Food is going up. WAY up.

[piasabird]

I agree on the sizes. Things like Little Smokies showed up in a package half the size. Ice Cream definitely in smaller sizes. I barely eat any dairy products with the exception of Cheese. Dont drink Alcoholic beverages and dont use tobacco products. Most of the money from tobacco like cigarettes is federal and state taxes. A pack of cigarettes costs like 50 cents to make, and all the rest is taxes. What gives the government the right to just keep increasing taxes on things like Tobacco, alcohol, and Gasoline? Wait till you have to start paying more for Health Care due to obammacare. Then if you dont have medical insurance, you have to pay a fine.

 

[waggy]

Duh. They said "DO NOT PANIC BUY FOOD"

Which means buy all the food while everyone else is't panicking.

it wouldn't have matterd. nobody said there would be a shortage of food. just the prices were going to get far higher. mainly meats.

prices have shot up and package sizes have shrunk.

 

[Chiropteran]

the chart is silly. some families will be FAR higher and some far less.

We are far less and we rarely eat out. BUT we also make most thigns from scratch. We don't eat a lot of boxed dinners. takes more time but taste better and cost less.

The chart is actual real data.

"some families will be FAR higher and some far less"

Wow, you figured that out all by yourself? You must be a freaking genius, I bet the USDA would like to hire someone like you to help clear up their flawed charts.

Oh wait, whats this? There is thrifty, low-cost, moderate, and liberal prices shown. The USDA is as smart as waggy, look at that. The families that eat more expensive meats and such fall into the liberal category. The ones that try to get by on rice and noodles fall into the thrifty category. It's all irrelevant though, because the change from ANY category from 2012 to 2013 is around 1%.

Your opinion is useless, and probably wrong, just like you were wrong at the start of the thread.

 

[lxskllr]

What gives the government the right to just keep increasing taxes on things like Tobacco, alcohol, and Gasoline? Wait till you have to start paying more for Health Care due to obammacare. Then if you dont have medical insurance, you have to pay a fine.

Lack of defense because people can't think past their petty interests. It's the American way. If it doesn't affect me, fuck you; freedom be damned.

 

[waggy]

The chart is actual real data.

"some families will be FAR higher and some far less"

Wow, you figured that out all by yourself? You must be a freaking genius, I bet the USDA would like to hire someone like you to help clear up their flawed charts.

Oh wait, whats this? There is thrifty, low-cost, moderate, and liberal prices shown. The USDA is as smart as waggy, look at that. The families that eat more expensive meats and such fall into the liberal category. The ones that try to get by on rice and noodles fall into the thrifty category. It's all irrelevant though, because the change from ANY category from 2012 to 2013 is around 1%.

Your opinion is useless, and probably wrong, just like you were wrong at the start of the thread.

/facepalm


LOL

 

[Chiropteran]

I agree on the sizes. Things like Little Smokies showed up in a package half the size. Ice Cream definitely in smaller sizes. I barely eat any dairy products with the exception of Cheese. D

This is completely true. And it also started several years ago, and has NOTHING to do with the drought or the failure of the corn crop last year. Nothing at all.

Prices change, I never disputed that. But the idea that prices would double or triple in one year because of some dumb corn that no humans even eat? Not likely. And now, proven to be untrue.

 

[Mixolydian]

Why is this thread still alive?

 

[jaedaliu]

$2.90 lb for ground beef? wow thats nearly 2 bucks cheaper then i have seen it around here (wich it was about the price you list right over a year ago).

yeah water really has not gone up much.

Food costs went up by ~25% for me over 1 week. That was the week we moved from California to New England. Sunzt's in southern california, everything other than gas and housing is cheaper there.

 

[ElFenix]

no. im saying you cant use that chart for every family in the US.

common sense should tell you that..

it's meant to be a consistent basis for comparison. common sense should have told you that.

 

[waggy]

it's meant to be a consistent basis for comparison. common sense should have told you that.

my issue those numbers aren't even close to what people use. even useing there differences they claim

shrug. take that for what you want heh

 

[Engineer]

Article from today

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/no-food-inflation-look-lettuce-114053293.html?l=1

"The things that people most commonly shop for are increasing in price much more quickly than that CPI basket inflation number we're used to seeing," says Colas, singling out the spike in staples such as lettuce (+24%) and apples (+11%) in a recent note to clients.

"Our heavily shopped basket is rising much more quickly than the baseline numbers [used by the government]," he says. The point is that "inflation is ultimately a reflection of your personal situation; people are going to have very wide perceptions of what their inflationary situation is."

 

[Doppel]

Why is this thread still alive?

Apparently Chiropteran didn't realize how fucking regarded he sounded in regard to irritating the entire US and wanted to make sure everybody was exposed to it. If only the farmers in this country had access to his wisdom they could mine bitcoins and buy irrigation equipment and water rights with their bitcoins and everybody wins.

 

[PingSpike]

I suppose we can debate the validity of the DoA's numbers. That said they still hold a whole lot more weight than a handful of anecdotal evidence IMO.

 

[lxskllr]

I suppose we can debate the validity of the DoA's numbers. That said they still hold a whole lot more weight than a handful of anecdotal evidence IMO.

Their numbers don't have to right as long as they're consistent. All we're doing is comparing time periods, and whether it's based on $10, or $10m is irrelevant as long as they can be compared.

 

[techs]

The USDA doesn't take into the account substitution of less expensive ingredients. I also wonder if it takes into account reduced sizes.

 

[Engineer]

I also wonder if it takes into account reduced sizes.

Surely, we are to the point that prices are reflected in size changes.

Speaking of which, the new Angel Soft toilet paper "regular size roll" package might as well be called "snack size". Hell, you'll have to use the plastic and the center paper roller to wipe your ass as there isn't enough paper on the rolls to do it.

 

[waggy]

Article from today

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/no-food-inflation-look-lettuce-114053293.html?l=1

i am surprised that the cost of fruit has gone up as much as it has. My kids eat a ton of fresh fruit and veggies.

 

[PingSpike]

The USDA doesn't take into the account substitution of less expensive ingredients. I also wonder if it takes into account reduced sizes.

Supply and demand should automatically take that into account. Beef gets to expensive, I switch to ground turkey. I didn't buy the beef, demand went down. IIRC the government statistics for inflation actually do perform some magic math to account for substitutions...even though it should already be automatically occurring and nothing needs to be done to account for it. But you can't fudge numbers if you don't directly control them.

Not sure about the sizes. Its no secret to me many things have shrunk. They should take that into account but it may be politically more useful to simply ignore this phenomenon where possible. They'd have a hard time ignoring this if the items were measured by weight/volume to begin with though.

 

[sunzt]

Food costs went up by ~25% for me over 1 week. That was the week we moved from California to New England. Sunzt's in southern california, everything other than gas and housing is cheaper there.

I'm actually in to the mid-atlantic. I'll tell you this though....

Beef, produce, corn based foods at supermarkets such as safeway, kroger, vons, giant, etc have gone UP... A LOT as waggy said... close to $4 for a lb of ground beef in my area. However, the fact that costco still maintains their price tells me that it's those supermarkets jacking up their prices to increases sales.

Even at costco, you can get huge bags of chips almost double the size of the supermarket "party" size for about 4-5 dollars.

Basically, if you know where to shop, food inflation is miniscule compared to last year. If you go to asian stores for produce, you would not notice any inflation compared to last year. Don't go to american grocery stores for produce.

 

[MaxPayne63]

Apparently Chiropteran didn't realize how fucking regarded he sounded in regard to irritating the entire US and wanted to make sure everybody was exposed to it. If only the farmers in this country had access to his wisdom they could mine bitcoins and buy irrigation equipment and water rights with their bitcoins and everybody wins.

ROFL I didn't even see that.

I think it would take something like a decade straight of drought for just the installation of irrigation on my land to break even (basic run of the mill generic corn and soybeans). That's just the installation costs, too, not the cost of using/maintaining an irrigation system.

Fuck that - I'll take the crop insurance in bad years.

 

[xeemzor]

Why is this thread still alive?

We all need a little stupidity in our lives to keep things interesting.

 

[Chiropteran]

You guys with the irrigation comments, you need to understand the context. That was in response to claims that EVERYTHING WOULD TRIPLE IN PRICE. Like, literally everything. Nobody was willing to admit that this was an absurd case of FUD, or a gross exaggeration. If you are going to claim the all expenses for everyone is going to triple because of some drought, it stood to reason that irrigation, no matter how costly, was probably going to be a cheaper option than letting everything in the world triple in cost over a year.

Of course the irrigation makes no sense given the reality in which the loss of a corn crop didn't magically triple the price of everything else, but last year when this thread was started nobody was willing to admit that the entire basis of the thread was false.

 

[Svnla]

I eat very little meat. All I buy is Spam, Italian sausage, and rarely hotdogs. I'll eat meat out occasionally, or when I eat at my mother's house.

A lot of what I get is variably priced anyway, so it's hard to say when it's gone up by $x. Maybe it's my shopping technique. I buy stuff when it's available at a price I like, rather than buying what I want regardless of price.

Come on down here and I will cook you a mean steak and pull you onto the dark side of meat eaters.

I usually do my grocery shopping once a week and buy things that are on sale in the store circulations. Things are going up over the government official inflation figures for sure.

One more thing. Combo meals from fast food joins are up. McD, Wendys, Burger King, Taco Bell (top 4 that I eat at the most) are all raised their prices.

Using Soda price to show food inflation is pretty stupid. It varies so much from week to week due to frequent sales.

This week pepsi is on sale for $2.50/12pack at Target. I buy a lot of pepsi, it is the same price as it was 5 years ago.

While it is true that the 12 packs are still the same as last year when they are on sale -$3 per 12 paks but you have to buy at least 4 of the 12 paks and not just one (not as frequently as it used to be) but the prices of other soda are up. That's why I specifically mentioned COKE brand in my previous reply and not Pepsi. Cokes in 12 paks have never been below the $3 mark for the last few years around here.

 

[natto fire]

Wow this thread reeks of stale piss, good thing you dumbasses are adding some fresh piss though!

 

[Doppel]

ROFL I didn't even see that.

I think it would take something like a decade straight of drought for just the installation of irrigation on my land to break even (basic run of the mill generic corn and soybeans). That's just the installation costs, too, not the cost of using/maintaining an irrigation system.

Fuck that - I'll take the crop insurance in bad years.

Hahaha my autocorrect on phone was a Freudian slip.

Virtually nobody said that pices would triple.