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DaveSimmons

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More seriously, I'd support mandatory contraceptive implants for anyone on state or federal welfare, for as long as they stay on it. That would whittle down the welfare families within a couple of generations.

If you want to have kids, you should be able to afford them.
 

Infohawk

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More seriously, I'd support mandatory contraceptive implants for anyone on state or federal welfare, for as long as they stay on it. That would whittle down the welfare families within a couple of generations.

So you think that classes are constant? You don't think some people become richer and some become poorer?
 

Lithium381

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More seriously, I'd support mandatory contraceptive implants for anyone on state or federal welfare, for as long as they stay on it. That would whittle down the welfare families within a couple of generations.

If you want to have kids, you should be able to afford them.

who is going to pay for all the contraceptives?
 

Charles Kozierok

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More seriously, I'd support mandatory contraceptive implants for anyone on state or federal welfare, for as long as they stay on it. That would whittle down the welfare families within a couple of generations.

You know what else would work? Sex-segregated concentration camps. This would have the added benefit of stimulating the economy for barbed-wire and attack dog training companies.

Or if people on welfare have extra kids, why not just use the kids as a food source? Kill two birds with one stone.
 

Jhhnn

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You know what else would work? Sex-segregated concentration camps. This would have the added benefit of stimulating the economy for barbed-wire and attack dog training companies.

Or if people on welfare have extra kids, why not just use the kids as a food source? Kill two birds with one stone.

Privatized sex-segregated concentration camps, please! Smaller, less intrusive govt & bigger more intrusive govt contractors is the true conservative ideal...
 

nehalem256

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You know what else would work? Sex-segregated concentration camps. This would have the added benefit of stimulating the economy for barbed-wire and attack dog training companies.

Or if people on welfare have extra kids, why not just use the kids as a food source? Kill two birds with one stone.

So based on sarcasm it would seem you approve of people on welfare having children.

Are you insane?
 

DaveSimmons

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You know what else would work? Sex-segregated concentration camps. This would have the added benefit of stimulating the economy for barbed-wire and attack dog training companies.

Or if people on welfare have extra kids, why not just use the kids as a food source? Kill two birds with one stone.

Godwinned in two, nice work.

If a person is living on taxpayer handouts, why should they be allowed to have kids that they can't support? Accepting government handouts is a choice they make.

They can:
a) not accept handouts, take odd jobs or find others besides taxpayers to leech off, have kids they can't afford
b) take the taxpayer-funded handouts, but not have kids while on the dole. The contraceptive implant would be removable, I'm not talking about sterilization.
c) claw themselves up into earning a decent living, and have kids they can afford and who will grow up with productive parent(s) as role models.

Their choice. Freedom.

So you think that classes are constant? You don't think some people become richer and some become poorer?

Of course I think people can improve themselves. The contraceptive implant would only be temporary while I'm buying their food for them. If they want to have kids, they can earn the right to have them at any time.

"Would you like to know more?"
 
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blackangst1

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In a modern society, people are very much dependent on each other, regardless of libertopian ravings to the contrary. We have but to examine the artifacts of modern life to understand that. The more advanced a society becomes, the more that becomes the truth.

It's all bound together by divisions of labor, specializations, and commerce.

The other part of it that the usual suspects refuse to recognize is that food, in this country, has absolutely no scarcity whatsoever, other than that caused by maldistribution. We throw away more food than we give away, and the act of doing both is actually beneficial to food producers. Whatever food the govt distributes for free is money in the pockets of those who produce it.

The other part of it all that's deliberately ignored is that the sacred Free Market has tripped all over itself in the past wrt food. An over supply of food in the early 1930's led to precipitous price drops and a situation where millions went hungry because there was no profit in harvesting & bringing crops to market.

The so-called Free Market system has also failed to distribute rewards in a fashion where it supports itself in terms of providing for middle class incomes in the face of ever increasing living expenses. Median families & below would be earning ~40% more today if the income distribution curve of 1980 had been maintained, while the top 1% would be earning about half of what they now do. Food stamps don't even begin to make up for that shift of income to the tippy top.

Food stamps? Socialism? Of course it is, but it's piss poor socialism compared to what we had prior to Saint Ronnie, when unions pushed wages up & higher taxes at the top kept the rich & well connected from taking the whole pie, when offshoring was just a gleam in the eye of American capitalists & when PEG's hadn't discovered just how profitable the looting of otherwise healthy companies really was.

Can't figure it out? You're not supposed to, sillies. That's why you've been given Ideologues & pundits to worship, slogans to chant & a sense of moral superiority where there is none. Think you're safe, that you're some sort of special snowflake because you sing along with the choir? Hardly. Whether you realize it or not, you're on the hit list- they'll get to you eventually, and it'll be your own fault, but not in ways you'll ever recognize.

So, uhh, you have a job & resent paying taxes at all? So did a lot of other people before too many became enthralled by the ideology of greed, before they came to worship wealth & those who possess it as false Gods, before "I got mine -Screw you!" became the slogan of too many people who don't realize that we depend on each other more than they're willing to admit.

Although I agree with much of what you wrote, I bolded the most interesting thing you said. Ironic, dontcha think?
 

alzan

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Stupid is when you get people dependant on a life time of handouts. Because the choice between working and not is made tens of thosands of times easier.

I'm all for helping people out from time to time. I'm completly against cradle to grave handouts. At some point, capable people should be allowed to sink or swim on their own merits, rather then continue to exist as a parasite of the work of others.

I agree; I'm completely against the CEO's and execs of publicly held companies living off the backs of the companies workers. Although I'm not really sure that CEO's and other execs are capable, of anything. But I am sure that they have little, if any merit.
 

alkemyst

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The rich would be insane to get rid of food stamps. No one has ever revolted because they couldn't get an iPad. But if someone is starving? They'll kill your whole family without thinking twice. Food stamps allow the rich to fleece the poor without the serious threat of revolution. Yes, I'm being somewhat tongue in cheek.

Abuse of the food stamp system infuriates me because I've watched every single one of my friends do it. But the alternatives are much worse. We can't get rid of food stamps when the minimum wage isn't enough to cover housing and food in many places in the country. It just doesn't work.

Why don't you turn those dead beats in?

Minimum wage is not about living on your own.
 

peonyu

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More seriously, I'd support mandatory contraceptive implants for anyone on state or federal welfare, for as long as they stay on it. That would whittle down the welfare families within a couple of generations.

If you want to have kids, you should be able to afford them.

But But but...I get more money for each additional kid i plop out. How is that fair to ME? I work for my welfare by taking care of my 9 kids who each have a different baby daddy who is no longer around. Thats hard work, I earned it! /sarcasm...
 

peonyu

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Privatized sex-segregated concentration camps, please! Smaller, less intrusive govt & bigger more intrusive govt contractors is the true conservative ideal...

How about when you sign up for welfare, if you are able bodied you also must sign up for the US army reserves. If there is a huge conflict you get to defend the country that has been feeding and clothing your ass for free for the past X amount of years [if not decades].

Or how about contract work. Say a local road is damaged and again you are able bodied and capable of helping repair the road. Welfare recipients should help, I see no reason why a able-bodied, healthy adult male who is living off of other people's money should have no obligations at all. As it is, by using welfare they should contribute in more ways that many do now [which is just continuing to use the system and not look for work etc].
 

alkemyst

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In reality, I think once the US signs up the poor to fight wars we will finally get reform in this issue.
 

CitizenKain

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Godwinned in two, nice work.

If a person is living on taxpayer handouts, why should they be allowed to have kids that they can't support? Accepting government handouts is a choice they make.

They can:
a) not accept handouts, take odd jobs or find others besides taxpayers to leech off, have kids they can't afford
b) take the taxpayer-funded handouts, but not have kids while on the dole. The contraceptive implant would be removable, I'm not talking about sterilization.
c) claw themselves up into earning a decent living, and have kids they can afford and who will grow up with productive parent(s) as role models.

Their choice. Freedom.

This applies to military as well right? They are living off my money and contributing jack shit, so I'd hope so.
 

nehalem256

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This applies to military as well right? They are living off my money and contributing jack shit, so I'd hope so.

Contraception should be mandatory for women in the military. A pregnant woman is not capable of fighting. It is really no different than a man getting super fat from eating at a buffet all the time... which would not be allowed.
 

Darwin333

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You are mistakenly assuming that hungry people are going to get off their lazy butts and march across town and steal food from the rich.

Instead they will steal from/eat their neighbors. Kinda like how it works now.

You are correct...... right up until their neighbors run out of food.
 

umbrella39

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Jun 11, 2004
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At some point, capable people should be allowed to sink or swim on their own merits, rather then continue to exist as a parasite of the work of others.

So then you are for the AHA then? You just explained one of the biggest problems facing the costs us insured folks pay every year... capable people able to afford their own health insurance but who choose to opt out and exist as parasites off the work of others like each and every one of us involved in their direct patient care who get stiffed for the bill. Then we pass on the misery to everyone in the form of higher costs. Rinse, wash, repeat...