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Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Xafgoat
My question about atkins is what about cholestoral and your heart? Just cause you are skinny doesnt mean eating all those fatty foods arent playing havoc on your arteries.

My HDL went from 35 to 70, my LDL went from 160 to 125, and my triglycerides went from 225 to 35. Total cholesterol went from 240 to 195.

I'd say that my chances of having a heart attack have gone down considerably.
 

SacrosanctFiend

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Xafgoat
My question about atkins is what about cholestoral and your heart? Just cause you are skinny doesnt mean eating all those fatty foods arent playing havoc on your arteries.

My HDL went from 35 to 70, my LDL went from 160 to 125, and my triglycerides went from 225 to 35. Total cholesterol went from 240 to 195.

I'd say that my chances of having a heart attack have gone down considerably.

And yet, you still have an increased risk for prostate cancer, renal disease, and osteoporosis. Not to mention the ketosis, which no one seems to understand...it's a bad thing.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Xafgoat
My question about atkins is what about cholestoral and your heart? Just cause you are skinny doesnt mean eating all those fatty foods arent playing havoc on your arteries.

My HDL went from 35 to 70, my LDL went from 160 to 125, and my triglycerides went from 225 to 35. Total cholesterol went from 240 to 195.

I'd say that my chances of having a heart attack have gone down considerably.

And yet, you still have an increased risk for prostate cancer, renal disease, and osteoporosis. Not to mention the ketosis, which no one seems to understand...it's a bad thing.

Do you have any data to support that?

Let's take osteoporosis.

Causes
The risk of osteoporosis is higher in people who have a low-calcium diet, are under weight, take little exercise, consume alcohol to excess, and smoke cigarettes.

I don't meet any of these criteria.

I drink a 1/2 cup of low-carb milk, and I eat cheese, and yogurt (full-fat) everyday. Plus I take calcium/zinc/magnesium tablets.
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
People are still on Atkins? I thought that fad faded out.

I thought so too.

Any diet where you can eat a steak dinner every night but denies you a glass of apple juice has to be full of sh!t.

No, it works. Lost 30 lbs on it and lowered my cholesterol levels over 25 pnts. It's just too difficult to stay on for any length of time.
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Atkins is DANGEROUS. It's just about as bad as binge eating McD's. Just eat and excercise normally and you'll be much healthier.

Where'd you read that? In an email chain letter?
 

Fritzo

Lifer
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Originally posted by: piroroadkill
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
People are still on Atkins? I thought that fad faded out.

I thought so too.

Any diet where you can eat a steak dinner every night but denies you a glass of apple juice has to be full of sh!t.

Quoted for truth.

Atkins is a dangerous long term diet, this is proven many times over by everyone. It's one of those fad crash diets, it should never be looked at ANY OTHER WAY.

OK, let's see some links to this "proof".

 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Do you have any data to support that?

Synopsis of the Atkin's Diet

Search PubMed for a laundry list of articles on Atkins.

Dr. Atkins? diet

This diet restricts carbohydrates. The introduction phase (2 weeks or more) restricts carbohydrates to less than 20 grams per day. This excludes most fruits and vegetables and relies on a diet of mostly animal fats and protein.

Never did the "induction phase" as I didn't have that much weight to lose.

On the other hand, complex carbohydrates such as whole grains, brown rice, fruits, vegetables, grains, beans, and soy products are rich in fiber, which slows their absorption. In moderation, they are excellent food choices for overweight and obese people. They should make up a significant proportion of the diet. And yet these are also strictly limited by the Atkins diet.

I eat fruit at every meal and vegetables at every dinner. I ony eat starch fruits and vegetables like bananas and potatoes occasionally. I eat two slices of whole grain bread at lunch too (reduced carb type).

Numerous studies have shown that excess animal protein in the diet increases the risks of breast and prostate cancers, heart disease, kidney disease, and osteoporosis. Fats and proteins break down in the body to substances called ketones. The large amounts of fat and protein in the Atkins diet are likely to cause an excess of ketones in the body, a condition called ketosis.

What constitutes an "excess"? I eat a turkey burger for lunch, about 4 - 6 oz of high quality meat or fish for dinner, and have a protein shake in the morning with my oatmeal/kiwi/flaxseed breakfast. I hardly consider that excessive.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
People are still on Atkins? I thought that fad faded out.

I thought so too.

Any diet where you can eat a steak dinner every night but denies you a glass of apple juice has to be full of sh!t.

No, it works. Lost 30 lbs on it and lowered my cholesterol levels over 25 pnts. It's just too difficult to stay on for any length of time.

What do you find difficult about staying on it?
 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
People are still on Atkins? I thought that fad faded out.

I thought so too.

Any diet where you can eat a steak dinner every night but denies you a glass of apple juice has to be full of sh!t.

No, it works. Lost 30 lbs on it and lowered my cholesterol levels over 25 pnts. It's just too difficult to stay on for any length of time.

What do you find difficult about staying on it?

I have the same problem. Long story short, I just don't have the will power that I used to, unfortunately. :(
 

Riprorin

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For those of you who can't stay on it, what specifically has been the problem?

I'm just curious since I haven't had any problems.
 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin
For those of you who can't stay on it, what specifically has been the problem?

I'm just curious since I haven't had any problems.

Basically, I'll just have cravings for something that I shouldn't be eating, and I feel almost powerless not to give in, if that makes any sense. It's particularly bad when I go out to eat with friends, or at a party, or whatever. And that isn't necessarily too bad by itself, but the thing is that it takes me forever to resolve to get back on the diet once I'm off the wagon, so to speak. I'll think "well I already had one 'bad' meal, what's one more?"

Like I said, basically a will power thing.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: OffTopic

balance meals & exercises.

That advice is meaningless as most people have no clue what a "balanced" meal is or know how to start an excercise program.

Platitudes aren't going to help people who need to lose weight.

 

KoolAidKid

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I have been on South Beach for 9 months. I lost 50 pounds in three months and have kept if off for the last 6. My cholesterol went from 225 to 160, and I eat eggs for breakfast nearly every day. South Beach is a little different than Atkins, though, in that it restricts saturated fats while encouraging you to eat food that is high in fiber.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
I have been on South Beach for 9 months. I lost 50 pounds in three months and have kept if off for the last 6. My cholesterol went from 225 to 160, and I eat eggs for breakfast nearly every day. South Beach is a little different than Atkins, though, in that it restricts saturated fats while encouraging you to eat food that is high in fiber.

I eat a lot of fiber too, but I haven't seen any good scientific evidence that saturated fat is bad. Seems more ancedotal to me. You definitely need to avoid trans-fat.

Here's a good artice on saturated fat:

The Truth About Saturated Fat

Eggs are gold standard for protein. I saw one study where people ate 2 eggs a day for several months. Their total cholesterol went up 5%, but their good cholesterol went up 10%. The advice to restrict eggs because they contain cholesterol is clearly misguided.

 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
People are still on Atkins? I thought that fad faded out.

I thought so too.

Any diet where you can eat a steak dinner every night but denies you a glass of apple juice has to be full of sh!t.

No, it works. Lost 30 lbs on it and lowered my cholesterol levels over 25 pnts. It's just too difficult to stay on for any length of time.

What do you find difficult about staying on it?

For one, it's expensive. You're talking 3-4 times your normal food bill. Second, you have to prepare food everyday. 'Quick" foods are seldom on the diet, so there's a big inconvienience factor there. Lastly, I got really sick of the same types of foods all the time. It gets to the point where you can't stand eating eggs, cheese, and beef anymore. Anyway, I also did the South Beach, which I like better because you get more vitamins, but the weightloss isn't as dramatic. South Beach is definately a diet that one could stay on for life. It just basically says "Cut out processed grains, sugar, and some of the fat from your diet." Works really well.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Lost about 25 lbs in 7 weeks and have kept the weight off for nearly two years.

I'm 44 and have ~9% BF. Looking and feeling great and getting rave reviews from my doc.

It's too bad that people are so badly informed about what Atkins is all about.
With your apperant Obsessive Compulsive nature any form of a fitness and healty dietary routine would have worked for you.

 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Lost about 25 lbs in 7 weeks and have kept the weight off for nearly two years.

I'm 44 and have ~9% BF. Looking and feeling great and getting rave reviews from my doc.

It's too bad that people are so badly informed about what Atkins is all about.

Nice work. Been on it for 4 years. Modified it after 6 months and eat nearly all I want.
 

alent1234

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
People are still on Atkins? I thought that fad faded out.

I thought so too.

Any diet where you can eat a steak dinner every night but denies you a glass of apple juice has to be full of sh!t.

No, it works. Lost 30 lbs on it and lowered my cholesterol levels over 25 pnts. It's just too difficult to stay on for any length of time.

What do you find difficult about staying on it?

For one, it's expensive. You're talking 3-4 times your normal food bill. Second, you have to prepare food everyday. 'Quick" foods are seldom on the diet, so there's a big inconvienience factor there. Lastly, I got really sick of the same types of foods all the time. It gets to the point where you can't stand eating eggs, cheese, and beef anymore. Anyway, I also did the South Beach, which I like better because you get more vitamins, but the weightloss isn't as dramatic. South Beach is definately a diet that one could stay on for life. It just basically says "Cut out processed grains, sugar, and some of the fat from your diet." Works really well.



south beach is pretty good

dr pescatore who made it up is a real MD and has his own practice in NYC. My wife went to him last year and he helped her. he used to work for atkins and left because of disagreements.
 

91TTZ

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I think if you read the Atkins book or most diet plans such as weight watchers or South Beach, they all bring up good points and agree with each other most of the time.

But most of the people you see that claim to be on Atkins and just eat grease and bacon all day don't know what it's all about.

You do need carbs, but you don't need those highly refined carbs. I don't think any diet book will tell you that ice cream, soda, or Cinnabon is good for you. On the other hand they all tell you to eat whole grains and eat plenty of vegetables.

I did Atkins and lost a ton of weight (50 lbs) but the big drawback is that you lose a lot of muscle in the process. After getting down to my goal, I started eating more carbs, but only the good kind. I never drink soda and usually get my carbs from brown rice, oatmeal, or whole wheat.

To make it easy for everybody I'll sum it up- If you eat quality food your physique will be better quality. Eat crap and you'll look like crap.

Eat quality foods
Eat the right amount
work out
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Lost about 25 lbs in 7 weeks and have kept the weight off for nearly two years.

I'm 44 and have ~9% BF. Looking and feeling great and getting rave reviews from my doc.

It's too bad that people are so badly informed about what Atkins is all about.
With your apperant Obsessive Compulsive nature any form of a fitness and healty dietary routine would have worked for you.

Nah, I'm just highly disciplined, and I never consider failure an option.

I like food and I don't like to be hungry so I don't think that any diet would have worked for me.

Fortumately, I have a lot of will power when it comes to avoiding sugar, white flour, starchy stuff, and highly processed crap.
 

EmperorIQ

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i do the 5-6 meals a day, about 1-2 hours of workout every other day, and lost 50 pounds since June 04. no atkins for me man.

oh yea, i gave up soda, and I don't eat any much white carbs anymore. I only eat wheat bread, etc. But I still stick with white rice. That could be it too.