Florist Hit With 2 Lawsuits For Refusing To Serve Gay Couple

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...dding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

By Kim Murphy
April 10, 2013, 12:55 p.m.

SEATTLE — The Washington attorney general has filed a consumer protection action against an eastern Washington florist who refused to provide flowers for a same-sex wedding, telling a longtime customer that it was “because of my relationship with Jesus Christ.”

The lawsuit seeks $2,000 in fines for each violation and an injunction requiring Arlene’s Flowers to comply with the state’s consumer protection laws, which prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The aborted transaction has caused a brouhaha in Washington, which legalized same-sex marriage in November but remains divided over the issue.

The gay marriage referendum passed largely due to a flood of support in liberal Seattle, while more conservative communities in eastern Washington had deep reservations. In Benton County, where Arlene’s Flowers does business, 63% opposed it.

Since the March 1 incident in the town of Richland, a “Boycott Arlene’s Flowers” Facebook page has shown up, while the shop’s own Facebook page has been flooded with messages of support.

“Stand strong for what is healthy, right and Godly,” said one backer, while a critic wrote that “this is about the law… There is not an ‘I believe in Jesus so the laws don't apply to me’ exemption."

Robert Ingersoll and his partner, Curt Freed, had been buying flowers from Arlene’s for nearly a decade when Ingersoll asked Barronelle Stutzman to provide flowers for their upcoming wedding in September, according to the couple's attorneys.

Stutzman, who declined to comment to the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, said earlier on her Facebook page that she refused.

“When it came to doing his wedding, I said, ‘I could not do it because of my relationship with Jesus Christ.’ He thanked me and said he respected my opinion. We talked and gave each other a hug and he left,” she wrote.

Stutzman said she believes “biblically” that marriage is between a man and a woman.

“I have hired all walks of people in different circumstances, and had the privilege of working with some very talented people that happen to be gay.”

Ingersoll told the Tri-City Herald the encounter had been deeply troubling. “It really hurt because it was somebody I knew,” he said. “We laid awake all night Saturday. It was eating at our souls. There was never a question she’d be the one to do our flowers. She does amazing work.”

In an announcement of the lawsuit Tuesday, Attorney General Bob Ferguson said he had sent a letter to Stutzman before filing the suit asking her to reconsider, but she refused through her attorney.

“As Attorney General, it is my job to enforce the laws of the state of Washington,” Ferguson said. “If a business provides a product or service to opposite-sex couples for their wedding, then it must provide same-sex couples the same product or service.”

On Wednesday, the American Civil Liberties Union also stepped into the fray, sending Stutzman a letter announcing it would file a separate civil suit for damages on behalf of the engaged couple unless she agrees to provide flowers without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, publish a letter of apology in the newspaper and donate $5,000 to a local youth center, in lieu of attorneys' fees.

"Your refusal to sell flowers to Mr. Ingersoll and Mr. Freed for their wedding has hurt them very deeply. It is a disturbing reminder of the history of discrimination and disparate treatment that they and other gay men and women have experienced over the years," ACLU attorney Michael R. Scott said in the letter.
I think the lawsuits have merit. "Because my religion says so" isn't an excuse to allow discrimination based on race/gender/age/sexual orientation or any other factor.

It's also a bit disturbing that people are rushing to defend the florist publicly. Which reminds me, I need to look up this florist's Facebook page.

EDIT: Found it - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Arlenes-Flowers/179760432044760

Also, it's important to note, the couple has not filed the lawsuit. It's Washington State's Attorney General. Meaning the florist is in for a pretty big battle in court if they don't want to stop their discriminatory practices.
 
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bullshit lawsuit. its his business and to have the government telling the private business who they HAVE to do business with is complete bullshit. good job WA AG (fucking jack booted thug.), you are going to destroy a private business and make a few more people dependant on gobermnet because you just put them in the poor house. way to go! WHOO HOOO
 
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bullshit lawsuit. its his business and to have the government telling the private business who they HAVE to do business with is complete bullshit.
You do realize the government has already been telling people who they HAVE to do business with for a long time. There are many protected classes in our society, and you can't use personal beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against them.

Do you think interracial marriage was popular in the south 50 years ago?

If you believe it's bullshit, hit the florist's Facebook page and donate to their legal defense fund. They'll need every penny if they're going up against the Washington AG and the ACLU in separate lawsuits, in a state that has already legalized gay marriage and declared homosexuals a protected class.
 
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The right to flowers is constitutionally protected so the florist is going to lose. It is clearly delineated under other rights not enumerated. It is also a health issue. It is vital for a clear mind and good constitution to stop and smell the roses. But the big one is the second amendment which would be meaningless if you couldn't put flowers in the barrels of guns.
 
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You do realize the government has already been telling people who they HAVE to do business with for a long time. There are many protected classes in our society, and you can't use personal beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against them.

So you want to force your values on private individuals huh?

Do you think interracial marriage was popular in the south 50 years ago?

Do you have any evidence of a florist(or similar wedding serving establishment) being forced to provide service to an interracial marriage in the south?
 

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You do realize the government has already been telling people who they HAVE to do business with for a long time. There are many protected classes in our society, and you can't use personal beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against them.

Do you think interracial marriage was popular in the south 50 years ago?

If you believe it's bullshit, hit the florist's Facebook page and donate to their legal defense fund. They'll need every penny if they're going up against the Washington AG and the ACLU in separate lawsuits, in a state that has already legalized gay marriage and declared homosexuals a protected class.

just donated $25 bucks.


yup just more heavy haned government bullshit
 

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bullshit lawsuit. its his business and to have the government telling the private business who they HAVE to do business with is complete bullshit. good job WA AG (fucking jack booted thug.), you are going to destroy a private business and make a few more people dependant on gobermnet because you just put them in the poor house. way to go! WHOO HOOO

You do know this was the same argument certain people made when blacks wanted to eat at lunch counters back in the 50-60s
 

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So you want to force your values on private individuals huh?
Absolutely. We can't allow discrimination based on race, gender, age, or sexual orientation to exist in our society. And you think discrimination should be allowed?

Do you have any evidence of a florist(or similar wedding serving establishment) being forced to provide service to an interracial marriage in the south?
I'll do you one better, and it was only 3 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Louisiana_interracial_marriage_incident

In that case, the Justice was forced to resign a month after the incident, 5 years short of when his term expired. That was an arguably better outcome than him being forced not to discriminate.
 
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Absolutely. We can't allow discrimination based on race, gender, age, or sexual orientation to exist in our society.

The last is clearly BS. You don't think we can discriminate against object sexuals? Or pedophiles? Or Animial-sexuals? Or incest-sexuals? I highly doubt that.

And you think discrimination should be allowed?

You think forcing your views on marriage on other private citizens should be allowed?:hmm:


A Justice of the Peace is a government official. Going to go out on a limb here and say a florist is not a government official.
 
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Private businesses have the right to discriminate and this is part of private property rights. Shame on the idiots who sued them. The government has no right to tell private businesses who they can serve.

Will they start telling female only gyms to serve men? Fair is fair.
 

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Its one thing if the Florist was in some way tied to the state government or had some sort of contract in place but its another thing interfere with who private business chooses to do business with.
I think the Attorney Generals approach here is out of line and I support the florist.
 

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The last is clearly BS. You don't think we can discriminate against object sexuals? Or pedophiles? Or Animial-sexuals? Or incest-sexuals? I highly doubt that.
When Washington legalizes object-human, animal-human, or incestual marriage, and declares them a protected class, then yes. But we're not talking about your feelings or mine, we're talking about what's written into the law books at the state house in Washington. The florist is going to lose handily, in both time and money.

You think forcing your views on marriage on other private citizens should be allowed?:hmm:
Is your privately-owned business open to the public?

You can't have a privately owned business that's open to the public, with a sign out front saying "we only serve Whites". Isn't that what you're arguing for?
 

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You do know this was the same argument certain people made when blacks wanted to eat at lunch counters back in the 50-60s

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When Washington legalizes object-human, animal-human, or incestual marriage, and declares them a protected class, then yes.

So wait you are not saying that discriminating based on sexual orientation is okay...

But we're not talking about your feelings or mine, we're talking about what's written into the law books at the state house in Washington. The florist is going to lose handily, in both time and money.

So its okay for state laws to discriminate

Is your privately-owned business open to the public?

What does that have to do with anything? Liberals have repeatedly said that legalizing same-sex marriage will not affect private individuals. Are you going back on that? :rolleyes:

Basically you are saying that liberals are lying hypocritical bigots.
 
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Its one thing if the Florist was in some way tied to the state government or had some sort of contract in place but its another thing interfere with who private business chooses to do business with.
I think the Attorney Generals approach here is out of line and I support the florist.

This. If its government then they cant discriminate but the private sector can.
 
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Is your privately-owned business open to the public?

You can't have a privately owned business that's open to the public, with a sign out front saying "we only serve Whites". Isn't that what you're arguing for?

Its private property. You dont have the right to the services of a business. This is not government but the private sector.

Do you have the same views towards female only gyms? Or gay groups? la raza?
 

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"Because my religion says so" isn't an excuse to allow discrimination based on race/gender/age/sexual orientation or any other factor.

Maybe we should have the government preventing discrimination in our personal relationships as well, including marriage? For instance, a beautiful young girl shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against an ugly old man on the basis of his looks or age.

What a wonderful world it would be to have Big Government controlling every facet of lives!
 

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Its private property. You dont have the right to the services of a business. This is not government but the private sector.

Do you have the same views towards female only gyms? Or gay groups? la raza?

lets not forget ladies night where drinks are like a buck but for women only. that seems to be ok for the libtards.
 

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Do I really need to explain the difference between eating and buying flowers for a "wedding"?

In the context of merchant-customer relationship, go ahead explain.

BTW - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 wasn't restricted to just food service.
 

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In the context of merchant-customer relationship, go ahead explain.

BTW - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 wasn't restricted to just food service.

What part of
a longtime customer
don't you understand?


Also, do I need to remind you that liberals kept saying legalizing same-sex marriage won't affect private individuals? :colbert: