For Republicans and Tea Party folk, how to solve the US debt problem:

[sandorski]

Right, take away the people's money so they have more to pump int-

Wait a second...

The People's Money is needed to Pay for the People's Public Debt. This is why the problem never gets fixed, You and the Government are one and the same, but you thik there's a difference between the 2. Sorry, but that is incorrect.

 

[BoberFett]

You mean the last 30 years, that little old 12 trillion number, the vast majority of which is Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr?

Great Republican heroes there.

Reagan inherited Carter's economy, and a recession hit during Dubya's time at the wheel. I thought you Keynesians loved deficit spending during recessions? Shouldn't you be applauding them for their bold economy saving measures? Or is this just another one of your partisan tantrums?

 

[Zorkorist]

Abolish the Department's of Education, Labor, and Agriculture.

Abolish the Minimum Wage.

Cutting spending and increasing employment are NOT mutually exclusive, Zebo.

-John

 

[Bateluer]

You mean the last 30 years, that little old 12 trillion number, the vast majority of which is Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr?

Great Republican heroes there.

No, I mean in the last 5 decades. The national debt total has not decreased much at all since Eisenhower was in office. A few presidents have balanced the annual budget, but none have made any meaningful dent in the national debt.

The European nations passing these staunch austerity measures are going to be in MUCH better situations a decade from now than we will. Their debt will be significantly smaller while ours will be 200% of our GDP, or higher. Financial warfare is extremely effective, look up how the USA dealt with the British during the Suez Canal incident. We owned the bulk of their debt and threatened to call it in if they didn't withdraw. They had no choice but to withdraw or send themselves into a complete economic collapse. Unless our government pulls its head from its behind, and both parties take equal shares in this mess, the nations that hold our debt will be able to keep us on a very short leash.

 

[Zorkorist]

Hell, abolish 8 out of 10

Department of Agriculture (USDA)
Department of Commerce (DOC)
Department of Defense (DOD)
Department of Education (ED)
Department of Energy (DOE)
Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)
Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
Department of Justice (DOJ)
Department of Labor (DOL)
Department of State (DOS)
Department of the Interior (DOI)
Department of the Treasury
Department of Transportation (DOT)
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)

Abolish them all!

And abolish Minimum Wages.

-John

 

[Zebo]

Abolish the Department's of Education, Labor, and Agriculture.

Abolish the Minimum Wage.

Cutting spending and increasing employment are NOT mutually exclusive, Zebo.

-John

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Millions of jobs are dependent of deficit spending. 2/3 of people are dependent on govt spending in some form. Take just 44,000,000 on food stamps. Nix that and what happens to grocery stores, farmers, food manufacturers. All the administrators and whatnot.

Been this way for a long time too. at least 30 years we have traded production for debt to maintain lifestyle.

 

[Zorkorist]

These guys, Government, are just a heat-sink for money.

And they have demonstrated they don't have the slightest idea what they are doing.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Millions of jobs are dependent of deficit spending. 2/3 of people are dependent on govt spending in some form. Take just 44,000,000 on food stamps. Nix that and what happens to grocery stores, farmers, food manufacturers. All the administrators and whatnot.

Been this way for a long time too. at least 30 years we have traded production for debt to maintain lifestyle.

I do know what I am talking about Zebo, and maybe my ideas need refinement, but the principle is sound.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

And just so you know... 2/3rd's of the population are NOT dependent on Government spending.

I know I'm not.

Dependent is a very strong word, and I dispute your claim. Numbers I have heard are that 1/3rd of the economy is based on Government.

-John

 

[Bateluer]

And just so you know... 2/3rd's of the population are NOT dependent on Government spending.

I know I'm not.

Dependent is a very strong word, and I dispute your claim. Numbers I have heard are that 1/3rd of the economy is based on Government.

-John

This is a big part of what the Tea Party wants to correct. While the democratic party wants more people dependent on government spending, housing, food stamps, etc, true conservatives attempt to stop this. Unfortunately, too many GOP members in Congress are just as bone headed as their DNC counterparts.

 

[Zebo]

Total American Government spending is about $6.5 trillion dollars, 50% more than the GDP of China. Or 50% of our GDP. Much of that is deficit spending.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/index.php?year=2009

In so far as numbers go.

Over 21,000,000 people work for government....
Over 20,000,000 million people work in health care.....and half of which is paid for by govt.
10,000,000 more work for defense/other sundry defense security state contractors.
44,000,000 Americans stand in digital food lines receiving food stamps.
17,000,000 Americans receive unemployment checks.
45,000,000 more receive Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid

Plus millions more receive other forms of welfare/aid (farm, pensions and so forth)

If we added it up over 2/3 Americans are receiving government aid..... and we can account for a significant amount of WalMarts, Walgreen's, Drug Manufacturers, Health Care, Grocery and other sales that provide jobs in our economy to these people receiving govt aid.


Go ahead cut it and you'll see how close they are linked

I sell oil gas and liquor and a lot of my sales are to people dependent on people dependent on govt spending. We are all trapped by deficit spending.

 

[Tristicus]

The People's Money is needed to Pay for the People's Public Debt. This is why the problem never gets fixed, You and the Government are one and the same, but you thik there's a difference between the 2. Sorry, but that is incorrect.

No, no, no.
See, the difference here is that you and people that think as stupidly as yourself think that we are required to step back and take the bullshit government throws at us. See, you think that all the out of control spending they are doing should fall directly on us and is our fault. See, you believe in completely fucking over anyone but apparently your governmental overlords.

No, see, I on the other hand, realize that the government is scum. Scum that we have to put up with. And there are few people who actually know what the hell is going on. Few people who don't vote solely based on spur of the moment emotion. Few people who aren't goddamn retards and don't want to fuck up our country.

And unfortunately, your kind are the majority.

 

[sandorski]

No, no, no.
See, the difference here is that you and people that think as stupidly as yourself think that we are required to step back and take the bullshit government throws at us. See, you think that all the out of control spending they are doing should fall directly on us and is our fault. See, you believe in completely fucking over anyone but apparently your governmental overlords.

No, see, I on the other hand, realize that the government is scum. Scum that we have to put up with. And there are few people who actually know what the hell is going on. Few people who don't vote solely based on spur of the moment emotion. Few people who aren't goddamn retards and don't want to fuck up our country.

And unfortunately, your kind are the majority.

Sorry, you are incorrect. This is why the problem doesn't get fixed. Government is Your Responsibility, as its' Debt is also. You want to fix it or are you going to keep shirking your Responsibility?

 

[manimal]

Total American Government spending is about $6.5 trillion dollars, 50% more than the GDP of China. Or 50% of our GDP. Much of that is deficit spending.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/index.php?year=2009

In so far as numbers go.

Over 21,000,000 people work for government....
Over 20,000,000 million people work in health care.....and half of which is paid for by govt.
10,000,000 more work for defense/other sundry defense security state contractors.
44,000,000 Americans stand in digital food lines receiving food stamps.
17,000,000 Americans receive unemployment checks.
45,000,000 more receive Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid

Plus millions more receive other forms of welfare/aid (farm, pensions and so forth)

If we added it up over 2/3 Americans are receiving government aid..... and we can account for a significant amount of WalMarts, Walgreen's, Drug Manufacturers, Health Care, Grocery and other sales that provide jobs in our economy to these people receiving govt aid.


Go ahead cut it and you'll see how close they are linked

I sell oil gas and liquor and a lot of my sales are to people dependent on people dependent on govt spending. We are all trapped by deficit spending.

Good stuff zebo-

It began with the farm subsidies..

 

[trenchfoot]

There are a few people getting very much richer and much more powerful exploiting the very mess they created in the first place. Wow, what a coincidence.

Have them fix what they broke.....as if.

 

[Zebo]

The solution is posted on PP1 - short of killing off 100,000,000 million people where we would instantly save about $3 Trillion and basically cover just the Federal and state deficits. (its Halloween guys I can engage in macbre)

 

[Fenixgoon]

gradually reduce entitlement spending. eliminate SS over the next 40 years, that way young people like me can begin investing in order to prepare for 0 SS come our retirement.

allow the government to more easily hire/fire people. improve standards for new potential employees. i've heard stories of people getting job offers just because the bosses couldn't find anyone else and the person happened to be in the area (despite being not qualified enough or not interested).

medicare/medicaid are tricky because cutting spending clearly means you want people to die </sarcasm>. first, the system needs to be more efficient. reduce paperwork. by allowing people to be hired/fired, workforce quality should improve and yield better results.

welfare/unemployment - find out who's scamming and stop them.

education - sweet merfciful crap we have a cluster on our hands. first, education needs to be made a priority in this country (culturally, i mean). throwing money at a problem does *not* solve it.
allow physical discipline in schools. it's not the teacher's job to parent your kids - that's your job, parents!
reduce standardized testing - this means teachers can actually teach the subject and not the end of the year test (besides, if you get stuck with idiot kids, you get screwed by the testing). that being said, crap teachers need to be fired. tenure should not be handed out like candy.

i'm sure there's more i'd do...

 

[ShawnD1]

Yall should elect this woman as your president

edit:
I'll side with the republicans on this one. Destroy pretty much all federal programs. Everything should be run at a state level. Instead of having 1 giant loser country, there would be a mix of winner states and loser states.

 

[Zorkorist]

Total American Government spending is about $6.5 trillion dollars, 50&#37; more than the GDP of China. Or 50% of our GDP. Much of that is deficit spending.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/index.php?year=2009

In so far as numbers go.

Over 21,000,000 people work for government....
Over 20,000,000 million people work in health care.....and half of which is paid for by govt.
10,000,000 more work for defense/other sundry defense security state contractors.
44,000,000 Americans stand in digital food lines receiving food stamps.
17,000,000 Americans receive unemployment checks.
45,000,000 more receive Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid

Plus millions more receive other forms of welfare/aid (farm, pensions and so forth)

If we added it up over 2/3 Americans are receiving government aid..... and we can account for a significant amount of WalMarts, Walgreen's, Drug Manufacturers, Health Care, Grocery and other sales that provide jobs in our economy to these people receiving govt aid.


Go ahead cut it and you'll see how close they are linked

I sell oil gas and liquor and a lot of my sales are to people dependent on people dependent on govt spending. We are all trapped by deficit spending.

We aren't trapped by deficit spending, nor are we trapped by Government.

The people that frequent your store will probably still need to frequent your store.

One has to eat, you, know?

And Goverment has absolutely nothing to do with eating.

Other than to tax it.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

So, it's quite easy, actually.

Stop Government spending, and abolish the minimum wage.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

The only hard thing, is your, opposition to it.

-John

 

[LunarRay]

Welfare to able bodied people without a working requirement is a huge problem creating deadbeats brats and degrading job skills. I've met people who are unemployable even to clean toilets. I'm not for cutting programs but making it worthwhile to get off instead. And even if they don't at least communities should be clean and whatnot.

Isolate in steps... stimulate demand... create production... enable folks on 'welfare', SDI/SSI to have this place to be incentivized to...
What was it... 140,000 jobs needed being created a month to keep up with the workforce demands?

Dump NAFTA! Dump 'One World Order'.... Enable the rich to make money off investing in America....

The wealthy owe much more than they have to the folks who enabled their wealth and ergo, they owe the vast majority of the National Debt...

Isolate and stimulate demand... that is the only way to avoid ole Karl's prediction....

 

[LunarRay]

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Millions of jobs are dependent of deficit spending. 2/3 of people are dependent on govt spending in some form. Take just 44,000,000 on food stamps. Nix that and what happens to grocery stores, farmers, food manufacturers. All the administrators and whatnot.

Been this way for a long time too. at least 30 years we have traded production for debt to maintain lifestyle.

It warms my heart to know there are folks who really do understand this social science...
There are but a few atm who'd opine in the chambers of Congress such sentiments... Why don't you run for office?

 

[Zebo]

Isolate in steps... stimulate demand... create production... enable folks on 'welfare', SDI/SSI to have this place to be incentivized to...
What was it... 140,000 jobs needed being created a month to keep up with the workforce demands?

Dump NAFTA! Dump 'One World Order'.... Enable the rich to make money off investing in America....

The wealthy owe much more than they have to the folks who enabled their wealth and ergo, they owe the vast majority of the National Debt...

Isolate and stimulate demand... that is the only way to avoid ole Karl's prediction....

They own the national debt you mean. That's the funniest part of all. We gave them tax breaks while they offshored our jobs and instead borrowed from them to pay for what we want yesterday. Essentially all are future earnings, or a good percentage of them, to the degree we have them they are entitled to by force of law. Very little of the 55 trillion in debt we are is foreign bond/stock holders.

 

[LunarRay]

So, it's quite easy, actually.

Stop Government spending, and abolish the minimum wage.

-John

You first must accept the rules this Nation lives by.
You cannot stop Government spending and not create an abyss from which no amount of effort can reverse...
Fiscal Policy must deficit spend and spend and spend... It simply must!!!

Remember, Inflation occurs only to the extent there is more money in the market than needed and my plan needs much more money than the presses could print... it is all internal.... cept the bit that the Saudi hold... never did care bout them or the China folks when Americans are hungry...

If I could call the shots we'd be spending trillions and trillions in infrastructure while closing our borders in progressive steps... We'd have more jobs than bodies... Who cares if the lender don't lend.... the only reason we want the lender is to insure an agenda of our One World Order... gotta run the show, don't cha know.