Shah was overthrown---The Iranian people still were willing to let by gones go.------------later the USA armed Saddam and aided him as he declaired war on Iran----but that was back when Saddam was our man in the mid-east.
As someone living in the USA, I can understand why Iran seeks to defend itself and its oil resources. As Bush and Cheney now itch for any excuse to invade Iran.
But when Iran some how does not love Uncle Sam in return----they must be terrorists and part of the axis of Evil?
And its all right, fitting, and proper for UNcle Sam to arm and aid Israel as it rapes Lebanon, but if Iran sells arms to its fellow nations---that the worse sin in the world?
Guess what---any impartial person has to conclude all sides that aid this fight are BOTH WRONG----and part of the axis of stupid stinking thinking---and morally bankrupt to boot.
IF we put .0001% of the energy we do into figuring out how to kill our fellow men into figuring out how to settle and defuse disputes, we would not be in the mess we are today.
As someone living in the USA, I can understand why Iran seeks to defend itself and its oil resources. As Bush and Cheney now itch for any excuse to invade Iran.
But when Iran some how does not love Uncle Sam in return----they must be terrorists and part of the axis of Evil?
And its all right, fitting, and proper for UNcle Sam to arm and aid Israel as it rapes Lebanon, but if Iran sells arms to its fellow nations---that the worse sin in the world?
Guess what---any impartial person has to conclude all sides that aid this fight are BOTH WRONG----and part of the axis of stupid stinking thinking---and morally bankrupt to boot.
IF we put .0001% of the energy we do into figuring out how to kill our fellow men into figuring out how to settle and defuse disputes, we would not be in the mess we are today.
novasatori
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the israeli f-16 with conformal fuel tanks and 2x600gal tanks have a combat radius of near 1400mi, well enough to reach iran and return without refueling I think... I don't have the exact distances though from a glance at maps it seems to be near 900-1000mi leaving almost 800mi of fuel for ingress/egress.
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