Food, Inc.

[WhipperSnapper]

Is this a touchy-feely movie that merely condemns what most people would condemn without actually addressing some of the large underlying issues other than the easy target of corporate greed? Does it address how Malthusian forces and population explosion may be contributing to the problem? After all, when you have a nation of 300+ million hungry people, compromises are inevitable.

It's easy to condemn greedy businesses, but what about advocating for population stabilization, gradual population reduction, and an end to illegal immigration and legal immigration? I suspect that addressing some of the driving forces behind our nation's food quality problems would be very politically incorrect and that documentary filmmakers just don't have the cajones to do it.

Just to clarify the relationship between population and food quality, having a higher population means that less land is available for farming and herding and that the land is more expensive. So, instead of being able to have enough land so that chickens and can easily and affordably roam around, they end up in crowded pens. Also, the increased cost for land and resources gets passed right along to consumers, making it more difficult for them to be able to afford more expensive, more wholesome food. (Of course, since people also have to pay more money for real estate and other resources and goods as a result of population explosion, they also have less money for high quality food.)

So, I am left wondering, will people who are concerned about food quality come out in opposition to legal immigration and illegal immigration?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

There must be something else in the food making people flat stupid if you somehow equate my concern with the healthiness of our food supply with somehow promoting fast food. The issue isn't intentionally eating unhealthy or big evil corporations, its about the quality of all our food and the effect it is having on our health. Clearly many of you just don't care, and I hope you get exactly what you deserve from all the shit that gets put into your food.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
There must be something else in the food making people flat stupid if you somehow equate my concern with the healthiness of our food supply with somehow promoting fast food. The issue isn't intentionally eating unhealthy or big evil corporations, its about the quality of all our food and the effect it is having on our health. Clearly many of you just don't care, and I hope you get exactly what you deserve from all the shit that gets put into your food.

Be honest, are you fat and are just trying to put down the people that eat decent to make yourself feel better by claiming they are unhealthy as well?

Are you trying to brush off your personal responsibility by claiming that no matter what you eat, it is as bad as fast-food unless it is the more expensive "organic" variety?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
There must be something else in the food making people flat stupid if you somehow equate my concern with the healthiness of our food supply with somehow promoting fast food. The issue isn't intentionally eating unhealthy or big evil corporations, its about the quality of all our food and the effect it is having on our health. Clearly many of you just don't care, and I hope you get exactly what you deserve from all the shit that gets put into your food.

Be honest, are you fat and are just trying to put down the people that eat decent to make yourself feel better by claiming they are unhealthy as well?

Are you trying to brush off your personal responsibility by claiming that no matter what you eat, it is as bad as fast-food unless it is the more expensive "organic" variety?

I'm not fat, I quit smoking almost a year ago, I'm rocking out 30 + pull ups & 60+ push ups a day in addition to cardio & dumbbell workouts, I haven't eaten fast food other than socially in well over 6 months, and I read the labels on every food item I buy specifically because I care about my health beyond just grabbing the low fat cookies or the light potato chips. Oh yeah, and I bother to do a little research on some of those ingredients I see on the labels, and what might not be on the label at all. What about you?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

I'm not fat, I quit smoking almost a year ago, I'm rocking out 30 + pull ups & 60+ push ups a day in addition to cardio & dumbbell workouts, I haven't eaten fast food other than socially in well over 6 months, and I read the labels on every food item I buy specifically because I care about my health beyond just grabbing the low fat cookies or the light potato chips. Oh yeah, and I bother to do a little research on some of those ingredients I see on the labels, and what might not be on the label at all. What about you?

I'm not fat, and I eat non-organic veggies, fruits, and fish. I work out and do cardio. My splurges are lots of beer and the occasional pizza (seriously, is there anything better than that combo?)


If I were to change my diet to strictly fast-food, I would gain weight. This totally shits on your "theory" (well, common sense does too) that eating a salad and apple at home is the same as a Big Mac if you don't buy organic.

Why am I even arguing this? Did I just take the biggest troll bait of all time?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

I'm not fat, I quit smoking almost a year ago, I'm rocking out 30 + pull ups & 60+ push ups a day in addition to cardio & dumbbell workouts, I haven't eaten fast food other than socially in well over 6 months, and I read the labels on every food item I buy specifically because I care about my health beyond just grabbing the low fat cookies or the light potato chips. Oh yeah, and I bother to do a little research on some of those ingredients I see on the labels, and what might not be on the label at all. What about you?

I'm not fat, and I eat non-organic veggies, fruits, and fish. I work out and do cardio. My splurges are lots of beer and the occasional pizza (seriously, is there anything better than that combo?)


If I were to change my diet to strictly fast-food, I would gain weight. This totally shits on your "theory" (well, common sense does too) that eating a salad and apple at home is the same as a Big Mac if you don't buy organic.

Why am I even arguing this? Did I just take the biggest troll bait of all time?

I never once said or implied anything of the sort, and you are the troll here trying to assign that to me. Choke on your apple.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

I'm not fat, I quit smoking almost a year ago, I'm rocking out 30 + pull ups & 60+ push ups a day in addition to cardio & dumbbell workouts, I haven't eaten fast food other than socially in well over 6 months, and I read the labels on every food item I buy specifically because I care about my health beyond just grabbing the low fat cookies or the light potato chips. Oh yeah, and I bother to do a little research on some of those ingredients I see on the labels, and what might not be on the label at all. What about you?

I'm not fat, and I eat non-organic veggies, fruits, and fish. I work out and do cardio. My splurges are lots of beer and the occasional pizza (seriously, is there anything better than that combo?)


If I were to change my diet to strictly fast-food, I would gain weight. This totally shits on your "theory" (well, common sense does too) that eating a salad and apple at home is the same as a Big Mac if you don't buy organic.

Why am I even arguing this? Did I just take the biggest troll bait of all time?

I never once said or implied anything of the sort, and you are the troll here trying to assign that to me. Choke on your apple.

Ah crap it was Ericpl, but you were defending his position in your reply to me calling him out on it.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

I'm not fat, I quit smoking almost a year ago, I'm rocking out 30 + pull ups & 60+ push ups a day in addition to cardio & dumbbell workouts, I haven't eaten fast food other than socially in well over 6 months, and I read the labels on every food item I buy specifically because I care about my health beyond just grabbing the low fat cookies or the light potato chips. Oh yeah, and I bother to do a little research on some of those ingredients I see on the labels, and what might not be on the label at all. What about you?

I'm not fat, and I eat non-organic veggies, fruits, and fish. I work out and do cardio. My splurges are lots of beer and the occasional pizza (seriously, is there anything better than that combo?)


If I were to change my diet to strictly fast-food, I would gain weight. This totally shits on your "theory" (well, common sense does too) that eating a salad and apple at home is the same as a Big Mac if you don't buy organic.

Why am I even arguing this? Did I just take the biggest troll bait of all time?

I never once said or implied anything of the sort, and you are the troll here trying to assign that to me. Choke on your apple.

Ah crap it was Ericpl, but you were defending his position in your reply to me calling him out on it.

I thought it was pretty clear he was being facetious with the comment. If he wasn't then I disagree with him on that point.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, I think it's kinda funny what some people "THINK" is healthy.

Fruit and Vegetables? Unless you are growing it yourself or live next to a farm that is organic and doesn't spray crap loads of pesticides on your produce... You might as well, gone down to BK and ordered a Whooper value meal.

Eat Chicken and Fish because it's better then beef, again, like most people they buy the shit they sell at the local store, farm raised chickens that are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics to keep em alive till they make it to the slaughter house. Next? How about some Farm raised fish? YUM! YUM!!!! It's disgusting! Oh Tuna! That's really healthy ... Well, don't eat it more then once a month if your pregnant boy there is some food for thought! Mercury anyone? Heavy metals? YUMMY! That tuna sand is glowing!

Milk? Orange/apple/ etc...etc...etc... Juice? yeah! You gotta love it, after it's pasteurized 99% of all it's nutritional value is destroyed so they just add the vitamin D and C back in. Might as well just drink water and take a Vitamin C tablet!

Damn, I don't even want to mention the Water!!! You do filter your water right? Hahaha! Why bother?

Unless you grow and raise your own produce and catch all your fish like in Hawaii, and Filter your water... You might as well be eating at McDonald's.

What...the...hell?


That isnt even remotely true.

Mercury in tuna? Hormones in meat? Pasteurizing sapping nutrition? Fluoride in tap water? Pesticides in produce? What exactly is not remotely true here? Ericlp is absolutely right, there is a huge disconnect from what people think is healthy and what is healthy because of the molesting and polluting our food, even "healthy" food, is subjected to.

Saying that a Whopper is just as healthy as fruit and veggies from the grocery store is one of the most ridiculous things that I've ever heard, there's no way you honestly believe that. I'm sure ericlp does but he's a moron.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

I'm not fat, I quit smoking almost a year ago, I'm rocking out 30 + pull ups & 60+ push ups a day in addition to cardio & dumbbell workouts, I haven't eaten fast food other than socially in well over 6 months, and I read the labels on every food item I buy specifically because I care about my health beyond just grabbing the low fat cookies or the light potato chips. Oh yeah, and I bother to do a little research on some of those ingredients I see on the labels, and what might not be on the label at all. What about you?

I'm not fat, and I eat non-organic veggies, fruits, and fish. I work out and do cardio. My splurges are lots of beer and the occasional pizza (seriously, is there anything better than that combo?)


If I were to change my diet to strictly fast-food, I would gain weight. This totally shits on your "theory" (well, common sense does too) that eating a salad and apple at home is the same as a Big Mac if you don't buy organic.

Why am I even arguing this? Did I just take the biggest troll bait of all time?

I never once said or implied anything of the sort, and you are the troll here trying to assign that to me. Choke on your apple.

Ah crap it was Ericpl, but you were defending his position in your reply to me calling him out on it.

I thought it was pretty clear he was being facetious with the comment. If he wasn't then I disagree with him on that point.

It's ericlp, I'm pretty sure he's serious.

 

[sapiens74]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: KDOG
Yay. Another Bush bashing movie.... just what we need....

1. That is what we need. People like you are still ignorant.

2. This movie isn't that. But it's something else we need.

Dude

Everyone is ignorant but you and who you agree with...

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: sapiens74

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: KDOG
Yay. Another Bush bashing movie.... just what we need....

1. That is what we need. People like you are still ignorant.

2. This movie isn't that. But it's something else we need.

Dude

Everyone is ignorant but you and who you agree with...

craig.txt

 

[0marTheZealot]

While it is possible to eat healthy, in a lot of communities, it is impossible to get affordable, healthy food. In Chicago, we have several regions called "food deserts" because they lack any sort of whole foods stores. There are dozens of KFCs, McDs, Burger Kings, but there's only one fresh fruit and vegetable market for a 5 mile radius. Things like that put a huge damper on a person's choice of foods.

Secondly, the use of chemicals and hormones in foods is largely overhyped. A simple rinse will get rid of any offending substances on fruits/veggies. Milk has been hormone free for a while now. While cows are fed a lot of hormones and antibiotics, very little actually makes it into the muscle tissue. Most of that remains circulating in the bloodstream and is washed away when the cow is drained of blood. Also, cooking will destroy any leftover hormones, bacteria, and antibiotics. It's a non-issue.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, I think it's kinda funny what some people "THINK" is healthy.

Fruit and Vegetables? Unless you are growing it yourself or live next to a farm that is organic and doesn't spray crap loads of pesticides on your produce... You might as well, gone down to BK and ordered a Whooper value meal.

Eat Chicken and Fish because it's better then beef, again, like most people they buy the shit they sell at the local store, farm raised chickens that are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics to keep em alive till they make it to the slaughter house. Next? How about some Farm raised fish? YUM! YUM!!!! It's disgusting! Oh Tuna! That's really healthy ... Well, don't eat it more then once a month if your pregnant boy there is some food for thought! Mercury anyone? Heavy metals? YUMMY! That tuna sand is glowing!

Milk? Orange/apple/ etc...etc...etc... Juice? yeah! You gotta love it, after it's pasteurized 99% of all it's nutritional value is destroyed so they just add the vitamin D and C back in. Might as well just drink water and take a Vitamin C tablet!

Damn, I don't even want to mention the Water!!! You do filter your water right? Hahaha! Why bother?

Unless you grow and raise your own produce and catch all your fish like in Hawaii, and Filter your water... You might as well be eating at McDonald's.

Bull-fucking-shit.
Provide proof of any of this. Chickens do NOT get fed hormones to get them to grow faster. What would be the point? The chickens in the store grow to that size naturally in about 6 weeks. By 8 weeks, they're 8 pound birds, and if they're not butchered soon after, they'll die of congestive heart failure. Very specially cross bred birds, with the cross-breeding nearly perfected - not the result of some fantastical, bizarre genetic laboratory modifications.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, I think it's kinda funny what some people "THINK" is healthy.

Fruit and Vegetables? Unless you are growing it yourself or live next to a farm that is organic and doesn't spray crap loads of pesticides on your produce... You might as well, gone down to BK and ordered a Whooper value meal.

Eat Chicken and Fish because it's better then beef, again, like most people they buy the shit they sell at the local store, farm raised chickens that are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics to keep em alive till they make it to the slaughter house. Next? How about some Farm raised fish? YUM! YUM!!!! It's disgusting! Oh Tuna! That's really healthy ... Well, don't eat it more then once a month if your pregnant boy there is some food for thought! Mercury anyone? Heavy metals? YUMMY! That tuna sand is glowing!

Milk? Orange/apple/ etc...etc...etc... Juice? yeah! You gotta love it, after it's pasteurized 99% of all it's nutritional value is destroyed so they just add the vitamin D and C back in. Might as well just drink water and take a Vitamin C tablet!

Damn, I don't even want to mention the Water!!! You do filter your water right? Hahaha! Why bother?

Unless you grow and raise your own produce and catch all your fish like in Hawaii, and Filter your water... You might as well be eating at McDonald's.

What...the...hell?


That isnt even remotely true.

Mercury in tuna? Hormones in meat? Pasteurizing sapping nutrition? Fluoride in tap water? Pesticides in produce? What exactly is not remotely true here? Ericlp is absolutely right, there is a huge disconnect from what people think is healthy and what is healthy because of the molesting and polluting our food, even "healthy" food, is subjected to.

Is there any proof that pesticides are harmful? Or trace amounts of mercury are harmful? Fluoride is a good thing; it naturally occurs in ground water and mineral water.

Life is inherently unhealthy. You can't go crazy over what is in everything or you'll die of stress.

All things in moderation and moderation in all things is the best way to live.

Fluoride is an industrial waste and a poison. You have to be kidding about the pesticides and mercury. This is just sad.

No, whats sad is people like you telling others to "put down that apple and eat this whopper" because the apple may have trace amounts of pesticides. You are a fool.

You do understand that mercury naturally exists in the ocean, right? How long have people eaten fish from the ocean? I am NOT saying it isn't harmful (to an arguable degree) but get real.

When I shop for groceries, I buy 70-80% organic, but I definitely will not fork out $8 for something organic when the non-organic is $1-2. If the price isn't too far off, organic is the way to go.

What we really need to do is get some movement in the direction for people's food choices, and then hopefully we can make more inroads into making "healthy" food such as fuits and vegetables less adulterates with chemicals.

For you to say that people should choose McD over buying fruits and vegetables at the supermarket is rediculous. It is extremists like you that prevent any real change from ever happening, because nothing is ever good enough.

Pending legislation aims to kill small farms through regulation, leaving only the big players and their mass farming ways. Democrats are killing choice, not increasing it. People need to stop drinking the Democrat koolaid.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sapiens74

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: KDOG
Yay. Another Bush bashing movie.... just what we need....

1. That is what we need. People like you are still ignorant.

2. This movie isn't that. But it's something else we need.

Dude

Everyone is ignorant but you and who you agree with...

craig.txt

LULZ. Too true.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: sapiens74

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: KDOG
Yay. Another Bush bashing movie.... just what we need....

1. That is what we need. People like you are still ignorant.

2. This movie isn't that. But it's something else we need.

Dude

Everyone is ignorant but you and who you agree with...

uh, someone comes in posting about a movie they haven't seen, claiming it's not about the industrialization of the food industry over 50 years, but about bashing Bush.

I say they're ignorant, because, well, they haven't seen the film they're bashing, and yet are posting wrong things about it, showing what's called in the dictionary 'ignorance'.

You respond with that? It's BS. Not ignorant, BS.

Not everyone who disagrees with me is ignorant; that's just a false attack by you.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, I think it's kinda funny what some people "THINK" is healthy.

Fruit and Vegetables? Unless you are growing it yourself or live next to a farm that is organic and doesn't spray crap loads of pesticides on your produce... You might as well, gone down to BK and ordered a Whooper value meal.

Eat Chicken and Fish because it's better then beef, again, like most people they buy the shit they sell at the local store, farm raised chickens that are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics to keep em alive till they make it to the slaughter house. Next? How about some Farm raised fish? YUM! YUM!!!! It's disgusting! Oh Tuna! That's really healthy ... Well, don't eat it more then once a month if your pregnant boy there is some food for thought! Mercury anyone? Heavy metals? YUMMY! That tuna sand is glowing!

Milk? Orange/apple/ etc...etc...etc... Juice? yeah! You gotta love it, after it's pasteurized 99% of all it's nutritional value is destroyed so they just add the vitamin D and C back in. Might as well just drink water and take a Vitamin C tablet!

Damn, I don't even want to mention the Water!!! You do filter your water right? Hahaha! Why bother?

Unless you grow and raise your own produce and catch all your fish like in Hawaii, and Filter your water... You might as well be eating at McDonald's.

Bull-fucking-shit.
Provide proof of any of this. Chickens do NOT get fed hormones to get them to grow faster. What would be the point? The chickens in the store grow to that size naturally in about 6 weeks. By 8 weeks, they're 8 pound birds, and if they're not butchered soon after, they'll die of congestive heart failure. Very specially cross bred birds, with the cross-breeding nearly perfected - not the result of some fantastical, bizarre genetic laboratory modifications.

I don't know. When I worked for a chicken place, from time to time we got shipments of breasts three to four times normal size, and legs the size of turkey legs. And this was from a company who claimed 100% all natural, which were later busted on that claim.

 

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Originally posted by: mrCide
Heh, it actually is pretty easy to eat healthy, unless you dont buy your own food (underage perhaps), even on a slim budget. I changed my eating habits (actually following weight watchers) and it doesn't take a lot of effort at all.

no, it's not. healthy food is expensive because not enough farmers produce it because they get paid crap for it. it's WAY easier eating unhealthy food. most of the fresh produce you see in the grocery store is unhealthy because it's been genetically modified and has no nutritional value at all. they just make it so that it looks better and bigger (whatever "it" may be), but rids it of nutritional value and taste.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, I think it's kinda funny what some people "THINK" is healthy.

Fruit and Vegetables? Unless you are growing it yourself or live next to a farm that is organic and doesn't spray crap loads of pesticides on your produce... You might as well, gone down to BK and ordered a Whooper value meal.

Eat Chicken and Fish because it's better then beef, again, like most people they buy the shit they sell at the local store, farm raised chickens that are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics to keep em alive till they make it to the slaughter house. Next? How about some Farm raised fish? YUM! YUM!!!! It's disgusting! Oh Tuna! That's really healthy ... Well, don't eat it more then once a month if your pregnant boy there is some food for thought! Mercury anyone? Heavy metals? YUMMY! That tuna sand is glowing!

Milk? Orange/apple/ etc...etc...etc... Juice? yeah! You gotta love it, after it's pasteurized 99% of all it's nutritional value is destroyed so they just add the vitamin D and C back in. Might as well just drink water and take a Vitamin C tablet!

Damn, I don't even want to mention the Water!!! You do filter your water right? Hahaha! Why bother?

Unless you grow and raise your own produce and catch all your fish like in Hawaii, and Filter your water... You might as well be eating at McDonald's.

Bull-fucking-shit.
Provide proof of any of this. Chickens do NOT get fed hormones to get them to grow faster. What would be the point? The chickens in the store grow to that size naturally in about 6 weeks. By 8 weeks, they're 8 pound birds, and if they're not butchered soon after, they'll die of congestive heart failure. Very specially cross bred birds, with the cross-breeding nearly perfected - not the result of some fantastical, bizarre genetic laboratory modifications.

wait... hold up... you honestly don't know that most animals are fed hormones? it's in the milk and meats.

please tell me my sarcasm meter is broken...

 

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