For the record... If Hezbollah attacks Israel again

[piasabird]

Isreal is a liberal democracy and they dont have the backbone to just kill everyone. They hesitated instead of defending themsleves early on. They showed an incredible amount of discretion. I think the surgical approach to war is a mistake. War is hell and people should be made to suffer if they hide or harbor murderers and terrorists in their country.

They are not innocent civilians they are accomplices with their hands out ready to receive money from Hezbolah and their sugar daddies in Iran and Syria. There are no innocent civilians, silence and complicity is the same as if they were pulling the trigger on the rockets sailing into Isreal.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Hezbollah will attack Israel again, and all the trendies will still blame it on Israel. For some reason, its just hip to shrug off common sense and support the evil underdog, even though they'd willingly murder every granola bar on campus.

Cheers for religious fanaticism, oppression of women, and fairytales of virgins in heaven. How the West can possibly sympathize with people who oppose everything the West stands for, I'll never understand.

 

[Aimster]

Israel's nieghbors are not oil rich nations. Egypt? Lebanon? Jordan? Oil revenue is not their major source for money.

Saudi Arabia is an oil rich nation and it has never fought a war with Israel.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
How the West can possibly sympathize with people who oppose everything the West stands for, I'll never understand.

QFMFT!

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Hezbollah attacks again then Israel will attack Lebanon again and this time thousands of Lebanese troops will be in the South. It'll be exactly how we saw it before. Just a bunch of firing at each other with no end in sight.

If Israel attacks Syria then Syria will be sent into Lebanon.

Is Israel trying to start a major war that will cost them?
Israel is not an occupying force. They will pay deadly if they try to occupy and they must occupy if they wish to stop Hezbollah.

You cannot get rid of Hezbollah by bombing them. Israel is definetely not going to do anything but pisss off the Arab world by bombing Syria. Bombing Syria would just reduce their military capabilities but Syria will still have those small arms that will be deadly against an Israel occupation force.

Too bad the UN is a pile of crap. If the UN was an actual power then we wouldn't be seeing any of this garbage. The UN is a joke and we need a world assembly that actually has power.

QFT. Israel attacking another country would no doubt start a WW3.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Aimster
You live in a la la land.

Of course it is easy for you to say those things when you are behind a desk and not the one holding a gun fighting.

Israel cannot bomb Tehran. The U.S will have to do it and I don't think anyone here would want to see the U.S fight a war for Israel. Israel can fight their own damn wars.

Leave U.S out of it.

Isreal has already bombed Iran in the past. And they'll do it again. F-15 strike eagles anyone? Mabe an F-16?

Nuke missiles anyone?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Dari
Everyone here cries about the UN being incompetent against the Arabs. What about its incompetence against the Israelis? What about Resolution 242?

IMHO, the UN and US should stay out of this and let the parties fight until they can't fight no more. That way, there will be a supreme victor once and for all.

There wont be a winner. Only losers.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Doboji
I know I would think the same way I did this time around... pound the crap out of both Hezbollah, and their willing host Lebanon. Only I say go further next time... bomb Tehran and Damascus...

-Max

How about this question: What if Israel attacks Hezbollah again or does something to provoke a Hezbollah response?

Israel just being there allows someone to find a excuse/justfication for Hamas/Hezbollah to initiate something.

One of the excuses by Hezbollah for the last incident was Israel has a bunch of prisoners/terrorists in jail that they hoped initially to trade for the captured soldiers as what had happened previously.

Whats the Israeli excuse or abducting members of the Palestenian parliment?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel's nieghbors are not oil rich nations. Egypt? Lebanon? Jordan? Oil revenue is not their major source for money.

Saudi Arabia is an oil rich nation and it has never fought a war with Israel.

Suppose it did have a war with Israel, who win come out victorious? Sauds have a huge military spending and no doubt if any holy sites are bombed, all muslims armies would join the fight.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
How the West can possibly sympathize with people who oppose everything the West stands for, I'll never understand.

QFMFT!

By any chance, does that include freedom of religion?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Doboji
I know I would think the same way I did this time around... pound the crap out of both Hezbollah, and their willing host Lebanon. Only I say go further next time... bomb Tehran and Damascus...

-Max

How about this question: What if Israel attacks Hezbollah again or does something to provoke a Hezbollah response?

Israel just being there allows someone to find a excuse/justfication for Hamas/Hezbollah to initiate something.

One of the excuses by Hezbollah for the last incident was Israel has a bunch of prisoners/terrorists in jail that they hoped initially to trade for the captured soldiers as what had happened previously.

Whats the Israeli excuse for abducting members of the Palestenian parliment?

Look at who Israel took and what/why they are charged with. Those are people that have plotted and/or been involved with attacks against Israel or Israel citizens.

If Israel wanted to, they could lock up every Palestinian politician; they do not. Ask yourself, what is the difference?

 

[Lemon law]

Lets see of I can follow this.

You say that if Israel wanted to they could lock up every Palistinian politician.

Well, If I wanted to I could assinate every politician I disagreed with. Of course, I would eventually be caught---and they would put me in an iron cage and feed me bad food.

And as for you, you seem deeply confused between the difference between being able to do something and that something action being a moral thing to do.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets see of I can follow this.

You say that if Israel wanted to they could lock up every Palistinian politician.

Well, If I wanted to I could assinate every politician I disagreed with. Of course, I would eventually be caught---and they would put me in an iron cage and feed me bad food.

And as for you, you seem deeply confused between the difference between being able to do something and that something action being a moral thing to do.

LL

Look at the context of his question and my response.

Becuase Israel does not lock up every political; there must be some distinction.

I am asking for him to determine what is such a distinction.

These so-called politicians have been charge with crimes, either before or after they obtained "office". that is why thery are in custody, not becuase they are Palestinian or a Palestinian politician.

 

[Lemon law]

If these Plaistinian politicians are guilty of crimes---either before or after taking office---that is the responsibility and under the perview of the Palistinian authority---and not a right Israel has or can morally excercise.---------under any objective analysis these type actions are a rather simple case of intimidation under a might makes right doctrine.

Like Aisengard you are brainwashed---please report to a deprogramming center and get your head screwed on straight.---your moral compass is just not following any logic.

There was a recent case in the news somewhat similar----a mexican drug kingpin the US badly wanted was eluding mexican authorities---The US properly waited until said kingpin
sailed out of Mexican waters on a deep sea fishing jaunt---and now he is in US custodity with the US avoiding an international incident. ----a happy ending for all but the drug kingpin.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Dari
Everyone here cries about the UN being incompetent against the Arabs. What about its incompetence against the Israelis? What about Resolution 242?

IMHO, the UN and US should stay out of this and let the parties fight until they can't fight no more. That way, there will be a supreme victor once and for all.

That's a good point. People like to cherry pick their UN resolutions.

That's right -- just like the person you quoted: he conveniently forgot about resolution 181, which predated 242.

Funny, I don't recall the neighboring states (and as far as Iraq) respecting that resolution.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
If these Plaistinian politicians are guilty of crimes---either before or after taking office---that is the responsibility and under the perview of the Palistinian authority ...

TODO List:
(1) Ask Palestinian Authority to arrest itself.
(2) Ask Hezbollah to disarm itself.
(3) Put drug kingpin on a cruise ship back to Mexico
(4) Buy another batch of politicial-correctness, objectivity, and context removal fluid

Roger, I'm on it.

 

[Aisengard]

Lemon Law, when people commit crimes in Israel, killing Israelis, you really expect the PA to 'enact justice', when they're the ones behind the killings?

Get your delusional head out of the sand. Israel holds people, maybe not rightfully, but you notice the people everyone always ask consistently for are the convicted murderers. That should tell you what they really want.

 

[Lemon law]

Consider also Aisengard----these people were elected some time ago---and have done nothing since.

Suddenly Israel starts an offensive into Lebanon---and then decides to arrest these politicians for the alleged crimes commited by people safely in Lebanon.

For your argument to hold any water---Israel should have arrested these politicians a long time ago---when they do it only now---any fool can see its a simple case of intimidation. Along with the 150 people Israel has killed in Gaza---and far from the action or attention of teh news media.

Let me put it another way---two politicians I disliked were Ronald Reagan and George Wallace---when both ended up being shot---I did not cheer.-- I understood this was the work
of nuts---if someone I really hated got their just deserts for deep wrongs---I might cheer.

But even if I cheer and say hip hip hoorah---that would still be no crime---unless I was one of the gun men and part of the crime.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The politicians in question were arrested a long time ago and also for crimes committed before the arrest; not just after the start of the current hostilities.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Aimster
You live in a la la land.

Of course it is easy for you to say those things when you are behind a desk and not the one holding a gun fighting.

Israel cannot bomb Tehran. The U.S will have to do it and I don't think anyone here would want to see the U.S fight a war for Israel. Israel can fight their own damn wars.

Leave U.S out of it.

Isreal has already bombed Iran in the past. And they'll do it again. F-15 strike eagles anyone? Mabe an F-16?

When did Israel bomb Iran in the past?

Israel aircraft cannot attack/reach Tehran.

this is correct they havent attacked Iran, they attacked Iraq i nthe 80's, once.... they could, technically reach Iran, but would need authorization to fly through syrian and Iraqi airspace, which they wont get, the manevuer they pulled with iraq of lopping around syria wont work, its still too far to Iran....

 

[imported_dna]

That's rich, Lemon law: being elected gives them some sort of immunity.
Here's a list of terrorist activity, including those that took place after Hamas took over.

Not the innocent angels you're trying so hard to make them seem.

 

[Extelleron]

If Hezbollah attacks again, as I BELIEVE Israel has said, Lebanon's done. Israel will re-invade ENTIRELY, and crush any resistance for good. This time, a war against Iran and Syria will also have to be fought. Most likely, by the time Hezbollah acts up again (oh, it WILL happen, believe me) we'll have economic sanctions with Iran, but Iran will still be pursuing their nuclear goal...... so we'll invade Iran.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
If Hezbollah attacks again, as I BELIEVE Israel has said, Lebanon's done. Israel will re-invade ENTIRELY, and crush any resistance for good. This time, a war against Iran and Syria will also have to be fought. Most likely, by the time Hezbollah acts up again (oh, it WILL happen, believe me) we'll have economic sanctions with Iran, but Iran will still be pursuing their nuclear goal...... so we'll invade Iran.

If Israel invades Iran, I would support Pakistan nuking Tel Aviv.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Extelleron
If Hezbollah attacks again, as I BELIEVE Israel has said, Lebanon's done. Israel will re-invade ENTIRELY, and crush any resistance for good. This time, a war against Iran and Syria will also have to be fought. Most likely, by the time Hezbollah acts up again (oh, it WILL happen, believe me) we'll have economic sanctions with Iran, but Iran will still be pursuing their nuclear goal...... so we'll invade Iran.

If Israel invades Iran, I would support Pakistan nuking Tel Aviv.

Green Bean, why the hell would you care what Israel does to Iran? I really wish you wouldn't make stupid reckless statements like that. As a Pakistani, it doesn't affect you at all and in fact it gives Pakistan even more leverage as the sole Muslim nuclear power--though I read the US is in firm control of Pakistani nukes now: http://www.voltairenet.org/article30081.html

the statements by Condoleeza Rice to the senators last January. The State Secretary explained that the United States had taken control of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal to avoid that the fundamentalists could get a hold of it if they overthrow Musharraf, who has escaped several assassination attempts in the last months

So it seems Pakistan won't be nuking anyone anytime soon, not that it would ever have a reason to attack Israel anway. If anything the chances are someone like Musharaff will eventually forge some sort of relations with Israel. Pakistanis need to break free from the Arab slave mentality and realize they have no ties or obligations to them. Arab culture is of death and destruction and that's what they exported to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
If Hezbollah attacks again, as I BELIEVE Israel has said, Lebanon's done. Israel will re-invade ENTIRELY, and crush any resistance for good. This time, a war against Iran and Syria will also have to be fought. Most likely, by the time Hezbollah acts up again (oh, it WILL happen, believe me) we'll have economic sanctions with Iran, but Iran will still be pursuing their nuclear goal...... so we'll invade Iran.

Israel invasion of an entire Lebanon would very deadly for Israel.

Thousands of soldiers would die.