For second time, rockets found at UN school in Gaza

[Abwx]

1 cubic meter of concrete weight 2400 KGs, or 2.4 ton.
1 cubic meter at 3" (75 mm) thick yeild 3 meter square slab, or 1x1x1 meter tunnel with out floor slab.
600,000/2.4 = 250,000 cubic meters, or 250 km of 1x1 meter tunnel.

no need to use tons and density other than for resistance calculations and weightt of the structure, and of course cost of cement, sand and gravel are generaly sold by the m3.

You need 350kg (0.35 ton) of cement for 1m3 of concrete for heavy structures, (and about 60kg/m3 of iron), that is, you have 0.35 ton of cement for 1m3 (2.4 tons of concrete), cement is thus no more than 15% of the concrete total mass, rest is 1/3 sand and 2/3 gravel.

You need concrete for the wall and the ceilling only, no need for the ground, so you ll end with two 2 metres high walls and a 1 metre width ceilling, that is about 5m2 per metre of length, 1m3 is enough for a 1 metre long wall (that is about 0.2 metres thick = 8 inches) hence it s 1m3/metre of tunnel.

If your walls are 75mm thick (0.075 metre) a single m3 yield 2.66 metres of tunnel, wich reduce the cost notably below the numbers i estimated ,while still retaining the 2 metres high/one metre large format.

 

[GaiaHunter]

HRW is more of a CIA offspring than a real NGO, its purpose is to diabolize thoses who are not favourable to US and hence israeli policies.

I dont need such an agency to know that israelis criminals killed at least 650 civilians, the 200 children killed (and not mentionned by HRW isnt it) are aknowledgment that the zionists are killing palestinians because of their status of palestinian, that is, crime wars and genocidal behaviour, now tell me how much israeli mothers and children were killed by the Hamas and you ll understand that HRW is talking about what could happen (why not a big meteor while they are at it) and of course they are not talking about what actually happen, that is, real massacres of palestinians being "balanced" by hypothetical but highly improbable death of israelis "civilians" who have far more risks to be killed in a traffic accident than by the Hamas rockets...

HRW attacks Israel and USA way more than Palestine.

The fact that Hamas doesn't kill more Israeli civilians is due to the fact they are unable to get access to more advanced weaponry (in part due to Israel embargo) and the fact Israel walled themselves, avoiding much of the suicide bombing attacks.

Now, many different people have been killing themselves around that geographical region for thousands of years, so that creates long hard to forget grudges.

But Israel is a democracy and Arabs with Israeli citizenship have the right and even the Arabs that refused Israeli citizenship, but are permanent residents, have the right to vote in municipal elections.

In fact it seems most Arabs prefer to stay in a democracy than living in a future Palestinian state, even if they are a minority and we all know that minorities/foreigners always suffer some discrimination.

 

[Abwx]

HRW attacks Israel and USA way more than Palestine.

How could it be otherwise, these are the most criminal states on the world.

The fact that Hamas doesn't kill more Israeli civilians is due to the fact they are unable to get access to more advanced weaponry (in part due to Israel embargo) and the fact Israel walled themselves, avoiding much of the suicide bombing attacks.

Sucide bombing started by Hamas...after israelis started suicide operations, are you aware of this..??.No , you dont but for your insight they started such operations after a zionist extremist killed 30 palestinians while they were in prayers in a sacred place...

As for assuming that they re deliberatly targeting civilians you re just buying the israeli propaganda that cancel the fact that israeli miltary bases are sheltered by urban areas, isnt it....

In fact it seems most Arabs prefer to stay in a democracy than living in a future Palestinian state, even if they are a minority and we all know that minorities/foreigners always suffer some discrimination.

You are a fool, what democracy are you talking about.??

You call democracy a terrorist state that just killed over 650 palestinians civilians recently.??.

You call democracy a looting and stealing state that confiscate private property according to "religious" beliefs..?.

Keep on being mentaly enslaved as to judge people on their sayings while ignoring all their wrongdoings...

If i need to know what is the Hamas opinion and ideology i ask the Hamas, i wont ask the zionists spinners and other propagandists of the worst kind :

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28472311

 

[iGas]

no need to use tons and density other than for resistance calculations and weightt of the structure, and of course cost of cement, sand and gravel are generaly sold by the m3.

You need 350kg (0.35 ton) of cement for 1m3 of concrete for heavy structures, (and about 60kg/m3 of iron), that is, you have 0.35 ton of cement for 1m3 (2.4 tons of concrete), cement is thus no more than 15% of the concrete total mass, rest is 1/3 sand and 2/3 gravel.

You need concrete for the wall and the ceilling only, no need for the ground, so you ll end with two 2 metres high walls and a 1 metre width ceilling, that is about 5m2 per metre of length, 1m3 is enough for a 1 metre long wall (that is about 0.2 metres thick = 8 inches) hence it s 1m3/metre of tunnel.

If your walls are 75mm thick (0.075 metre) a single m3 yield 2.66 metres of tunnel, wich reduce the cost notably below the numbers i estimated ,while still retaining the 2 metres high/one metre large format.

Sorry, I screwed up the math. A cubic meter yield roungly 1x14 meter pad at 3" (75mm) thick.

 

[Abwx]

Sorry, I screwed up the math. A cubic meter yield roungly 1x14 meter pad at 3" (75mm) thick.

You caught on the principle anyway....

As easily deductible thoses tunnels cost is low and they are virtualy indestructible , the israelis fools are only destroying the exausts at a ridiculously high cost wich point to another agenda in disguise, that is, doing what they do the best, kill civilians to terrorise them nad make them give up their legitimate rights.

The zionists are fools if they think that their supremacist regime will survive endlessly, we had other such foolish claims of a 1000 years lasting reich, it wasnt too long ago....

 

[Harabec]

Your vile hatred of anything Jewish or Israeli is noted. When are you coming to join the fight?
I don't quite get how you are not banned yet with all the hate-speech that you're vomiting, but it is both amusing and sad to read.

 

[Abwx]

Your vile hatred of anything Jewish or Israeli is noted. When are you coming to join the fight?
I don't quite get how you are not banned yet with all the hate-speech that you're vomiting, but it is both amusing and sad to read.

Hypocrite that you are, the only hate speech i read in this forum is from people advocating for genocide against palestinians, i didnt read that you asked for banishment...

There s not a single palestinian supporter here, including me, that advocated for racial of ethnic killings but so entrenched is your supremacism that whoever criticize your criminal policies is automaticaly a hater whatever his sayings, not only the zionists are criminals but they are also some kind of wanabee dictators when it comes to comment the palestinians plight, in short others have no right to speak if it is not to support the zionists criminals, meanwhile palestinians civilians are killed daily, really , you are as pathetic as your mockery of a state that will, fortunately, vanish in the pages of time and will be only remembered as one of the last fascist and supremacist regime.

 

[GaiaHunter]

How could it be otherwise, these are the most criminal states on the world.




Sucide bombing started by Hamas...after israelis started suicide operations, are you aware of this..??.No , you dont but for your insight they started such operations after a zionist extremist killed 30 palestinians while they were in prayers in a sacred place...

As for assuming that they re deliberatly targeting civilians you re just buying the israeli propaganda that cancel the fact that israeli miltary bases are sheltered by urban areas, isnt it....




You are a fool, what democracy are you talking about.??

You call democracy a terrorist state that just killed over 650 palestinians civilians recently.??.

You call democracy a looting and stealing state that confiscate private property according to "religious" beliefs..?.

Keep on being mentaly enslaved as to judge people on their sayings while ignoring all their wrongdoings...

If i need to know what is the Hamas opinion and ideology i ask the Hamas, i wont ask the zionists spinners and other propagandists of the worst kind :

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28472311

The democracy that for example as seen a arab-israeli sing for Israel in the European song festival with a song with Arabic lyrics, a democracy where gay pride parades can exist and Jews can condemn their own country excessive behaviour.

For peace to exist the Hamas, that you deem as the moral pillar of the region, has to stop throwing rockets at Israel.

But that is not Hamas or your own objective.

 

[cabri]

You caught on the principle anyway....

As easily deductible thoses tunnels cost is low and they are virtualy indestructible , the israelis fools are only destroying the exausts at a ridiculously high cost wich point to another agenda in disguise, that is, doing what they do the best, kill civilians to terrorise them nad make them give up their legitimate rights.

The zionists are fools if they think that their supremacist regime will survive endlessly, we had other such foolish claims of a 1000 years lasting reich, it wasnt too long ago....

The tunnels are easy to destroy at the entrances via explosives if they are as A locations are found, flooding them with water, tear gas and/or smoke will work wonders. The exit/ventilation points will identify the access locations. Any interconnects will also be located.

And as for cost; those tunnels are costing the people in Gaza their lives and homes. There is a cost to rebuild the area that will not come from Hamas pockets.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

 

[werepossum]

lol +1

 

[Borealis7]

since you tried so hard to calculate it, here are some Tunnel numbers, courtesy of the IDF:

Abwx tags: #Israel, #IDF, #pigs, #nazis, #propaganda, #my_mother_didnt_hug_me_as_a_child.

 

[cabri]

since you tried so hard to calculate it, here are some Tunnel numbers, courtesy of the IDF:

Abwx tags: #Israel, #IDF, #pigs, #nazis, #propaganda, #my_mother_didnt_hug_me_as_a_child.

And the cost of now having to rebuild is more than initial construction costs.
Plus it is a diversion of the funds that would be improving their lot.

How many of the Hamas leadership are going to be inconvenienced by this?

 

[werepossum]

Something else that has been missed - it isn't just Israel. Egypt too is finding and destroying tunnels. http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-army-destroys-13-more-gaza-tunnels-093712884.html

Cairo (AFP) - Egypt's army said Sunday it has destroyed 13 more tunnels connecting the Sinai Peninsula to the Gaza Strip, taking to 1,639 the overall number it has laid waste to.

Cairo has poured troops into the peninsula to counter a rising insurgency since the ouster of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi last year, and its security operation involves the destruction of these tunnels.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas, which is the main power in Gaza, reportedly uses the tunnels to smuggle arms, food and money into the blockaded coastal enclave.

Israel has been waging a military offensive on Gaza since July 8 to halt rocket fire, and it launched a ground assault on July 17 aimed at destroying the network of tunnels.

It accuses Hamas of using the tunnels to attacks on Israel.

Ties between Hamas and Cairo have deteriorated since the Egyptian army deposed Morsi on July 3, 2013. Hamas is an affiliate of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood.

Cairo also accuses of Hamas of being involved in militant attacks inside Egypt, which have multiplied since Morsi was toppled.

Militant groups say their attacks are in retaliation for a police crackdown on Morsi's supporters. The crackdown has seen more than 1,400 people killed in street clashes.

Let's all contemplate how much better the lives of the Palestinians could be using the resources required to build 1,639 reinforced concrete tunnels.

Then let's all contemplate how great it is to be an American, where our illegal tunnels are merely for smuggling in our illegal drugs and illegal aliens who mostly just want to work hard and build a good life.

 

[Paul98]

since you tried so hard to calculate it, here are some Tunnel numbers, courtesy of the IDF:

Abwx tags: #Israel, #IDF, #pigs, #nazis, #propaganda, #my_mother_didnt_hug_me_as_a_child.

I would like to see similar photos with the amount the USA spends on stuff for their military...

 

[cabri]

I would like to see similar photos with the amount the USA spends on stuff for their military...

Also, like to see what the US is begging the world for $$ to spend on their military instead of civilian infrastructure.