Food is going up. WAY up.

[Chiropteran]

If you can't answer the question you can just admit you don't know. Telling me to take a class is just a lame attempt to save face when you know you are wrong.

 

[Capt Caveman]

If irrigation is cheaper than tripling the price of ZOMG EVERYTHING like some of the doomsday preachers in this thread, we should have had irrigation.

Progress is suppose to improve things in time, not make them worse. If our farming techniques of a thousand years ago were drought resistant, why the fuck did we change them to what we use now?

For only those lucky enough to be close to a water source. You have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[Chiropteran]

I don't think you understand the scale at which we're talking here. Methods that work for small farming communities don't work as well when the scale is about 10000x bigger.

I don't think you understand my question, otherwise you would quit trying to dodge it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

Repeating the past. Good job farmers.

Hint: if an area has no access to water, probably a dumb place to grow crops that die in droughts.

 

[Chiropteran]

For only those lucky enough to be close to a water source. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Lucky? So you pick your farm's location randomly, and only the lucky few get to farm near water? Luck has nothing to do with it.

 

[waggy]

Same place everyone gets water? I'm sure it's a huge hardship, but apparently the dead corn is a super disaster according to some of the posters in this thread.

If irrigation is cheaper than tripling the price of ZOMG EVERYTHING like some of the doomsday preachers in this thread, we should have had irrigation.




Progress is suppose to improve things in time, not make them worse. If our farming techniques of a thousand years ago were drought resistant, why the fuck did we change them to what we use now?



Yeah, and drunk drivers can nearly always drive home without killing anyone, but once in awhile it happens, so we don't drive drunk. Why are the farmers allowed to farm without irrigation? I don't care if it's a small risk, if it's a big deal than we shouldn't take the chance.

wow ignorance and straw men.


You have NO clue how much farmland and how expensive it would be to build and maintane.

Building something that large would cost a lot. how much? no clue but wouldn't expect it to be less then a few trillion. why? the amount of water around the midwest (not much) and the amount of farmland (fucking huge) just don't work out well.



Then the fact this year is rare. 99% of the time the rain is more then enough. so the irrigation system is not getting used. BUT it still needs to be maintained. the cost of that is going to be expensive.

over all loseing 1 season is going to be more cost effective then trying to build the massive irrigation system you want (witch would not be used 99% of the time)..

 

[waggy]

I don't think you understand the scale at which we're talking here. Methods that work for small farming communities don't work as well when the scale is about 10000x bigger.

10000x? try 10000000x time bigger. its nto just a small section its teh WHOLE MIDEWEST. from colorado to ILL, from the far north (almost to canada) to the gulf.

you can't do it. just not going to work

 

[Capt Caveman]

If you can't answer the question you can just admit you don't know. Telling me to take a class is just a lame attempt to save face when you know you are wrong.

B/c so far, you can't seem to grasp or understand anything that others have posted. You regurgitate the same thing about irrigation being the answer when it's not possible for the vast majority of farm land in this country.

You're the one that thinks the drought has no effect on grass-fed cattle. That says it all on how clueless you are.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I don't think you understand my question, otherwise you would quit trying to dodge it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

Repeating the past. Good job farmers.

Hint: if an area has no access to water, probably a dumb place to grow crops that die in droughts.

You DO realize that most of the United States does NOT have access to a river with free flowing fresh water. Also, most farmland DOES have access to a form of water, that is not simply "irrigatable", a.k.a the water table. However, in a drought times, the water table drops so far that they cannot access this water. its the same situation as if a river dries up in a drought. Are the farmers that relied on that river dumb for not having backup sources of water?

 

[surfsatwerk]

10000x? try 10000000x time bigger. its nto just a small section its teh WHOLE MIDEWEST. from colorado to ILL, from the far north (almost to canada) to the gulf.

you can't do it. just not going to work

We would drain the great lakes in a season or two.

 

[darkxshade]

You guys are getting trolled so bad

 

[Chiropteran]

wow ignorance and straw men.


You have NO clue how much farmland and how expensive it would be to build and maintane.

I don't need to know.

All I need to know is this: does it cost more than a tripling OF EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. Because apparently this crisis is going to triple the cost of everything.

If it's less than that, no matter how expensive it is, it's worth it.

Or, maybe... just maybe mind you, the doomsday predictions ARE WRONG. Life will go on as normal, some food prices might rise a little, but people will just quit eating those foods and the prices will go back down.

 

[waggy]

You guys are getting trolled so bad

I think so. usually his post aren't so ignorant.

 

[techs]

But the drought is going to MAKE EVERYTHING COST TRIPLE! Surely the cost to irrigate is less than tripling the expenses of every living human on the planet earth.

Either

A: people are exagerrating about the negatives of this corn crop failure,

-or -

B: the farmers and/or US government are incredibly stupid and shortsighted to not pay the price for irrigation, as high as it might be, because it can't possibly be as expensive as tripling the living expenses of the entire planet.

One or the other is true. I think it's A

I'm just flabbergasted. I can't tell if you are serious.

First off, there is not enough water to irrigate all farmland. As it is many cities are struggling to meet water demand during the drought.

If there is sufficient water to grow your crops 9 out of 10 years it doesn't make economic sense to even set up an irrigation system since accepting the one year loss is more economical. However, what is happening now is that so many farms are failing at once it affecting not just some farmers but the entire farming community and the food supply of affordable food.

As to the US government paying to irrigate farms, well, what communist country do you live in? The US used to keep stores of grain years ago and release them to moderate the market but that is pretty much a thing of the past.

As to exaggerating the effect of the drought on food prices, if anything it may underestimating them.

There is not a simple formula for what 10 percent less corn will do to the price of foods. Its far more complicated. However, one thing that we know from other periods of low farm output is that prices start increasing exponentially. In other words if a 10 percent drop in output were to increase prices by 10 percent a 20 percent drop increases prices by 80 percent. We are now entering a virtually unknown area where the shortfall will so great in a market that is so tight world wide.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I don't think you understand my question, otherwise you would quit trying to dodge it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

Repeating the past. Good job farmers.

Hint: if an area has no access to water, probably a dumb place to grow crops that die in droughts.

Then we'd have very little food here in the US and need to export all of our food. Get a clue please.

 

[Chiropteran]

Are the farmers that relied on that river dumb for not having backup sources of water?

If their mistake raises the price of everything in the world by triple, hell yes. Not worth taking chances with destroying the entire world economy.

On the other hand, if the results of this drought are less significant,i.e. gotta skip eating corn and chicken a few weeks next year, then it's not so dumb.

 

[jupiter57]

On a side note, I have about 90lbs of beef in my freezer already. I'm good.

HA!
I've got close to 100,000 Lbs. on the hoof!
With the market down, I won't be selling any anytime soon.

This is just the breeding Cows.
There are 17 calves not in this pic, plus 25 800-900# Steers in the field on the left.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I don't need to know.

All I need to know is this: does it cost more than a tripling OF EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. Because apparently this crisis is going to triple the cost of everything.

If it's less than that, no matter how expensive it is, it's worth it.

Or, maybe... just maybe mind you, the doomsday predictions ARE WRONG. Life will go on as normal, some food prices might rise a little, but people will just quit eating those foods and the prices will go back down.

So, you're willing to pay ten times more in taxes so that the government will build canals throught the midwest to irrigate farmland? You have trillions of dollars to take land via eminent domain and build these canals to divert water from our existing rivers? And what about the water need for people in towns/cities that are already facing water shortages?

 

[Chiropteran]

I'm just flabbergasted. I can't tell if you are serious.

First off, there is not enough water to irrigate all farmland.

3/4 the earth is covered with water. Checkmate.

 

[waggy]

I don't need to know.

All I need to know is this: does it cost more than a tripling OF EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. Because apparently this crisis is going to triple the cost of everything.

If it's less than that, no matter how expensive it is, it's worth it.

Or, maybe... just maybe mind you, the doomsday predictions ARE WRONG. Life will go on as normal, some food prices might rise a little, but people will just quit eating those foods and the prices will go back down.

you are fucking retarded or trolling.

prices are going to go up. is it doomsday? hell no. but stuff is going to go up. That is without a doubt. IF you don't understand why take a economics class or a business class.

take a look at the US map. Now cover the states on both coast. now everything not covered is in a drought and is in one way or another farmland.

now you want to build a irrigation platform for that? and you think that would be cheaper? or better for the population? LOL

 

[surfsatwerk]

3/4 the earth is covered with water. Checkmate.

 

[waggy]

3/4 the earth is covered with water. Checkmate.

and it has salt.

 

[Capt Caveman]

3/4 the earth is covered with water. Checkmate.

Retard, troll or retarded troll? Which one is you?

 

[Chiropteran]

So, you're willing to pay ten times more in taxes so that the government will build canals throught the midwest to irrigate farmland? You have trillions of dollars to take land via eminent domain and build these canals to divert water from our existing rivers? And what about the water need for people in towns/cities that are already facing water shortages?

Trillions? LOL? Not very smart to do it your way. Build a pipeline to the nearest ocean. Build a desalinization plant. Done.

Total cost, less than 20 billion.

A lot of money? Sure it is, but it's still less than TRIPLE THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING ZOMG WORLD ENDS!!!11

 

[Chiropteran]

and it has salt.

Yeah, boiling water to remove the salt is pretty hard to do.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Yeah, boiling water to remove the salt is pretty hard to do.

You're going to need a bigger pot.