For second time, rockets found at UN school in Gaza

[Abwx]

The Israeli military estimates that 600,000 tons of concrete—made by mixing cement with sand, gravel, and water—may have gone into the tunnels.

600 000 tons of concrete are enough to build 600 km of quite large tunnels so it s obvious that the number not only is hugely inflated but the cost is also inflated by the zionists propagandists, cost is 20-25$/metres for the horizontal part, the main one, even assuming cautiously 30$/metre those theorical , and non existent, 600km would cost 18 millions $, a surprisingly small amount, but hey, zionists propagandists are talking about two lanes tunnels for whole cars costs when they spread their usual BS

 

[Abwx]

You keep saying everything the palestinians do equates to a mosquito trying to sting an elephant

You got it, though you re denying it deseperatly.

Well guess what, rockets pack explosives and do damage property and lives.

How much property destroyed and how much lives , let s talk reality, not theory, on the other side how much properties destroyed in gaza along with the 700 killed..?.

You re voluntarly denying the reality and numbers, you see, when i do a debate i always take account of realities

It was not enough for you to seize their properties in Palestine, you re still slaughtering them because they have the guts to revendicate the rights usurped by a bunch of fascists colonialists, from whose you are a member.

Being on the wrong side you re perpetualy relying to deflections that have no substance once we look at what is occuring, that is, a ritual sacrifice of innocent palestinians to satisfy the israeli savage psyché wich is best displayed by ultra racists supremacists a la ovadia yosef, 700 000 israelis did follow this criminal s body when he died and this say that a majority of israelis are supremacists, only that for PR purposes they dont display it too often in front of the non israelis people.

 

[Borealis7]

here are your destroyed properties:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxtdXeLxwmc&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg


yesterday 3 israeli soldiers died in a house rigged with explosives which Hamas planted there. you see, Hamas is destroying it's own civilians houses! collective punishment! they must be nazi war criminals right??

this is war - if a house is used as base for attacking soldiers, it gets destroyed. simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n3yy7O5Zvo

700 000 israelis did follow this criminal s body when he died

no different than when any other leader dies, spiritual or otherwise.
Yasser Arafat's funeral, who was responsible for killing a heck of a lot more people than Ovadia Yosef ever was ( because he wasn't...)

keep trying though.

 

[schmuckley]

Please try to keep up.

JediYoda said Jews didn't need the USA... I'm calling bullshit on it. To have him say that, he is denying the holocaust.

I fully believe the Holocaust happened and that Jews died in camps.

..and how do you feel about the Jews dying in camps? :whiste:

 

[brandonb]

Now that is funny.

What missing Nukes?

Read.

http://globalresearch.ca/missing-nukes-treason-of-the-highest-order/7158

http://www.911review.org/Reports/Missing-Nuke.html

http://rt.com/usa/usa-lost-nukes-missiles/

 

[brandonb]

..and how do you feel about the Jews dying in camps? :whiste:

I have no love for the Jews. I see them no differently than I would ISIS or Hamas or any other terrorist type organization. Sure they might be our ally today, but they are just as ruthless as the other groups. If you have noticed, its a completely one sided relationship. We give, but we get nothing in return. Once we stop giving, our relationship will cease. I'm totally convinced of that.

But with that said...

I also have no love for death. Just because I have no love for the people, doesn't mean I have a desire to see them die, or be starved, or beaten into submission. I feel bad that the Jews died in the camp, that is not something I'd wish on anyone. I'd feel bad for any people in that position. Which probably explains why I support Palestine in the latest crisis. Israel is a much stronger foe, sure maybe Palestinians asked for it... But in the end, there is just going to be a lot of misery. That's sad.

 

[rommelrommel]

Read.

http://globalresearch.ca/missing-nukes-treason-of-the-highest-order/7158

Why the fook would the USA be trying to give Israel nukes in 2007? THey've had em since the 60's.

http://www.911review.org/Reports/Missing-Nuke.html

Not a credible source and again, what the fook does this have to do with Israel?

http://rt.com/usa/usa-lost-nukes-missiles/

Did you read more than the headline? lol

 

[Ns1]

The maze of tunnels and access shafts appears to weave its way throughout much of the Gaza Strip. Access points are reportedly found in homes, mosques, public buildings, and more. In the last week, two discoveries of missile caches have been found in UNRWA schools that most likely arrived via tunnel.

“UNRWA strongly condemns the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations” wrote Christopher Gunness, director of advocacy and strategic relations for UNRWA. Today, UN chief Ban Ki-Moon revealed his dismay at learning that at least one of the two caches has “disappeared” after being handed over by UNRWA to unidentified persons.

“The rockets were passed on to the government authorities in Gaza, which is Hamas," a senior Israeli official told the Times of Israel. "In other words, UNRWA handed to Hamas rockets that could well be shot at Israel.”

:whiste:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/24/israel-surprised-by-number-sophistication-gaza-tunnels/

 

[werepossum]

:whiste:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/24/israel-surprised-by-number-sophistication-gaza-tunnels/

I believe the original statement was:
UNRWA strongly condemns the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations instead of immediately shooting them at the Godless Jew pigs as Allah wills.

This is not a group that puts much effort into pretending to be without bias.

 

[zinfamous]

10% are for structural costs, they are the most efficient state structure in the world, no other state manage to pay its structure with 10% of its income, Hamas are not corrupted people like the Fatah or the israeli establishment.

wtf did I just read?

 

[Pulsar]

wtf did I just read?

Let me summarize.

Not only is Abwx an expert in construction, able to tell exactly how much concrete should be used to build things, he is also an expert in government structure, efficiency, and a number of other topics.

In addition, he is able to shrug off the targeting of nuclear facility by stating that rockets hitting it wouldn't damage it.

He also is the sole authority on nazis, facists, pseudo-humans, zionists, and any other demeaning title you'd like to think of.

He is truly a man of many talents.

 

[cabri]

600 000 tons of concrete are enough to build 600 km of quite large tunnels so it s obvious that the number not only is hugely inflated but the cost is also inflated by the zionists propagandists, cost is 20-25$/metres for the horizontal part, the main one, even assuming cautiously 30$/metre those theorical , and non existent, 600km would cost 18 millions $

Let me summarize.

Not only is Abwx an expert in construction, able to tell exactly how much concrete should be used to build things, he is also an expert in government structure, efficiency, and a number of other topics.
He is truly a man of many talents.

Abwx
Please provide sources for your numbers the cost (per cubic metre of concrete ), linear distance of the tunnels and the amount of cubic metres of concrete that have been used for the known published amount of tunnels.

 

[Whiskey16]

I believe the original statement was:
UNRWA strongly condemns the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations instead of immediately shooting them at the Godless Jew pigs as Allah wills.

This is not a group that puts much effort into pretending to be without bias.

Bias? The mandate is explicitly to protect and assist the refugees placed under its mandate, and only that -- it specifically recognises the missions of other agencies that engage on the political and legal fronts:

UNRWA - Who we Are

What is UNRWA’s mandate?

UNRWA was originally mandated to:

• "carry out direct relief and works programmes in collaboration with local governments"
• "consult with the Near Eastern governments concerning measures to be taken preparatory to the time when international assistance for relief and works projects is no longer available", and
• plan for the time when relief was no longer needed.

UNRWA’s contemporary mandate is to provide relief, human development and protection services to Palestine refugees and persons displaced by the 1967 hostilities in its fields of operation: Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, West Bank and the Gaza Strip. UNRWA’s mandate has been repeatedly renewed by the UN General Assembly. The current mandate runs until 30 June 2014.

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Final status issues and peace negotiations

Is UNRWA involved in the Middle East peace negotiations and in the discussions on a solution to the refugee issue?

No. UNRWA is a humanitarian agency and its mandate defines its role as one of providing services to the refugees. However, UNRWA highlights the international community's obligation to provide a just and durable solution for Palestine refugees.

werepossum, yes, as you are criminally inclined, and morally deposed, let's re-examine a deviant example of bias:

As UNRWA has a mission to assist and protect Palestinians, UNRWA is an explicit obstacle to your avenue to 'peace:'

Were it me, I'd have fled or killed enough Palestinians to make them flee.

If peace and security eventually require killing them all [Palestinians], they brought it on themselves. That's the beauty of democracy.

I won't apologize that you find this view disturbing, for it's a disturbing view. But at some point even Old Yeller had to be put down.

werepossum, you're a disgusting vile piece of shit. How dare you enter any notion's UNWRA's bias into any discussion? You are on the record to kill civilians -- CHILDREN!!! UNWRA workers are currently risking their lives protecting the very people you wish to "KILL."

 

[Abwx]

wtf did I just read?

You did read real numbers rather than some zionist provided ready to be consumed fairy tale.

Abwx
Please provide sources for your numbers the cost (per cubic metre of concrete ), linear distance of the tunnels and the amount of cubic metres of concrete that have been used for the known published amount of tunnels.

Cement cost 40-50$/ton and you need 350kg per m3 of concrete, and 1m3 of concrete per metre of tunnel assuming 1 metre width and 2 metres high with 0.2m thickness of walls, including gravel, sand and iron this wont be more than 20$/metre, digging cost is about 5$/metre on the horizontal part and 15-20$/metre for the vertical holes, that s assuming that a salary in Gaza is 500-600$/month, hence the labor costs are smaller than the materials costs contrary to so called devellopped countries where costs of labor are 65% of the total cost in the construction sector, i know it well since i worked in such a corporate in France where i had access to all possible numbers....

For the record it cost 25 000$/metre to the israelis to destroy thoses 30$/metre tunnels, rougly a 8000 ratio, and this say that thoses tunnels are only a pretense to stage yet more state terrorism and sadism, as is habitual with this fascist and supremacist pseudo state.

 

[MongGrel]

Why the fook would the USA be trying to give Israel nukes in 2007? THey've had em since the 60's

:biggrin:

:sneaky:

But not really that sneaky, man some people need to catch up a lot.

Like a whole lot.

 

[MongGrel]

You did read real numbers rather than some zionist provided ready to be consumed fairy tale.

I think you may have misinterpreted that a bit, you sound a bit like a tunnel engineer, heh.

 

[Harabec]

You did read real numbers rather than some zionist provided ready to be consumed fairy tale.




Cement cost 40-50$/ton and you need 350kg per m3 of concrete, and 1m3 of concrete per metre of tunnel assuming 1 metre width and 2 metres high with 0.2m thickness of walls, including gravel, sand and iron this wont be more than 20$/metre, digging cost is about 5$/metre on the horizontal part and 15-20$/metre for the vertical holes, that s assuming that a salary in Gaza is 500-600$/month, hence the labor costs are smaller than the materials costs contrary to so called devellopped countries where costs of labor are 65% of the total cost in the construction sector, i know it well since i worked in such a corporate in France where i had access to all possible numbers....

For the record it cost 25 000$/metre to the israelis to destroy thoses 30$/metre tunnels, rougly a 8000 ratio, and this say that thoses tunnels are only a pretense to stage yet more state terrorism and sadism, as is habitual with this fascist and supremacist pseudo state.

Those tunnels were dug into Israeli territory and their only goal is to commit acts of terror and murder.
What, you think Hamas is trying to smuggle care bears and flowers?

 

[Abwx]

Those tunnels were dug into Israeli territory and their only goal is to commit acts of terror and murder.
What, you think Hamas is trying to smuggle care bears and flowers?

Residents of Gaza hold 15% of the the legal property titles that covers all Palestine, the land around Gaza is theirs legaly speaking so they dug tunnels from Gaza to parts of their lands that are under illegal occupation.

As for the tunnels they use them to defend themselves , as proved by the 32 israelis soldiers recently killed, compare with the 700 palestinians killed with at least 90%, if not more according to numbers published daily, being civilians, so far about 200 children have been killed by these zionists fanatics and war criminals that you re desesperatly supporting, being likely one of them on the occasion.

 

[Abwx]

I think you may have misinterpreted that a bit, you sound a bit like a tunnel engineer, heh.

Not exactly, i did work on the construction sector a few years and had to estimate costs when biding in projects, for more practical experience i had to do the same for a house that was built by my parents in north africa where costs of labor are somewhat the same as in Gaza, for the record it did cost 45 000$ for a 166m2 house including a 36m2 covered balcony, and i m talking of a house using reinforced concrete for the structure, not one of thoses wood made US houses that are regularly torned apart by moderate winds...

 

[Harabec]

As for the tunnels they use them to defend themselves

I understand the usual hate, but I don't understand the level of revisionistic horse manure you're spewing here (while calling us names (even vampires, I liked that one) and not lifting a finger to actually help anyone in the ME). Even Hamas wouldn't try to argue such nonsense.

 

[Abwx]

I understand the usual hate, but I don't understand the level of revisionistic horse manure you're spewing here (while calling us names (even vampires, I liked that one)

It cant be negated that israelis are bloodthirsty and hatefull, otherwise why killing all thoses civilians.??.

Are you stupid enough to think that we should judge you according to your sayings rather than according to your acts..?.

It looks that you are so accustomed to gullible and hence easily fooled US public that you re ending believing your own lies, and on this respect you are the one that is a negationist since you re denying reality and are completely reversing it , reality is that Hamas killed almost only militaries while israelis did kill 700+ people, among wich were 200 children, 90-95% being civilians as we know that Hamas endured very few losses, main ones were when confronting directly the israeli occupation forces, Hamas is the most moral, that s backed by numbers, and numbers do not lie.

and not lifting a finger to actually help anyone in the ME). Even Hamas wouldn't try to argue such nonsense.

You are right, i should send them some money, no doubt it will be usefully invested, but anyway it is your constant diabolization of Hamas that is just plainly ridiculous and is actual non sense, Hamas is a political party that has the sense of political responsabilities and it is the only one in Palestine remaining non corrupted.

Zionists parties are corrupted by the definition since they are supremacists and racists parties, actualy theses are some kind of archaic parties that date back from the time or nationalists agressive european ideologies wich yielded fascism, nazism and of course zionism.

On the Palestinian side the Fatah although being historically legitimate has ended as an israeli subcontractor whose corrupted political leaders are just concerned with their own fate and fortune and do represent only themselves.

Only Hamas remain as a non supremacist and non racist and nor corrupted neither elitist party whose only concern is to get the palestinians their legitimate rights, they are not a religious party and they do not rely on religious treachery, like the zionists, to "legitimate" their rights, they dont need such tricks, they have legal and administrative private property titles that precede the israeli sovereignty, and you know that establishing a sovereignty does not allow to expell and confiscate lands and houses privately detained.

Juridicaly you have everything wrong, hence your constant need to kill palestinians as an illusion that you are actualy legitimate, really, you are a paranoid and foolish schizophrenic people torturing a defenseless and innocent people, it s terrible for the palestinians, they are the prey of a sadistic and perverse nation.

 

[GaiaHunter]

The Human Rights Watch doesn't agree that Hamas mostly target military objectives.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/09/palestineisrael-indiscriminate-palestinian-rocket-attacks

"(Jerusalem) – Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel appear to be indiscriminate or targeted at civilian population centers, which are war crimes, while Israeli attacks targeting homes may amount to prohibited collective punishment."

 

[Abwx]

The Humans Rights Watch doesn't agree that Hamas mostly target military objectives.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/09/palestineisrael-indiscriminate-palestinian-rocket-attacks

"(Jerusalem) – Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel appear to be indiscriminate or targeted at civilian population centers, which are war crimes, while Israeli attacks targeting homes may amount to prohibited collective punishment."

HRW is more of a CIA offspring than a real NGO, its purpose is to diabolize thoses who are not favourable to US and hence israeli policies.

I dont need such an agency to know that israelis criminals killed at least 650 civilians, the 200 children killed (and not mentionned by HRW isnt it) are aknowledgment that the zionists are killing palestinians because of their status of palestinian, that is, crime wars and genocidal behaviour, now tell me how much israeli mothers and children were killed by the Hamas and you ll understand that HRW is talking about what could happen (why not a big meteor while they are at it) and of course they are not talking about what actually happen, that is, real massacres of palestinians being "balanced" by hypothetical but highly improbable death of israelis "civilians" who have far more risks to be killed in a traffic accident than by the Hamas rockets...

 

[iGas]

na

 

[iGas]

It's not in Israels interest to have a well functioning Palestinian state within its borders. For one thing Israel would have to sort out their settler issues.

At the moment there's no functioning political solution that the Palestinians can aim for. They can renounce the struggle completely and continue to see their territory eaten away whilst being treated like second class citizens in a pseudo nation that they have no control over. Or they can continue to push back the only way they can.

Either way they probably aren't going to "win" but let's not be naive enough to say that if they give up violence then they would be treated as anything more than second class citizens by the Israeli authorities.

The money would stop flowing into the politician pockets from the US finacial aid if there is peace in Israel/Palestine/ME.