For the atheists on the board, do you celebrate christmas?

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: Madwand1
Why does every reference to either atheism or agnosticism have to degenerate into a discussion their differences and similarities? It's idiotic, and idiotic to repeat that same argument in virtually every thread which touches on the subject, however incidentally.

I really don't see what the big deal is as long as you don't believe in god.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: CKent
Ah so now your definition is changing and you're a "leaning" agnostic. You should go back to telling the huddled masses about how you're the first with the insight and bravery to question religion, it seems to be what you do best. Here you're just stutter-stepping and going back on your story.

Don't bother answering the questions, just deflect :roll:

My "definition" of my atheism has been consistent throughout this thread and throughout all of my posting on ATOT.

I'm agnostic in the same sense that I'm agnostic with respect to unicorns - it is literally logically impossible to disprove the existence of unicorns, but I still consider myself a non-believer in unicorns because my agnosticism regarding them is nothing more than a tip of the hat to this logical imperative. I don't believe in unicorns.

Now transpose the word 'unicorns' in the previous paragraph with 'god'. See what happens? The reason I am repeating myself here is that I'm trying to show you that I'm an atheist, but also refute your assertion from earlier that atheism and agnosticism are mutually exclusive positions. However, at this point I feel like I'm just beating my head against a wall trying to reason with you.

 

[miketheidiot]

me, an atheist, had the biggest lights display on my house in town(22k lights 😀) and i drank tons of egg nog, exchanged gifts, etc, almosst even went to church w/ my family but flight delays got in the way. of course i'm a closet atheist, so at least the church part is partly a cover

 

[MustangSVT]

dont believe in god and dont give a crap about religion.

I care about family and friends I have and share gifts and kind words to show my appreciation.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Madwand1
Why does every reference to either atheism or agnosticism have to degenerate into a discussion their differences and similarities? It's idiotic, and idiotic to repeat that same argument in virtually every thread which touches on the subject, however incidentally.

Because there are some people who've been so busy patting themselves on the back for Fighting the Man and Questioning Establishment, they've given absolutely zero thought to the actual question and confuse uncertainty with disbelief.

It seems to happen during the age ~15-20 rebellion phase. By 25 they're theists :laugh:

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: CKent
Ah so now your definition is changing and you're a "leaning" agnostic. You should go back to telling the huddled masses about how you're the first with the insight and bravery to question religion, it seems to be what you do best. Here you're just stutter-stepping and going back on your story.

Don't bother answering the questions, just deflect :roll:

My "definition" of my atheism has been consistent throughout this thread and throughout all of my posting on ATOT.

I'm agnostic in the same sense that I'm agnostic with respect to unicorns - it is literally logically impossible to disprove the existence of unicorns, but I still consider myself a non-believer in unicorns because my agnosticism regarding them is nothing more than a tip of the hat to this logical imperative. I don't believe in unicorns.

Now transpose the word 'unicorns' in the previous paragraph with 'god'. See what happens? The reason I am repeating myself here is that I'm trying to show you that I'm an atheist, but also refute your assertion from earlier that atheism and agnosticism are mutually exclusive positions. However, at this point I feel like I'm just beating my head against a wall trying to reason with you.

Why are you so enthralled with unicorns? Did you play with My Little Pony toys too much as a kid? 😕

You're not an atheist, you're an agnostic. Agnostics are essentially rebellious, directionless kids who don't quite have the balls to call horseshit when they see it. Don't worry, you're in good company on ATOT concerning the ball-free status of your pants 🙂

I am an atheist.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Madwand1
Why does every reference to either atheism or agnosticism have to degenerate into a discussion their differences and similarities? It's idiotic, and idiotic to repeat that same argument in virtually every thread which touches on the subject, however incidentally.

Because there are some people who've been so busy patting themselves on the back for Fighting the Man and Questioning Establishment, they've given absolutely zero thought to the actual question and confuse uncertainty with disbelief.

It seems to happen during the age ~15-20 rebellion phase. By 25 they're theists :laugh:

Sorry buddy but where I'm from The Establishment most certainly isn't Christianity and for the past 9 years The Man was a non-religious woman. This has nothing to do with rebellion and I would argue I have put a lot more thought into it than you have. You still don't seem to able to grasp the idea that belief resides on a continuum and not in discrete, exclusive states.

Edit - I am an atheist. I'm not agnostic. I'm simply not arrogant enough to believe that my personal beliefs trump logical imperatives (like the logical impossibility of proving a negative).

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Madwand1
Why does every reference to either atheism or agnosticism have to degenerate into a discussion their differences and similarities? It's idiotic, and idiotic to repeat that same argument in virtually every thread which touches on the subject, however incidentally.

Because there are some people who've been so busy patting themselves on the back for Fighting the Man and Questioning Establishment, they've given absolutely zero thought to the actual question and confuse uncertainty with disbelief.

It seems to happen during the age ~15-20 rebellion phase. By 25 they're theists :laugh:

Sorry buddy but where I'm from The Establishment most certainly isn't Christianity and for the past 9 years The Man was a non-religious woman. This has nothing to do with rebellion and I would argue I have put a lot more thought into it than you have. You still don't seem to able to grasp the idea that belief resides on a continuum and not in discrete, exclusive states.

Edit - I am an atheist. I'm not agnostic. I'm simply not arrogant enough to believe that my personal beliefs trump logical imperatives (like the logical impossibility of proving a negative).

You sound confused. Uncertainty =/= belief. If you are, as you say, not arrogant enough to believe in your own personal "beliefs", you're an agnostic, not an atheist. Glad I could help out, Sport.

Btw, you still haven't posted in the poll thread, even though a few posters have replied, thus bumping it for you to see. Are you simply too tired to argue in a second thread that two distinct philosophies are actually one and the same? Or are you just aversive to multitasking? 😀

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: CKent
You sound confused. Uncertainty =/= belief. If you are, as you say, not arrogant enough to believe in your own personal "beliefs", you're an agnostic, not an atheist. Glad I could help out, Sport.

Btw, you still haven't posted in the poll thread, even though a few posters have replied, thus bumping it for you to see. Are you simply too tired to argue in a second thread that two distinct philosophies are actually one and the same? Or are you just aversive to multitasking? 😀

Way to butcher my quote, what I actually said was "I don't believe my own beliefs trump logical imperatives. Nice try though. I have voted in the poll thread, but I am about to go to work so I can't post in it right now.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: CKent
You sound confused. Uncertainty =/= belief. If you are, as you say, not arrogant enough to believe in your own personal "beliefs", you're an agnostic, not an atheist. Glad I could help out, Sport.

Btw, you still haven't posted in the poll thread, even though a few posters have replied, thus bumping it for you to see. Are you simply too tired to argue in a second thread that two distinct philosophies are actually one and the same? Or are you just aversive to multitasking? 😀

Way to butcher my quote, what I actually said was "I don't believe my own beliefs trump logical imperatives. Nice try though. I have voted in the poll thread, but I am about to go to work so I can't post in it right now.

It's part cute, part sad, that you can't see yourself beating around the bush. What you're really saying is you can't know for sure, which is called "agnosticism".

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
How the fuck are agnosticism and atheism mutually exclusive concepts? They're not dichotomous. Gnosticism and agnosticism are dichotomous. Theism and atheism are dichotomous. The dichotomies are orthogonal. Do you have the slightest ideas what these words mean?

You're a fucking moron.

Actually, someone who fails at logic as badly as you and gets so upset over being wrong about a word's definition is what I'd call a moron 🙂

1.) I'm not wrong about any definition.

2.) Definitions are not "logical," so even if I was wrong about a definition, it wouldn't be a logical failure.

But don't worry, you're in good company on this forum.

It seems unfortunately that I am regularly burdened with the correction of the brazen ignorance of the likes of you, in stark contrast to this claim of yours.

 

[ultra laser]

Christmas is a Consumerist holiday, not a Christian one. You don't need to believe in any deity to celebrate Christmas.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
How the fuck are agnosticism and atheism mutually exclusive concepts? They're not dichotomous. Gnosticism and agnosticism are dichotomous. Theism and atheism are dichotomous. The dichotomies are orthogonal. Do you have the slightest ideas what these words mean?

You're a fucking moron.

Actually, someone who fails at logic as badly as you and gets so upset over being wrong about a word's definition is what I'd call a moron 🙂

1.) I'm not wrong about any definition.

2.) Definitions are not "logical," so even if I was wrong about a definition, it wouldn't be a logical failure.

But don't worry, you're in good company on this forum.

It seems unfortunately that I am regularly burdened with the correction of the brazen ignorance of the likes of you, in stark contrast to this claim of yours.

So what's your story? You another indecisive kid who wants to be an atheist, but can't quite make up your mind? If so it's just a rebellion phase, humans naturally go through this, probably a genetic adaptation to help keep the gene pool spreading and not stagnating. You'll outgrow it and become a deist at the very least.

Otherwise you're just stupid, and unfortunately that isn't something people outgrow.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
How the fuck are agnosticism and atheism mutually exclusive concepts? They're not dichotomous. Gnosticism and agnosticism are dichotomous. Theism and atheism are dichotomous. The dichotomies are orthogonal. Do you have the slightest ideas what these words mean?

You're a fucking moron.

Actually, someone who fails at logic as badly as you and gets so upset over being wrong about a word's definition is what I'd call a moron 🙂

1.) I'm not wrong about any definition.

2.) Definitions are not "logical," so even if I was wrong about a definition, it wouldn't be a logical failure.

But don't worry, you're in good company on this forum.

It seems unfortunately that I am regularly burdened with the correction of the brazen ignorance of the likes of you, in stark contrast to this claim of yours.

So what's your story? You another indecisive kid who wants to be an atheist, but can't quite make up your mind? If so it's just a rebellion phase, humans naturally go through this, probably a genetic adaptation to help keep the gene pool spreading and not stagnating. You'll outgrow it and become a deist at the very least.

I'm an agnostic atheist. I have been for a considerable time, and I do not expect that position to change in the future.

Otherwise you're just stupid, and unfortunately that isn't something people outgrow.

Some people outgrow it. You do not seem to be one of those.

There remain several very important points that I have raised to which you have offered no material response. If you have any interest in preserving some appearance of intelligence and reasonability, you'll quit your puerile pugilism and actually engage them.

I'm not betting on you though.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
There remain several very important points that I have raised to which you have offered no material response. If you have any interest in preserving some appearance of intelligence and reasonability, you'll quit your puerile pugilism and actually engage them.

I'm not betting on you though.

CKent doesn't address arguments when he is shown to be wrong. He deflects with straw man arguments and ad hominem attacks. He thinks that he can shout people down by calling them "kids" and accusing them of being indecisive. He doesn't understand the basic logical rules behind the philosophy of science.