Florida Man Is Shot to Death for Texting During Movie Previews

[SpatiallyAware]

Yep
Blame the victim
Rape victims are begging for it too,
Go away old man for a long long time. Hopefully it balances the message that your aren't judge jury and executioner cause you have a CCW permit and THAT is the message that should be taken away

Hopefully it reinforces the message that if you go around antagonizing and bullying people you will eventually run across someone who (legal or not) will finish what you started.

 

[Genx87]

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/2...released-from-fatal-florida-theatre-shooting

Thanks

 

[irishScott]

I expect people to follow the law and suffer the consequences of not doing so, period. We have degrees of punishment for specific types of crimes for a reason, not every mistake in life should result in death.

Much as I often disagree with him, Spatially Aware has something of a point. If you go around picking on people eventually you're going to pick on the wrong one; in this case one who didn't know and/or didn't care about the finer details of self defense law or its corresponding morality.

If I picked up some strange guy's popcorn in a theater and threw it in his face, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect at least a fist in response, that's just common knowledge. In worse areas it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect more than a fist. Guy went looking for trouble and found more than he bargained for. That doesn't justify the shooting, but it means the guy throwing the popcorn isn't someone I feel a great deal of sympathy for or outrage over.

 

[Kadarin]

I'm still of the opinion that, as a retired cop, the shooter felt absolutely certain that he was in the right in shooting the victim. Cops rarely if ever face consequences for their actions.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I'm still of the opinion that, as a retired cop, the shooter felt absolutely certain that he was in the right in shooting the victim. Cops rarely if ever face consequences for their actions.

As much as the modern progressives here hate it, legally he does appear to be in the clear. Hard to tell, cause florida, but the only real question in this situation in disparity of force.

If the defense can show that young buck had a clear disparity of force against a 70+ year old man then he will walk.

 

[shortylickens]

this is why I dont go to theaters. In addition to all the self-centered assholes you're also in a confined space with angry violent assholes.

Not a good combination at all. Even though I dont make noise I'd still be worried about getting caught in the middle of a wrestling match or shooting or stabbing.

 

[spidey07]

As much as the modern progressives here hate it, legally he does appear to be in the clear. Hard to tell, cause florida, but the only real question in this situation in disparity of force.

If the defense can show that young buck had a clear disparity of force against a 70+ year old man then he will walk.

They've been wrong on just about every self defense shooting so far. Let them bat a perfect 100% wrong.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

this is why I dont go to theaters. In addition to all the self-centered assholes you're also in a confined space with angry violent assholes.

Not a good combination at all. Even though I dont make noise I'd still be worried about getting caught in the middle of a wrestling match or shooting or stabbing.

Unless you have an uncontrollable violent temper that might cause you to steal some old man's popcorn and throw it in his face you should be ok..?

This was not some random shooting. Young buck provoked the old man. You go in and poke and antagonize people and eventually you get bit, legally or not.


Again.. For the modern progressives... Not saying it's morally ok to shoot the young buck... But it seems like no one who knew him is all that surprised that this happened.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I'm still of the opinion that, as a retired cop, the shooter felt absolutely certain that he was in the right in shooting the victim. Cops rarely if ever face consequences for their actions.

If there is a clear disparity of force (you are in a group, larger than the other person, younger than the other person) then you DEFINITELY should not go around picking fights with people. Because in most places in the US, your victim can legally shoot you dead.


For me it's easy. I don't pick on people, I don't antagonize situations, so I don't have to worry about it.


Some people on here apparently are worried, I guess because their behaviour might result in a good shoot?

Bottom line, just like our other "good shoot" threads... Don't viciously attack random people, don't antagonize people older/smaller than you, and you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

 

[Lepton87]

I had no idea that so many people thought that popcorn is so dangerous and you should use lethal force in retaliation. IMHO the old man should rot in prison. He killed him because that guy made him angry not because he wanted to defend himself. Is that really a legitimate use of a weapon? Someone made me angry, I'm going to shoot him because I can! IMHO a gun should only be used in self-defense or defense of other people or to protect your property. But out of spite? It's no wonder that some people want to make laws that would strictly control who can have weapons. I think that it would be more important to enact laws that would make such killings as that in this cinema illegal just like it is everywhere else in the world.

 

[spidey07]

Don't want to get shot?

Don't attack people. It's just that simple.

This whole purposeful diversion of the facts of "shot over texting", "shot over popcorn" is to make an emotional plea away from the facts of the matter.

This thug was shot because he attacked a Senior Citizen in his chair. Nothing more, nothing less. Thug played the whole "hold me back! hold me back!" with his wife. Thug didn't realize that he poked the wrong armed bear.

 

[etrigan420]

Much as I often disagree with him, Spatially Aware has something of a point. If you go around picking on people eventually you're going to pick on the wrong one; in this case one who didn't know and/or didn't care about the finer details of self defense law or its corresponding morality.

If I picked up some strange guy's popcorn in a theater and threw it in his face, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect at least a fist in response, that's just common knowledge. In worse areas it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect more than a fist. Guy went looking for trouble and found more than he bargained for. That doesn't justify the shooting, but it means the guy throwing the popcorn isn't someone I feel a great deal of sympathy for or outrage over.

Phrased differently:

If I went and bitched about some strange guy texting on his cell phone and said disparaging shit to his face, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect at least a fist in response...common knowledge and all.

Old guy went looking for trouble and got in over his head. Good thing he had a gun to de-escalate the situation, because he clearly lacked the common sense and social skills necessary to do that on his own.

 

[Lepton87]

Don't want to get shot?

Don't attack people. It's just that simple.

It wasn't an attack, it was more like spitting in someone's face, very impolite but NOT dangerous. Would you feel save if you had a car collision with that guy? What If he shot you? Too bad, don't want to get shot? Don't have a fender-bender with a madman! It's that simple. Are you certain that he wouldn't use a gun if after a car collision he got into a quarrel over whose fault it was? I'm not, he's dangerous, he needs to be locked away.

 

[spidey07]

It wasn't an attack, it was more like spitting in someone's face, very impolite but NOT dangerous. Would you feel save if you had a car collision with that guy? What If he shot you? Too bad, don't want to get shot? Don't have a fender-bender with a madman! It's that simple. Are you certain that he wouldn't use a gun if after a car collision he got into a quarrel over whose fault it was? I'm not, he's dangerous, he needs to be locked away.

Apples and oranges.

The thug physically took the seniors property and threw it at him.

Put yourself in the seniors shoes. You've got a guy raging on you, comes close enough to remove something from your hand. Wife is still trying to prevent him from kicking the seniors skull in.

Good shoot.

Don't do that. You may get dead.

You're mixing emotions against facts.

Also. If you attempt to enter my occupied vehicle I can lawfully shoot. Lesson here? Don't do that.

 

[Lepton87]

Apples and oranges.

The thug physically took the seniors property and threw it at him.

Put yourself in the seniors shoes. You've got a guy raging on you, comes close enough to remove something from your hand. Wife is still trying to prevent him from kicking the seniors skull in.

Good shoot.

Don't do that. You may get dead.

You're mixing emotions against facts.

Also. If you attempt to enter my occupied vehicle I can lawfully shoot. Lesson here? Don't do that.

I'm not pusillanimous, if he wanted to hit he would do that instead of throwing popcorn. I'm not used to being scared in such situations because in here no one is afraid of getting shot. So your reaction when you have a collision is to clench your weapon and call the police? Gish, you are a coward. I only resort to calling the police when we can't agree who was at fault.

 

[spidey07]

You think it's about being scared. I think it's about protecting my life.

Big difference.

The saying is don't fuck with old people. They didn't get old by being stupid or weak. That addage proves true once again.

 

[Lepton87]

You think it's about being scared. I think it's about protecting my life.

Big difference.

The saying is don't fuck with old people. They didn't get old by being stupid or weak. That addage proves true once again.

So you admit that he's a danger to the society and yet you think he should not be locked?
ps. In a civilized society you should have no reason to fear for your life in such situations.

 

[spidey07]

So you admit that he's a danger to the society and yet you think he should not be locked?
ps. In a civilized society you should have no reason to fear for your life in such situations.

We don't live in a civilized society.

 

[shortylickens]

Unless you have an uncontrollable violent temper that might cause you to steal some old man's popcorn and throw it in his face you should be ok..?

This was not some random shooting. Young buck provoked the old man. You go in and poke and antagonize people and eventually you get bit, legally or not.


Again.. For the modern progressives... Not saying it's morally ok to shoot the young buck... But it seems like no one who knew him is all that surprised that this happened.

And if I were on the sidelines, I'd be getting stray bullets.

 

[Jaskalas]

We don't live in a civilized society.

Now there is something to agree on.
/thread.

 

[blankslate]

Fine, so let's assume you're a slack jawed mouth breather who isn't paying attention or doesn't care. As a result, you might get a crotchety old man telling you to turn off the phone.


Both things honestly are fairly acceptable things to have happen. But the line was crossed when young buck took the old man's popcorn and threw it in his face.

Let's assume you have no common sense, because the line was really crossed when someone used lethal force in response to thrown popcorn.

How you can't see that would be mindboggling if not for the general mediocrity of your posts on average.






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[HumblePie]

Yep
Blame the victim
Rape victims are begging for it too,
Go away old man for a long long time. Hopefully it balances the message that your aren't judge jury and executioner cause you have a CCW permit and THAT is the message that should be taken away

Horrible analogy and not even close.

A rape victim doesn't go around asking random strange men to do sexual acts upon her. Chad was asking for a fight. He was the one that was making threats. He was the one that was escalating a physical confrontation. Chad I bet was hoping the old man would either try to punch him or run like a little girl so he'd feel like a nice bully. Instead he got shot for his actions. This is not at all the same as blaming the victim. Chad was looking for a fight and instead got a bullet. But nice strawman attempt anyhow. Because this is nothing like "blaming the victim" as you propped up.

 

[CitizenKain]

We don't live in a civilized society.

Not with "people" like you around.

I think its funny people accuse Chad of being a bully, the old piece of shit was a cop. He made a career of intimidating, threatening and being abusive, but its all the young guy.

 

[irishScott]

Phrased differently:

If I went and bitched about some strange guy texting on his cell phone and said disparaging shit to his face, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect at least a fist in response...common knowledge and all.

Old guy went looking for trouble and got in over his head. Good thing he had a gun to de-escalate the situation, because he clearly lacked the common sense and social skills necessary to do that on his own.

Actually yeah, have you never witnessed a bar fight? They're usually about equally stupid shit. Don't intentionally offend strangers you wouldn't be willing to fight, because they might not have the inhibitions you do. The majority might respond like rational adults who don't want a fight, but a significant minority will fight you, and a miniscule but still significant minority will kill you. This is reality, particularly outside of rich neighborhoods.

Both parties are to blame here. Should the old guy go to jail? Yes. Am I sad or angry that there's one less douchebag in the world? Not really. The wife and kids are the victims here, but I'm not at all confident that said douchebag was a good father anyway.

 

[Vic]

Just going to interject some facts here. According to witnesses, Reeves dared Oulson to throw the popcorn ("throw popcorn in my face" ). Now, if you look closely at the video, you see that Reeves already had his hand on his gun before the popcorn was thrown.
This wasn't self defense, this was premeditated murder.