wow. that was a bit short-sighted of him. Though, if a pilot came on and said something like that on a flight I was on, I'd jump to the conclusion that he was planning on crashing the plane, or that we were out of fuel.
I love how Wagner pretty much admits at the end there that the whole situation will be hushed up and swept under the rug.
Originally posted by: dtyn
Oh no! He mentioned something about religion.
Who cares? People are too sensitive.
Are you an idiot or just stupid?
Someone should have shouted, "A religious fanatic has taken over the plane." Then a bunch of people could have ran up and killed him before something happend.
Yea, saw this in the paper also
I had a situation like this once, although not solicited by the pilot. On rollout on a L.A. to Alabama flight, the guy next to me decided to take issue with my reading material, The Blind Watchmaker, by Richard Dawkins ... a book on evolution. I'm holding the book, but not reading it at the moment. He reaches over, pokes at the book and announces "You don't actually believe that stuff do you?" **sigh**
Was a long flight.
I had a situation like this once, although not solicited by the pilot. On rollout on a L.A. to Alabama flight, the guy next to me decided to take issue with my reading material, The Blind Watchmaker, by Richard Dawkins ... a book on evolution. I'm holding the book, but not reading it at the moment. He reaches over, pokes at the book and announces "You don't actually believe that stuff do you?" **sigh**
Was a long flight.
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: dtyn
Oh no! He mentioned something about religion.
Who cares? People are too sensitive.
Are you an idiot or just stupid?
Are you a dumbass or just a fvcktard?
Originally posted by: ergeorge
Yea, saw this in the paper also
I had a situation like this once, although not solicited by the pilot. On rollout on a L.A. to Alabama flight, the guy next to me decided to take issue with my reading material, The Blind Watchmaker, by Richard Dawkins ... a book on evolution. I'm holding the book, but not reading it at the moment. He reaches over, pokes at the book and announces "You don't actually believe that stuff do you?" **sigh**
Was a long flight.
You should have poked him in the head and asked, "You don't really use that do you?"
:beer:
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From what I have heard and read none of the passengers appreciated it.Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: dtyn
Oh no! He mentioned something about religion.
Who cares? People are too sensitive.
Are you an idiot or just stupid?
Are you a dumbass or just a fvcktard?
I think its being blown out of proportion if all he did was try to encourage discussion. Its not like he said 'if you guys don't convert i'll crash the plane'. However I think a pilots primary concern should be flying the plane safely, not worrying about his passengers religion. There is a time and a place, and methinks a long flight is neither.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
From what I have heard and read none of the passengers appreciated it.Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: dtyn
Oh no! He mentioned something about religion.
Who cares? People are too sensitive.
Are you an idiot or just stupid?
Are you a dumbass or just a fvcktard?
I wouldn't expect them to. He shouldn't have done it, but it's hardly a big deal.
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LOL, it's better than Pilots getting snockered at the Bar prior to a flightOriginally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
From what I have heard and read none of the passengers appreciated it.Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: dtyn
Oh no! He mentioned something about religion.
Who cares? People are too sensitive.
Are you an idiot or just stupid?
Are you a dumbass or just a fvcktard?
I wouldn't expect them to. He shouldn't have done it, but it's hardly a big deal.
It's so incredibly sad that a man can't discuss his religious beliefs with others nowadays or even MAKE A SUGGESTION that others do so.
Oh, and for anyone who wants to bring up the whole "captive audience argument" don't bother. Every single person chose to be on that flight and, last time I checked this was still the U.S. of A. and we still have a First Amendment which guarantees the right to free speech and religion.
As far as the "appropriateness" of his comments (i.e. timing or wording) I'm not aware of any law which prohibits doing such a thing on an airplane, and even if there was it would be unconstitutional anyway.
Oh, and for anyone who wants to bring up the whole "captive audience argument" don't bother. Every single person chose to be on that flight and, last time I checked this was still the U.S. of A. and we still have a First Amendment which guarantees the right to free speech and religion.
As far as the "appropriateness" of his comments (i.e. timing or wording) I'm not aware of any law which prohibits doing such a thing on an airplane, and even if there was it would be unconstitutional anyway.
Boy, these "let's kill religious fanatics" jokes sure are getting old. I, for one, take offense to these and any other jokes about murdering *anyone*. When did it become P.C. to make jokes about killing people? Guess I was absent from class that day...
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Originally posted by: ergeorge
Yea, saw this in the paper also
I had a situation like this once, although not solicited by the pilot. On rollout on a L.A. to Alabama flight, the guy next to me decided to take issue with my reading material, The Blind Watchmaker, by Richard Dawkins ... a book on evolution. I'm holding the book, but not reading it at the moment. He reaches over, pokes at the book and announces "You don't actually believe that stuff do you?" **sigh**
Was a long flight.
You should have poked him in the head and asked, "You don't really use that do you?"
LoL ... wish I'd have thought of that.
Actually, I tried to change the topic, but he would have none of that. Then I tried to engage him on the facts of the debate, which of course got nowhere. He had absolutely no understanding of the theory of evolution, but condemned out of hand ... cuz the bible tells me so .... Finally, somewhere over Texas, I handed him the book and said he should read it and get back to me when he had some idea about what he was debating. His reply was something to the effect that he didn't have to understand evololution to know that it was wrong.
Whatever ... he persisted, but I ignored him for the rest of the flight. Was a packed flight, so I couldn't find another seat.
Off topic, but I had to get on a puddle jumper from Al to Eglin AFB from there. Very small plane ... so small that, being in the window seat, the fuselage curved around so much that I was forced to partially lean into the next seat. Then who should sit down next to me but some huge, fat, smelly, greasy guy who looked (and smelled) like he hadn't showered since his hippie hay days back in the 60s. Was so bad I could hardly breathe. Was a lousy day.
Last I knew, an airplane wasn't a CHURCH meant for PREACHING!
And "crazy non-Christians"? I would rather not be insulted by some relgious zealot, thanks.
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Why didn't you just tell him to STFU?Originally posted by: ergeorge
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Originally posted by: ergeorge
Yea, saw this in the paper also
I had a situation like this once, although not solicited by the pilot. On rollout on a L.A. to Alabama flight, the guy next to me decided to take issue with my reading material, The Blind Watchmaker, by Richard Dawkins ... a book on evolution. I'm holding the book, but not reading it at the moment. He reaches over, pokes at the book and announces "You don't actually believe that stuff do you?" **sigh**
Was a long flight.
You should have poked him in the head and asked, "You don't really use that do you?"
LoL ... wish I'd have thought of that.
Actually, I tried to change the topic, but he would have none of that. Then I tried to engage him on the facts of the debate, which of course got nowhere. He had absolutely no understanding of the theory of evolution, but condemned out of hand ... cuz the bible tells me so .... Finally, somewhere over Texas, I handed him the book and said he should read it and get back to me when he had some idea about what he was debating. His reply was something to the effect that he didn't have to understand evololution to know that it was wrong.
Whatever ... he persisted, but I ignored him for the rest of the flight. Was a packed flight, so I couldn't find another seat.
Off topic, but I had to get on a puddle jumper from Al to Eglin AFB from there. Very small plane ... so small that, being in the window seat, the fuselage curved around so much that I was forced to partially lean into the next seat. Then who should sit down next to me but some huge, fat, smelly, greasy guy who looked (and smelled) like he hadn't showered since his hippie hay days back in the 60s. Was so bad I could hardly breathe. Was a lousy day.
I'm christian and I would be really pissed, mostly because I hate being forced to talk to people. "Let's introduce ourselves to eachother." I don't give a flying fvck about the people around me.
No, it's not illegal or unconstitutional, or anything like that. It's just inappropriate and in very poor taste, and likely against some policy of American Airlines. He's there to fly the plane, not make ethical judgements regarding his passengers.
You know, I don't have any problem with people believing what they want, but it drives me nuts that one of the things that they believe is that I have to believe, and if I don't that it's their duty to make me believe.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Why didn't you just tell him to STFU?Originally posted by: ergeorge
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Originally posted by: ergeorge
Yea, saw this in the paper also
I had a situation like this once, although not solicited by the pilot. On rollout on a L.A. to Alabama flight, the guy next to me decided to take issue with my reading material, The Blind Watchmaker, by Richard Dawkins ... a book on evolution. I'm holding the book, but not reading it at the moment. He reaches over, pokes at the book and announces "You don't actually believe that stuff do you?" **sigh**
Was a long flight.
You should have poked him in the head and asked, "You don't really use that do you?"
LoL ... wish I'd have thought of that.
Actually, I tried to change the topic, but he would have none of that. Then I tried to engage him on the facts of the debate, which of course got nowhere. He had absolutely no understanding of the theory of evolution, but condemned out of hand ... cuz the bible tells me so .... Finally, somewhere over Texas, I handed him the book and said he should read it and get back to me when he had some idea about what he was debating. His reply was something to the effect that he didn't have to understand evololution to know that it was wrong.
Whatever ... he persisted, but I ignored him for the rest of the flight. Was a packed flight, so I couldn't find another seat.
Off topic, but I had to get on a puddle jumper from Al to Eglin AFB from there. Very small plane ... so small that, being in the window seat, the fuselage curved around so much that I was forced to partially lean into the next seat. Then who should sit down next to me but some huge, fat, smelly, greasy guy who looked (and smelled) like he hadn't showered since his hippie hay days back in the 60s. Was so bad I could hardly breathe. Was a lousy day.
That's what it came to. I wouldn't have minded having a reasoned, informed debate, or talked on some other issue, or even just sitting there, each minding our own business. But, as I said, he was persistant, and I eventually told him to basically STFU, but not quite in those terms.
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