For the Left- Going Tea Party?

[ivwshane]

We haven't had quite the convergence of circumstance, propaganda & personality to make it possible. When we needed a charismatic personality at the top we got FDR. Other countries weren't so lucky.

Authoritarians generally exploit crisis. Without one they sputter like the Klan in the 20's. What's different about today is the well cultivated sense of crisis when there really isn't one. Trumpsters seem convinced that America is going to Hell in a hand basket when that's not really true at all. So they're willing to grant extraordinary leeway to the guy who convinced them that there is a crisis, Donald Trump.

Yes and that's my concern and why I don't think people complaining about Hitler references should be complaining.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I had strong suspicions back in late 2015 and early 2016 what was happening. The two school-terror hoaxes, targeting the most blue and urbanized districts on either coast, were not perpetrated by ISIS or some foreign terrorist. The hoaxes were timed to precede major presidential debates or town halls by about a day's time. To the galactically naïve, this is known as the old "Reichstag Fire" trick, in one of its many forms.

The FBI traced the hoaxes to IP addresses in what had once been East Germany. Interesting coincidence -- with Vlad Putin's early career posts. But figure the Russians would have assets in Germany still. They got Anna Chapman into the US, didn't they?

I would not be skeptical about the grounds for impeachment, but I would worry strongly about derailing an objective investigation. At minimum, knowing of an attempt to put the thumb on the scale of our elections, and failing to tell the authorities about it, is "Misprision of a felony," which is also a felony. If Trump did more than that, it would only make impeachment a done deal. I had been using the word "Treason" for the last three or four months, because I saw all this coming. Only the other day, Congressman Moulton used the same word in the same context of the same news and issues.

It depends on congress, and it depends on honest, dedicated civil servants. But both have been sliding downhill for years -- and not because of the Obama administration.

As for Congressman Lewis and Conyers -- they're right. And I probably say this to spit in the face of Trump supporters. Trump is as legitimate as a toddler in a whorehouse. If we could use Trump's favorite technique and waterboard Vlad Putin, we might find out for sure where Donnie-Boy has been. Of course, you can speculate about his wife on the front page of the New York Post.

She has "stars," you see . . . . .

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe the thread was started out of a concern that the left in it's hate for Trump may have become extreme and unhinged and that we should worry about that. I thought Woolfe gave the most direct response to that fear.

But I have stated many many times that we create what we fear, an insane fear on the right of the left will create a left worth fearing.. But the issue really is fear and the fear of fear so we have to be aware of that. However, I see the issue like Woolfe, so much more one sided and concentrated on the right that worrying about the left seems to me to be an irrational fear out of proportion like worrying about a leaking pipe in a burning building. If a psychotic left were in the White House, I would be inclined to give the matter more attention. Let's not forget also that those with heightened fear reactions may be the first to spot an approaching danger. We don't want to be leftist smug there is nothing out there to fear.

The thread has been fascinating for me to read, a mirror into so many individual psyches and their respective tangents.

 

[Jhhnn]

Let's not forget also that those with heightened fear reactions may be the first to spot an approaching danger.

Not to mention that they're often the first to panic & run straight into the arms of the Devil.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not to mention that they're often the first to panic & run straight into the arms of the Devil.

Quite true, or the first to jump out of the pan and not into the fire and living to procreate. The sad thing is that they have been trained to see the pan as liberals instead of a trained fire department.

 

[Moonbeam]

Anyway what I see is a mysterious concern in the middle of a full blown brain defect inspired conservative mass psychosis that liberals may get a case of the sniffles. That looks to me like an irrational fear. It's not that an authoritarian left isn't a possibility or a danger, it's that it's not one that looks to me to be real or visibly imminent.

 

[agent00f]

And there it is. I'm not smart enough. Got it kiddo.
Dunning–Kruger rinse and repeat...

Seems unlikely for that fact to change anytime soon, especially with that attitude.

^ LOL as if it wasn't as predictable as all hell the single most reliable example wouldn't present himself like clockwork. Cue his little shadow, vic grey...

Just a tip that the best way to avoid being seen as a bluster tard is to write something not becoming of the label.

 

[agent00f]

Without even comparing things to Hitler, one can see that there has been a certain narrative being pushed down on society ever since 9/11. We've been shown that a certain boogeyman is out there and we must arm ourselves and fight this boogeyman. That we need to secure ourselves, etc. This sort of thinking automatically puts a barrier between humans and leads to all sorts of problems. The thing is, these problems are manufactured for the most part. Probably just like times of WW2 and Hitler. The ruling class's interests don't align with the average person's. Just like there was propaganda during Hitler's time against certain groups, we have it today as well.

People like Milo, Alex Jones and many others (alt-right media, etc) are constantly pushing fear propaganda. They want you to be scared of your fellow man. And of course this creates mistrust and thus even anger among people. That leads to rise of powerful ruling class elites in various forms - military, corporations, politics, etc.

All of that is happening right now.

The popular simplistic view of marxist class struggle isn't exactly complete to our historical conditions. There are very much many conflicting interests between factions in society. Such as pre vs post enlightenment ideals as discussed elsewhere, but others like: natives vs. immigrants, where killing off the former provides free land/resources; low status ethnics vs majority, where exploiting the former produces privilege/status; urban vs rural, or rules advantageous to certain regions against others, etc.

These aren't somehow fabrication out of whole cloth, but real opposing interests where some getting more means others getting less out of some fixed sum. So there's definitely good reason for some conflict.

As another example, it might well be in the interests of various degenerates to elect some degenerate-king who'll take from everyone else and divvy back to followers. Systems like fascism aren't necessary bad for those in the fascist party, if it survives anyway. Hitler and Mussi's people had it pretty good while it lasted. For modern day examples just look at Putin or Ergadon's loyalists, there's little reason for them to give up a pretty sure thing for some questionable revolution.