Floriday Attorney Genreal proposes immigration law like Arizona's

[classy]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67A2XS20100811

The federal gov needs to get on board, either do something or stop getting in the way of states in this matter, IMO!

Clearly nobody is reading. Obama has done more on this issue than the last 3 presidents combined. They just passed the border bill. They have begun to strip away the enablers, those who are illegally hiring. And they have been deporting thousands. He gets a solid B in this area.

 

[HomerJS]

Note the lack of going after businesses who hire illegals

 

[PricklyPete]

Note the lack of going after businesses who hire illegals

This pisses me off the most...this should be the starting point. Huge fines for hiring illegals.

 

[feralkid]

Tell me you're not allowed to vote. Illegal is not a race, its a crime. It has nothing to do with race.

If you entered the USA illegally, you are a criminal and need to be arrested and deported. Most of Arizona was behind the immigration laws, the idiots you saw on TV were from California. This should information should have been slapped over that broadcast in a big flashing watermark 'These people are from CA and do not represent Arizona.'

It may seem to like political pandering to some, and undeniably, some politicians are seizing on the opportunity to advance their re-election chances, but the fact is that this issue has been building for years. US citizens are getting fed up with their government ignoring their wishes.

Exactly.

Jan Brewer would have vetoed SB1070 in a heartbeat had it not been an election year.

Everyone knows this.

 

[alkemyst]

We need this in Florida. IMHO probably 90% of our gang problem is illegal aliens.

 

[peonyu]

Note the lack of going after businesses who hire illegals

Of course. And its no different than other types of corruption elsewhere in the world. The man who walked the length of the Amazon said this when asked about illegal mining/lumbering of the Amazon rainforest..

""It's the people in power who are benefiting from the extraction of the natural resources here," Stafford said. "That's why there are corrupt politicians and laws that aren't enforced and loads of unconstrained deforestation still going on."

Switch his quote from being about illegal mining and lumbering, to illegal immigrants being allowed to roam the US at will [for $$$] and it makes just as much sense as to why its allowed to continue.

And as far as illegals go in Florida, its really obvious that illegals are everywhere down here and that Washington has no desire to do anything about it [and Arizona has a bigger problem with it..jeez]. I can name many occasions about the bluntness of illegals when I was working different jobs...Construction ? Most of the workers are illegal. Everyone knows that though, its obvious. I used to work night shift at a Kinkos a few years ago, and on several different occasions had people come in with fake/stolen birth certificates and asked me to help them edit it on the printers. So that they're son/brother/whoever who was really born in Mexico could be shown as being born in say...Greenbough Mississippi under the name of John Green [which is really stupid considering the son in question spoke no English at all].

There were other occasions when I had to deal with illegals...But mainly the media has it wrong, the illegals are not afraid of being caught. They seem to know enforcement does not care [from the top down-washington down to local authorities]. So they flaunt it that they are illegal when they can..

But as far as S.Fl goes, it really is different here than other areas with massive ammounts of illegals. Miami is a largely Spanish speaking city, so illegals blend in easily. Its also a sanctuary city. And...the Latino voting block down here is huge. If any party were to crack down on illegals in this state they can write off FL as a state that would vote for them. So it is political suicide in FL to be anti-illegal.

 

[StageLeft]

Clearly nobody is reading. Obama has done more on this issue than the last 3 presidents combined. They just passed the border bill. They have begun to strip away the enablers, those who are illegally hiring. And they have been deporting thousands. He gets a solid B in this area.

Deportation rates better but still pathetic. This would be an easy issue to enforce with some will. Even if you didn't lock down the border, as mentioned all you need to do is enforce it against businesses and start levying huge fines. Hell, the fines already on the books are fine. Send an ICE vehicle patrolling new suburbs in the South he'll pay for his annual salary in fines levied inside of 30 minutes.

Really you don't need to lock the border down if you make businesses unwilling to hire. And set up stings at spots illegals are known to hang out at (there are many in the South) so that even people picking up guys to work on their lawn can get zapped by the police for hiring an illegal.

 

[StageLeft]

Of course. And its no different than other types of corruption elsewhere in the world. The man who walked the length of the Amazon said this when asked about illegal mining/lumbering of the Amazon rainforest..

""It's the people in power who are benefiting from the extraction of the natural resources here," Stafford said. "That's why there are corrupt politicians and laws that aren't enforced and loads of unconstrained deforestation still going on."

Switch his quote from being about illegal mining and lumbering, to illegal immigrants being allowed to roam the US at will [for $$$] and it makes just as much sense as to why its allowed to continue.

And as far as illegals go in Florida, its really obvious that illegals are everywhere down here and that Washington has no desire to do anything about it [and Arizona has a bigger problem with it..jeez]. I can name many occasions about the bluntness of illegals when I was working different jobs...Construction ? Most of the workers are illegal. Everyone knows that though, its obvious. I used to work night shift at a Kinkos a few years ago, and on several different occasions had people come in with fake/stolen birth certificates and asked me to help them edit it on the printers. So that they're son/brother/whoever who was really born in Mexico could be shown as being born in say...Greenbough Mississippi under the name of John Green [which is really stupid considering the son in question spoke no English at all].

There were other occasions when I had to deal with illegals...But mainly the media has it wrong, the illegals are not afraid of being caught. They seem to know enforcement does not care [from the top down-washington down to local authorities]. So they flaunt it that they are illegal when they can..

But as far as S.Fl goes, it really is different here than other areas with massive ammounts of illegals. Miami is a largely Spanish speaking city, so illegals blend in easily. Its also a sanctuary city. And...the Latino voting block down here is huge. If any party were to crack down on illegals in this state they can write off FL as a state that would vote for them. So it is political suicide in FL to be anti-illegal.

I was in DMV in bama and an illegal came in with an obviously forged social security card. And you do know what the lady did instead of giving him a license? Gave it back to him and said no license for you today. Can you fvcking believe it? I'm more likely to get a ticket for rolling a stop sign in front of a cop than somebody who uses fraudulent government papers in a government office looking for government ID.

 

[classy]

Deportation rates better but still pathetic. This would be an easy issue to enforce with some will. Even if you didn't lock down the border, as mentioned all you need to do is enforce it against businesses and start levying huge fines. Hell, the fines already on the books are fine. Send an ICE vehicle patrolling new suburbs in the South he'll pay for his annual salary in fines levied inside of 30 minutes.

Really you don't need to lock the border down if you make businesses unwilling to hire. And set up stings at spots illegals are known to hang out at (there are many in the South) so that even people picking up guys to work on their lawn can get zapped by the police for hiring an illegal.

Dude you are not going to clean up a 30-40 year mess in a handful of months. And they have seriously cracked down on companies hiring illegals.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html

 

[kage69]

Have you lived in the South? Because in certain places at certain times it sure can feel like an invasion.

South Miami, in particular, I agree. Hialeah, Florida City, Opa Locka, somehow lots of these locales have been turned into suburbs of Havana, and gringos have got some fvckin nerve to speak English there, or to lack the ability to decipher signs written in Spanish.

I'm all for diversity and "culturally specific neighborhoods" (Ni hao Chinatown!!!), but the hostility that is often shown towards non Latins down there is downright infuriating. When it comes from an illegal immigrant, it's damn near sickening. A friend of mine from Norway was almost attacked in South Miami once because an old Cuban man thought his broken English was mockery. I had to intervene and whisk him away before the watching crowd got involved. My friend now considers Miami to be the armpit of America, and has vowed to never return. "Why are people down here such assholes? I just wanted a coffee." I told him it was the heat.

Regardless, I've spent a lot of time living in foreign countries, and never once did I or any member of my family have the balls to get uppidity towards our hosts for not adopting our language and customs. Not to sound too bitter, but these indignant La Raza types can eat my balls.

 

[kage69]

This pisses me off the most...this should be the starting point. Huge fines for hiring illegals.

I couldn't agree more. BFT.

 

[StageLeft]

Dude you are not going to clean up a 30-40 year mess in a handful of months. And they have seriously cracked down on companies hiring illegals.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html

Well of course it won't be solved in a few months because the political will is not there even though the majority of Americans would exactly like to see what happened that I mentioned.

I am not even proposing new laws. Simply enforce the ones already on the books, they've been there for years and years.

 

[peonyu]

South Miami, in particular, I agree. Hialeah, Florida City, Opa Locka, somehow lots of these locales have been turned into suburbs of Havana, and gringos have got some fvckin nerve to speak English there, or to lack the ability to decipher signs written in Spanish.

I'm all for diversity and "culturally specific neighborhoods" (Ni hao Chinatown!!!), but the hostility that is often shown towards non Latins down there is downright infuriating. When it comes from an illegal immigrant, it's damn near sickening. A friend of mine from Norway was almost attacked in South Miami once because an old Cuban man thought his broken English was mockery. I had to intervene and whisk him away before the watching crowd got involved. My friend now considers Miami to be the armpit of America, and has vowed to never return. "Why are people down here such assholes? I just wanted a coffee." I told him it was the heat.

Regardless, I've spent a lot of time living in foreign countries, and never once did I or any member of my family have the balls to get uppidity towards our hosts for not adopting our language and customs. Not to sound too bitter, but these indignant La Raza types can eat my balls.

That sums up S.Florida pretty well. I would include most of Broward county [north of Miami] as part of the 'Havana' suburbs now. Ever since Miami became something of a shit hole to live in, the trend has been to move north. Course learning English should have been included with it but you would be forgiven for thinking otherwise. And Gringos do have more trouble down here than blacks or latins do. Its alot more common to hear of a white person getting beatup/robbed/mugged for being...white, than for a black or latin being targeted due to his color [tbh I have never heard of it in S.Fl].


And this is slightly off topic. But most scholarships in S.FL are still intended for 'national minorities' [meaning your screwed if you are white]...Last I checked, S.FL was a white minority, Hispanic majority region. So it kinda sucks to be exempt from Federal help intended for minorities...when you are technically a minority to. But your skin color doesnt match what they are looking for.

 

[kage69]

Dude you are not going to clean up a 30-40 year mess in a handful of months. And they have seriously cracked down on companies hiring illegals.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html

While it's true Obama is doing a better job on this front that most will give him credit for, I still believe that corporate interests have been able to influence the process enough so that it's mostly a collection of token actions. When I see stories about how the corporate mega farms and meat packing cities are feeling the pressure (and adjusting their behavior accordingly) then I will agree that we're making a fundamental change and progress. So far what I've seen are small businesses with a small number of illegals on the payroll that are facing the music. It's a start, don't get me wrong, but the scope and application have a long way to go. If there's been anything in the news about a crack down on the scale that I mentioned, well I'm all ears, erm....eyes?

 

[peonyu]

I was in DMV in bama and an illegal came in with an obviously forged social security card. And you do know what the lady did instead of giving him a license? Gave it back to him and said no license for you today. Can you fvcking believe it? I'm more likely to get a ticket for rolling a stop sign in front of a cop than somebody who uses fraudulent government papers in a government office looking for government ID.

The DMV's down here are awful. Thats really all to say about them, they are a mix of a gang hang out spot and a mix of people loitering around trying to sell fake Id's and fake birth certificates...So Yea, theres definately no corruption in S.FL and illegal immigration is not a problem at all [according to Washington].

 

[hal2kilo]

Well of course it won't be solved in a few months because the political will is not there even though the majority of Americans would exactly like to see what happened that I mentioned.

I am not even proposing new laws. Simply enforce the ones already on the books, they've been there for years and years.

As soon as congress starts allocating Billions more money for ICE and you are willing to either raise taxes to pay for it, or cut spending somewhere. We are a nation of laws and there is a process and an appeals process. Right now they only have budget to process about 400,000 people a year. The high priority are illegals with criminal records.

Sorry that it won't be like turning a light switch on.

Corporate interests and large campaign contributors are who you can blame for this. The solution is high fines and criminal charges for employers who hire illegals. No jobs and they will disappear.

 

[classy]

While it's true Obama is doing a better job on this front that most will give him credit for, I still believe that corporate interests have been able to influence the process enough so that it's mostly a collection of token actions. When I see stories about how the corporate mega farms and meat packing cities are feeling the pressure (and adjusting their behavior accordingly) then I will agree that we're making a fundamental change and progress. So far what I've seen are small businesses with a small number of illegals on the payroll that are facing the music. It's a start, don't get me wrong, but the scope and application have a long way to go. If there's been anything in the news about a crack down on the scale that I mentioned, well I'm all ears, erm....eyes?

Huh? Corporate interest? Man coporations are pissed about the border security bill. Why? Obama tied the costs to increases for visa fees for companies who bring in folks on work visas. Small businesses are the ones doing most of the illegal hiring. Its not like Jorge just crossed the border and is now at IBM. They have have levied millions in fines for companies. OB deserves some credit in this area. And he is doing it with some class. Some people have this idea of terrorizing whole people groups under some trumped up illegal blanket. They ship out a 100,000 or so a year I'll be happy.

 

[bfdd]

Clearly nobody is reading. Obama has done more on this issue than the last 3 presidents combined. They just passed the border bill. They have begun to strip away the enablers, those who are illegally hiring. And they have been deporting thousands. He gets a solid B in this area.

More like an F+ or D-. He's failing, but not as bad. Just because he's doing more than previous administrations does not mean we don't and shouldn't expect more.

 

[classy]

More like an F+ or D-. He's failing, but not as bad. Just because he's doing more than previous administrations does not mean we don't and shouldn't expect more.

See this is the kind of just dumb shit that is annoying. Lets see, he is fining businesses at record levels, check. He now is about to boost border control without making us foot the bill, check. He is shipping out illegals by record numbers, check. And he is doing it without turning on the news and seeing some goofball killing someone because they are illegal.

And there is no such thing as an F+ . No way on this front he gets D-. And its interesting that he hasn't needed to pass any racial profiling bills either.

 

[hal2kilo]

See this is the kind of just dumb shit that is annoying. Lets see, he is fining businesses at record levels, check. He now is about to boost border control without making us foot the bill, check. He is shipping out illegals by record numbers, check. And he is doing it without turning on the news and seeing some goofball killing someone because they are illegal.

And there is no such thing as an F+ . No way on this front he gets D-. And its interesting that he hasn't needed to pass any racial profiling bills either.

I keep wondering who it really is that wants Obama to be the Messiah.

 

[nick1985]

I keep wondering who it really is that wants Obama to be the Messiah.

Dave McOwen

 

[BoomerD]

See this is the kind of just dumb shit that is annoying. Lets see, he is fining businesses at record levels, check. He now is about to boost border control without making us foot the bill, check. He is shipping out illegals by record numbers, check. And he is doing it without turning on the news and seeing some goofball killing someone because they are illegal.

And there is no such thing as an F+ . No way on this front he gets D-. And its interesting that he hasn't needed to pass any racial profiling bills either.

OMG!! Someone said something negative about President Brotherman...While I agree that Obama has done more about the problem than past administrations, it's still just a drop in the bucket of what NEEDS to be done.

I'm sure that folks in Florida, especially those in south Florida would like to see something done about the Cuban invasion, just as folks in NY would like to see something done about the Puerto Rican invasion.

Why do Hispanics, regardless of where they're from, come to the USA and proceed to turn their neighborhoods into something that resembles the 3rd-world shithole they left? Why not try for an improvement over the place that was so bad you had to leave?

 

[dmcowen674]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hal2kilo
I keep wondering who it really is that wants Obama to be the Messiah.

Dave McOwen

Better than your hero Bush

 

[Tristicus]

Or at night.

Nope...then it is just odd rednecks or drunk/high black people.

 

[Fern]

I could be wrong, but I see the illegal immigration issue as (mostly) a cheap political issue. Sure, there are definitely problems, especially on border states (of which Florida is NOT one). But the typical overly dramatic presentation of the problem is pure political theater. Yes, illegal immigration is an issue. No, it's not an "invasion". Yes, we should come up with better policies for dealing with it. No, we don't need an electrified fence topped with terminator robots mowing down Mexicans.

In other words, just like terrorism before it, this is just another issue to manipulate people into supporting specific politicians and political groups without putting too much thought into it. Why else are the Republicans floating changing the 14th amendment, something they basically have zero chance of doing?

Have you lived in the South? Because in certain places at certain times it sure can feel like an invasion.

Exactly.

You don't need to be a border state to be 'invaded'.

I'm in NC and my county has been inundated. It happened in just a few years.

Our school sysytem is overloaded, and due to state mandated teacher:student ratios our county budget is under servere strain, not to mention the DHS type expenses.

Our crime rate has been effected, the county's top 10 wanted criminal list invariable includes about 8 illegals.

Anybody who's not having significant problems in their area should consider themselves fortunate.

Fern