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Flu shot: check.

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Got my shot last week. Didn't get sick from it, never have.. Have got one each year for the past 5 years. Can't remember the last time I had the flu.

Couple people at work refuse to get it cause they swear they got "super sick" the 1 time they had the shot.
 
TheUnk said:
Got my shot last week. Didn't get sick from it, never have.. Have got one each year for the past 5 years. Can't remember the last time I had the flu.

Couple people at work refuse to get it cause they swear they got "super sick" the 1 time they had the shot.
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It does make you sick, because it's a virus that's ~1% live. Some people are more ssnsitive to them than others.
 
TheVrolok said:
Simple question, do you realize that the natural immune response to both the actual flu virus, and the dead virus vaccine, is identical (as far as immunity goes)?
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Negative, more antibodies and memory are built by fighting a bug that is actively replicating.
 
spidey07 said:
Negative, more antibodies and memory are built by fighting a bug that is actively replicating.
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I tried to simplify things, and perhaps went a bit too far. In theory, a live infection MAY (not definitely) provide some increased memory relative to a dead vaccine. In reality, the flu, mutates so frequently that memory to a previously infected strain isn't much of a protection; if you even have an increased memory. Quite simply, statistically, the risk of getting seriously ill (or even moderately ill) from the dead vaccine is so small that it outweighs the benefit of getting the actual flu (which is a more severe illness than any adverse reaction) that may, or may not, actually confer any extreme protective immune memory.
 
TheVrolok said:
I tried to simplify things, and perhaps went a bit too far. In theory, a live infection MAY (not definitely) provide some increased memory relative to a dead vaccine. In reality, the flu, mutates so frequently that memory to a previously infected strain isn't much of a protection; if you even have an increased memory. Quite simply, statistically, the risk of getting seriously ill (or even moderately ill) from the dead vaccine is so small that it outweighs the benefit of getting the actual flu (which is a more severe illness than any adverse reaction) that may, or may not, actually confer any extreme protective immune memory.
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And if it doesn't fuck one up like it does me, your point holds true. But it fucks me up just as much as the flu and I will NEVER get one unless you pay me serious money.
 
Schadenfreude said:
Suddenly have the urge to get a flu vaccine to spite all the ignant asses on thread.
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Like I said in the other thread... I'd be more than happy if everybody that thought I should get the vaccine gives me the $28 (each person, that is) it costs to get it. I mean if they're all worried that I'm going to get them sick, it's the least they could do, right?
 
spidey07 said:
And if it doesn't fuck one up like it does me, your point holds true. But it fucks me up just as much as the flu and I will NEVER get one unless you pay me serious money.
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It's a completely subjective argument that it "fucks you up" as much as the actual flu. Odds are, even if you had an adverse reaction to the vaccination, the actual flu would be far worse (for you). There is nothing that the vaccination does that the flu virus doesn't, and as you already mentioned, the actual virus is replicating while the vaccine is not.
 
TheVrolok said:
It's a completely subjective argument that it "fucks you up" as much as the actual flu. Odds are, even if you had an adverse reaction to the vaccination, the actual flu would be far worse (for you). There is nothing that the vaccination does that the flu virus doesn't, and as you already mentioned, the actual virus is replicating while the vaccine is not.
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Nope. I've had confirmed influenza, tested, etc. What I get with the vaccine is just as bad if not worse. My mom was a doctor, had to give me IV fluids, cool my body down, muscle aches so bad I couldn't get out of bed, really high fever, etc Each time (not every mind you, but most) I got the vaccine.

I'll take the real bug (had it confirmed at least twice a long time ago), it was NOTHING like what I went through with the vaccine. It took a few years for us to realize what was causing it, it was the shot. No shot = zero flu or flu like symptoms since I/she figured out the connection some 17+ years ago. The last time I had the symptoms from the vaccine she called an ambulance because of my fever of 103. Not going to take that shit ever again.

I trust my immune system. I don't trust the shot. Eitherway my chances of getting fucked up are MUCH less not taking the vaccine.

I know none of you guys believe me and think I'm full of shit on this, but it is true and I've never been as sick as I have after getting flu shots. I'll never take one.
 
spidey07 said:
I know none of you guys believe me and think I'm full of shit on this, but it is true and I've never been as sick as I have after getting flu shots. I'll never take one.
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Obviously I can't claim I know more about your anecdote than you do, but will you admit then, that you have to be some absurdly rare fraction of a percent of humans out there that have this really bizarre and irrational immune response to the vaccine relative to the shot? So odd in fact, that routinely emphasizing it publicly without admitting the rarity, is a scientific disservice? I'm not specifically talking about you here, it's the same for those blowing the extremely rare occurrence of any adverse vaccination effect out of proportion.
 
spidey07 said:
I know none of you guys believe me and think I'm full of shit on this, but it is true and I've never been as sick as I have after getting flu shots. I'll never take one.
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Don't worry we believe you.
Some people get a lot sicker than others when responding to a virus, even if it's just a vaccine. Some people can barely get up when they have a common cold. Other people just cough and sneeze a lot even though it's the same virus. Guys like me usually don't get sick to the point where we must stay home, so I could probably get a flu shot and be fine. Then again I could also get the real flu and mostly be fine. The people who get totally fucked up by the real flu would also get destroyed by the vaccine. It's one of those things where you're fine either way or screwed either way.

I'll probably never get a flu shot again. I had it before and it made me feel horrible. Not as bad as your experience, but still bad. If we're dealing with a virus that won't kill me then I'll just take my chances. If it were something hardcore like smallpox, I would be the first guy in line to get the shot.
 
Search says I didn't reply to this Flu shot thread, so here I go again. 🙂

Haven't gotten the flu shot since I left active duty, don't intend to get it every again. Every time I got the shot, or nasal spray, while active duty, I got sick. And had to slog through the normal work week with 'flu-like' symptoms. Sucked.

Since the flu shots come out during my marathon running season, I can't afford to lose a week or more worth of training to it.

I know some 'tard will quote this and say you cannot get the flu from the flu vaccine. That is irrelevant. It may not be the flu, but it has identical symptoms and duration. And it usually seems to be contagious to others. Seen one person in a department get the shot, get sick, and within a week the entire department is sick.
 
TheVrolok said:
Obviously I can't claim I know more about your anecdote than you do, but will you admit then, that you have to be some absurdly rare fraction of a percent of humans out there that have this really bizarre and irrational immune response to the vaccine relative to the shot? So odd in fact, that routinely emphasizing it publicly without admitting the rarity, is a scientific disservice? I'm not specifically talking about you here, it's the same for those blowing the extremely rare occurrence of any adverse vaccination effect out of proportion.
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Sure. I'm just relaying my experience and evidence. Everybody is different. I hardly ever get sick enough to call into work or be laid up in bed. The vaccine made me physically debilitated for days. The times when I had confirmed flu, out for a day or two with symptoms and fine.

What I'm trying to say is it took a long time to discover the link for me and my body. Once I and mom found that link I've been flu free and flu symptom free for some 17+ years if not more because I'm going way back. More like 20 years.
 
Bateluer said:
I know some 'tard will quote this and say you cannot get the flu from the flu vaccine. That is irrelevant. It may not be the flu, but it has identical symptoms and duration. And it usually seems to be contagious to others. Seen one person in a department get the shot, get sick, and within a week the entire department is sick.
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I'll say it, even though you already have, you cannot get the flu from the dead vaccine, you surely cannot get a transmissible form unless of course your body manages to reanimate the virus from dead pieces .. which, quite frankly, would be awesome. Also, it is entirely possible someone got the shot, and then got a different strain of the flu. Unlikely, but possible.
 
TheVrolok said:
I tried to simplify things, and perhaps went a bit too far. In theory, a live infection MAY (not definitely) provide some increased memory relative to a dead vaccine. In reality, the flu, mutates so frequently that memory to a previously infected strain isn't much of a protection; if you even have an increased memory. Quite simply, statistically, the risk of getting seriously ill (or even moderately ill) from the dead vaccine is so small that it outweighs the benefit of getting the actual flu (which is a more severe illness than any adverse reaction) that may, or may not, actually confer any extreme protective immune memory.
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Tinfoilhiker won't read or acknowledge this, but well put.
 
TheVrolok said:
Obviously I can't claim I know more about your anecdote than you do, but will you admit then, that you have to be some absurdly rare fraction of a percent of humans out there that have this really bizarre and irrational immune response to the vaccine relative to the shot? So odd in fact, that routinely emphasizing it publicly without admitting the rarity, is a scientific disservice? I'm not specifically talking about you here, it's the same for those blowing the extremely rare occurrence of any adverse vaccination effect out of proportion.
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With 6+ billion people in the world you're going to have some outliers. Heck, my daughter dropped her temp to 96 degrees and went into seizures the day after getting her 1 year vaccinations. That earned her three days of neuro observation, 6 months worth of kepra and a half dozen EEG's. Neurologist thinks it was a reaction to the varicella (chickenpox) vaccine. She's 3.5 and has no long term effects at this point but it was freaky. But there are millions of other kids that get it every year without issue. That's just the thing with vaccines...it's a numbers game and usually the numbers are in most of our favor.
 
vi edit said:
With 6+ billion people in the world you're going to have some outliers. Heck, my daughter dropped her temp to 96 degrees and went into seizures the day after getting her 1 year vaccinations. That earned her three days of neuro observation, 6 months worth of kepra and a half dozen EEG's. Neurologist thinks it was a reaction to the varicella (chickenpox) vaccine. She's 3.5 and has no long term effects at this point but it was freaky. But there are millions of other kids that get it every year without issue. That's just the thing with vaccines...it's a numbers game and usually the numbers are in most of our favor.
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Yep.
 
TheVrolok said:
I'll say it, even though you already have, you cannot get the flu from the dead vaccine, you surely cannot get a transmissible form unless of course your body manages to reanimate the virus from dead pieces .. which, quite frankly, would be awesome. Also, it is entirely possible someone got the shot, and then got a different strain of the flu. Unlikely, but possible.
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As I've pointed out before, numerous times, 1)the nasal vaccine is a live flu virus, not dead. Weakened, but not dead, and 2)Its irrelevant whether or not its the flu. Getting the shot produces flu-like symptoms. I get vaccines to avoid getting sick, defeats the purpose if I get the vaccine and get sick anyway.
 
Bateluer said:
As I've pointed out before, numerous times, 1)the nasal vaccine is a live flu virus, not dead. Weakened, but not dead, and 2)Its irrelevant whether or not its the flu. Getting the shot produces flu-like symptoms. I get vaccines to avoid getting sick, defeats the purpose if I get the vaccine and get sick anyway.
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1) I know, which is why I expressly wrote dead vaccine. 😛
2) It is relevant because to claim certain flu-like symptoms are the same as the flu is completely subjective, whereas the statistics that show rarity of adverse effects the vaccine (both dead and attenuated) are not. Anecdotes are fine, but to tout them as anything more is a disservice. vi edit said it was just a few posts ago.
 
I got the flu about 15 years ago, and decided I never wanted to go through another week like that again. Though I did loose about 10 pounds, thanks to a week of laying in bed shivering or sweating, constant nausea and sprints to the bathroom to puke or shit, or both.

Flu shot ever year since, and no flu
 
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