Florida rejects Obama's choo-choo train money.

[ElFenix]

No state should be getting more than it pays in taxes + state loans.

eh, by necessity national projects are going to have higher per capita spending on states with lower density. the entire state of new mexico has about as many people as my county and several orders of magnitude more federal roadway. as well as several orders of magnitude more military installations. that just has to be that way or you can't have national projects.

 

[fskimospy]

If every person in every state got back an equal share of the total federal tax revenue collected each year, "blue" states would get back less per capita than "red" states, simple because rich, evil, people and corporations tend to reside in those areas, paying disproportionately higher taxes into the system than their population, reducing that state's per capita return.

Simple as that. The very rich people that don't pay their fair share are the ones skewing the numbers.

If you support raising taxes on the rich, you want "blue" states to get less per capita return, and "red" states to get more.

If you want "blue" states to get more per capita return, then you support lowering taxes on the rich, or raising taxes on the middle/lower class.

I believe you are stating that more wealthy people live in blue states than in red ones, correct? I haven't seen compilations of income data by top quintile as related to states, but certainly the median income for blue states is higher on average than for red states.

All this is completely irrelevant though because I think you are mistaking me pointing out a fact that I believe other people would care about as evidence that I care about it myself. I don't.

 

[Steeplerot]

Debt isn't attached to discretionary spending just because its discretionary.

This is quite a difficult concept for them it seems.

 

[chucky2]

Too bad the reality is red states suck monies from the blue states. Anyhow, if that is a problem try digging up the founding fathers and bitch to them. I am sure there may be some gold in their teeth left you can pry from their skulls to hawk to Glenn Beck for a buck while you are at it.

Haha, this is Epic! My, my, my, you Libs are sounding more and more Conservative every day!!! Hahahaha! :biggrin:

I'd suggest you go gold hunting...using your logic, CA owes the Fed way more than they've been paying in.

Oh man, another Lefty self destructing...haha...

Chuck

 

[OCGuy]

Haha, this is Epic! My, my, my, you Libs are sounding more and more Conservative every day!!! Hahahaha! :biggrin:

I'd suggest you go gold hunting...using your logic, CA owes the Fed way more than they've been paying in.

Oh man, another Lefty self destructing...haha...

Chuck

Yep. And all the people who pay no income tax owe me a shit-ton of cash according to this logic. Haha.

 

[Steeplerot]

I already told you off little child. No more posting in train threads. Shoo.

Ok keyboard commando, check it out.
Feel free to PM me your address next time you think your balls are big enough to speak to a grown man like that in person. I am always very willing to help redistribute the love. Thx.

 

[chucky2]

eh, by necessity national projects are going to have higher per capita spending on states with lower density. the entire state of new mexico has about as many people as my county and several orders of magnitude more federal roadway. as well as several orders of magnitude more military installations. that just has to be that way or you can't have national projects.

If done properly, the Fed building a military base in a state doesn't count against the state allotment. The Fed decided it needed a military base there, not the state, the Fed can pay for it. Same for roadway if the Fed determines its something the Fed needs.

What I'm talking about is when a state decides it wants to build a multi-Billion HSR system, or a roadway the Fed itself doesn't need, etc. etc. The state needs to use its own funds (actual cash, loans, whatever) to fund it.

And Yes I know the Fed system is so F'd up this has about a 0% chance of ever working like it should...I'm just saying, it should work like that...

Chuck

 

[PeshakJang]

Debt isn't attached to discretionary spending just because its discretionary.

When the federal government has a $1.5+ Trillion dollar deficit this year, then yes, that debt is logically attached to discretionary spending before it can be attached to non-discretionary.

It's the difference between "having" to pay for something, and "wanting" to pay for something. After you pay for what you "have" to, everything that is left is for what you "want".

On paper, yeah, it doesn't get assigned to one thing or another, but logically, it does.

 

[PeshakJang]

Ok keyboard commando, check it out.
Feel free to PM me your address next time you think your balls are big enough to speak to a grown man like that in person. I am always very willing to help redistribute the love. Thx.

You going to come beat me up? Sorry, train doesn't come here. I've also calmed down quite a bit since getting back from Afghanistan, so I'll pass. I've gotten into enough fights with people that actually did deserve it.

 

[chucky2]

Don't apply logic to arguing with him... he'll tell you 1+1 = 3 and fight to the death defending that idea.

I'm actually stunned he's still posting after you destroyed his arguments earlier...oh well, now we'll get to see him try and wiggle out of the 'elite' states not "paying their fair share". He seems to think an 'elite' - never mind the 'elitist of the elite' - should be getting back at least as much as they paid in, if not more...what does he think, the 'elite' are the commoners? <Elite laugh>Muwhahahhahaha</Elite laugh>

This makes it like 3 now? 4? Heck, at this rate, by 2012 this forum is going to be total Conservative... :biggrin:

Chuck

 

[Steeplerot]

I've gotten into enough fights with people that actually did deserve it.

Then act like an adult, no one cares who you think you owned or whatever but a few fanboys here. And they are not exactly the cream of the conservative crop if you get my drift. Arrogance is not flattering to many folks and does not win people over. (or are you just ranting to a few dittoheads?) if so you should be ignored as you invalidate your own credibility by exclusion of viewpoints through knowing ignorance. (which is dishonest)

In other words, I laugh at your assumptions and narrow viewpoint/conclusions when you never even got what people are talking about in the first place. Quite a few are laughing at this who follow.

 

[PeshakJang]

Then act like an adult, no one cares who you think you owned or whatever but a few fanboys here. And they are not exactly the cream of the conservative crop if you get my drift. Arrogance is not flattering to many folks and does not win people over. (or are you just ranting to a few dittoheads?)

I'm just laughing at your inability to accept facts that are presented to you. Logic and well-constructed arguments couldn't win you over, reality couldn't win you over, so I've resorted to just enjoying the show. ()🙂

 

[fskimospy]

I'm actually stunned he's still posting after you destroyed his arguments earlier...oh well, now we'll get to see him try and wiggle out of the 'elite' states not "paying their fair share". He seems to think an 'elite' - never mind the 'elitist of the elite' - should be getting back at least as much as they paid in, if not more...what does he think, the 'elite' are the commoners? <Elite laugh>Muwhahahhahaha</Elite laugh>

This makes it like 3 now? 4? Heck, at this rate, by 2012 this forum is going to be total Conservative... :biggrin:

Chuck

No one's trying to wiggle out of it. By all means explain your plan, I'll be waiting. 🙂

 

[chucky2]

Then act like an adult, no one cares who you think you owned or whatever but a few fanboys here. And they are not exactly the cream of the conservative crop if you get my drift. Arrogance is not flattering to many folks and does not win people over. (or are you just ranting to a few dittoheads?) if so you should be ignored as you invalidate your own credibility by exclusion of viewpoints through knowing ignorance. (which is dishonest)

I'm not sure why you're saying this to him?

Heck, I've accepted your viewpoint! You've won! :thumbsup:

Now, since you've won and we're using your logic, please just make sure to send tens of Billions more from the state of CA to cover your 'elite' level of earning. After all, and there is zero doubt you don't agree with this, the 'elite' earners need to subsidize those who aren't 'elite' earners.

So, pay up! If there's money left over after all the 'commoner' states spend "their" money (really it'd have been yours, but, well, 'you make too much'), you can get your Fed HSR funding.

I'm glad we could agree on something, and really I like your way of thinking! Sucks that I too am in an 'elite' state, but hey, everyone has to take their lumps...

Chuck

 

[Steeplerot]

so I've resorted to just enjoying the show. ()🙂

arrogance, when failing to grasp the big picture is too tough. (or inconvenient)

You are quite the conserva-sociopath type as someone else pegged you earlier. damn.

Get this mofo some universal head-care. stat. we got a wingnut gone critical batshit! :awe:

 

[Steeplerot]

I'm not sure why you're saying this to him?

Heck, I've accepted your viewpoint! You've won! :thumbsup:

Now, since you've won and we're using your logic, please just make sure to send tens of Billions more from the state of CA to cover your 'elite' level of earning. After all, and there is zero doubt you don't agree with this, the 'elite' earners need to subsidize those who aren't 'elite' earners.

So, pay up! If there's money left over after all the 'commoner' states spend "their" money (really it'd have been yours, but, well, 'you make too much'), you can get your Fed HSR funding.

I'm glad we could agree on something, and really I like your way of thinking! Sucks that I too am in an 'elite' state, but hey, everyone has to take their lumps...

Chuck

What a bunch of incoherent nonsense.

 

[chucky2]

No one's trying to wiggle out of it. By all means explain your plan, I'll be waiting. 🙂

The plan is the Lib plan...what 'waiting' do you need to do? Any of the top earners, the 'elite', need to be paying 70&#37; - or more, pick 90something% as I've seen posted in P&B by one of your Lib buddies - of their income to the Fed, i.e. 'their fair share'.

Now, CA doesn't get back quite what they pay in, but, they shouldn't be getting back near what they pay in. That money is for the 'commoner' states, the non-'elite' income earners.

What's so hard to understand about this? It's the Lib taxation plan you all have been talking up forever on here, I'm just breaking down and seeing it your way!

So, all the top income earner states, the 'elite', need to start paying in 70% - or more, you pick the very high % since it's your plan - of their income to the Fed, and, of course, get very little of that money back (just like the individual elites don't).

You do support this, do you not?

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

Wha, wha, what?!?! Don't tell me....you've gone Conservative too now??? I don't believe it...

...which means you're a hypocrite.

Which one is it?

Chuck

 

[SunnyD]

Let me ask this - is I-4 still under construction? Cause when I left (~4 years ago) it was still horrible and had been under construction for at least 6 years prior.

 

[fskimospy]

The plan is the Lib plan...what 'waiting' do you need to do? Any of the top earners, the 'elite', need to be paying 70% - or more, pick 90something% as I've seen posted in P&B by one of your Lib buddies - of their income to the Fed, i.e. 'their fair share'.

Now, CA doesn't get back quite what they pay in, but, they shouldn't be getting back near what they pay in. That money is for the 'commoner' states, the non-'elite' income earners.

What's so hard to understand about this? It's the Lib taxation plan you all have been talking up forever on here, I'm just breaking down and seeing it your way!

So, all the top income earner states, the 'elite', need to start paying in 70% - or more, you pick the very high % since it's your plan - of their income to the Fed, and, of course, get very little of that money back (just like the individual elites don't).

You do support this, do you not?

Chuck

Right, so as I asked before, pay 70% in what way? What is California paying 70% on?

 

[Steeplerot]

Wha, wha, what?!?! Don't tell me....you've gone Conservative too now??? I don't believe it...

Yes, Limbaugh is my soviet mind controlled bitch now, and Comrade Zombie Lenin took over Glenn Becks show last week thanks to the help of Comrades Hannity and O'reilly. (who always worked for us)

We are sending NBPP bruthas to your moms basement as we speak. I hope you took the trash out, becasue comrade Zombie Stalin can wait a loooooong time while mom yells at you to go outside for once. And then.....we blast your ass with the gay zap-o-matic. It's over patriots!

 

[chucky2]

Right, so as I asked before, pay 70% in what way? What is California paying 70% on?

Their income of course...

 

[fskimospy]

Their income of course...

The state should pay 70% of its income to the federal government? The state doesn't have income, only revenues, so they would have an income tax rate of zero.

Great plan.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Too bad the reality is red states suck monies from the blue states. Anyhow, if that is a problem try digging up the founding fathers and bitch to them. I am sure there may be some gold in their teeth left you can pry from their skulls to hawk to Glenn Beck for a buck while you are at it.

Yet the blue states do not have the ability to survive without assistance from the red states.

They have crippled their self sufficiency to the point that their population would revolt if they had to suffice on their own.

Both types are inter-dependent and all states need to have a say on what the future obligations will be and who will be responsible for them.

 

[chucky2]

Yes, Limbaugh is my soviet mind controlled bitch now, and Comrade Zombie Lenin took over Glenn Becks show last week thanks to the help of Comrades Hannity and O'reilly. (who always worked for us)

No wonder your brain is gone, you listen to them?!?! Very bad for you...soon they'll have you believing that what people make they should actually be able to keep! Danger! Danger!

We are sending NBPP bruthas to your moms basement as we speak. I hope you took the trash out, becasue comrade Zombie Stalin can wait a loooooong time while mom yells at you to go outside for once. And then.....we blast your ass with the gay zap-o-matic. It's over patriots!

I doubt the NBPP would make it through my moms basement, you best send them through one of the doors. Make sure to tell them to be quiet though, the black neighbors that completely surround me all can't stand punk @ss thugs...maybe you should just do it yourself? Why send someone?

It must be hard so completely having your ideology disturbed, I truly do feel sorry for you... 🙁

Chuck

P.S. Please make sure CA sends those tens of Billions!