Florida Man Is Shot to Death for Texting During Movie Previews

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SpatiallyAware

SpatiallyAware

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Nebor said:
I can understand Zimmerman's position a lot better than Reeves'. Zimmerman was performing the duties of a neighborhood watchman, and approached someone who quite plainly did not belong in his neighborhood. That individual then attacked him fiercely. IMO if not for Zimmerman, Trayvon would have been shot by someone else or in prison within 5 years anyway.

So while Trayvon didn't NEED to get shot initially, his own actions eventually created that need.
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Go read the first 100 pages of the Zimmerman thread.. Full of the same nutter gun grabbers, pulling out the pitchforks when there isn't enough evidence to form an informed opinion.
 
D1gger

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Vic said:
Hmm.. I'm going to have to disagree with this.
The fact that Oulsons wife's hand was shot with the same bullet that struck Oulson in the chest indicates that she was standing between the two. This is the most damning evidence against Reeves IMO and does not make his actions appear law abiding. It certainly will not look good to a jury.
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Another interpretation could be that she was reaching out, with her hand on her husband's chest to try to stop him from climbing over the seats to beat the old man silly.

The point is, we don't yet have the full scenario so it is too early to judge.
 
SolMiester

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Vaux said:
Apparently the wife placed her hand on the husband and the bullet struck her hand and then entered his chest. If I understand correctly, only one shot was fired.

And being in a movie theater and arguing about a text has no bearing at all on the situation, what matters is what was said or done that led to the guy pulling his gun, which conveniently the article doesn't bother to explain.
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BUT, if the officer didnt have his gun on him, no fucking body would be dead period.
 
HomerJS

HomerJS

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Venix said:
Wrong, but not worth my time to argue semantics. Your comment was an intellectually lazy misrepresentation of firearm proponents' views. If you think it was clever, cutting satire that added value to the thread, you have low standards.

The "good shoot" comments are pretty funny because there are people here who seem to invariably support the shooter no matter the circumstances. That's satire.
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One exception, Marissa Alexander
 
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nehalem256

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Vic said:
Hmm.. I'm going to have to disagree with this.
The fact that Oulsons wife's hand was shot with the same bullet that struck Oulson in the chest indicates that she was standing between the two. This is the most damning evidence against Reeves IMO and does not make his actions appear law abiding. It certainly will not look good to a jury.
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If she was standing in between them wouldn't she likely have been shot in some other place than just her hand?

D1gger said:
Another interpretation could be that she was reaching out, with her hand on her husband's chest to try to stop him from climbing over the seats to beat the old man silly.

The point is, we don't yet have the full scenario so it is too early to judge.
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Lets think here.
Chad-Oulson-family.jpg


Does that guy look like someone who needs protection from his wife from a 70 year old man? Or maybe like someone who needs his wife to keep him from trying to beat an old guy who he has already launched projectiles at.

He throws his popcorn at the old guy. And is like shit just got real old man. And then keeping it real went drastically wrong for him.
 
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TerryMathews

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nehalem256 said:
If she was standing in between them wouldn't she likely have been shot in some other place than just her hand?



Lets think here.
Chad-Oulson-family.jpg


Does that guy look like someone who needs protection from his wife from a 70 year old man? Or maybe like someone who needs his wife to keep him from trying to beat an old guy who he has already launched projectiles at.

He throws his popcorn at the old guy. And is like shit just got real old man. And then keeping it real went drastically wrong for him.
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Its an interesting theory. I wonder if they can prove the relationship of her hand to his chest via ballistics?

I would think holding someone back and protecting them from and aggressor would produce two very different wounds.
 
MrPickins

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nehalem256 said:
Does that guy look like someone who needs protection from his wife from a 70 year old man? Or maybe like someone who needs his wife to keep him from trying to beat an old guy who he has already launched projectiles at.
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You're cracking me up with "projectiles".

You don't really believe the shit you spew do you?
 
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nehalem256 said:
Does that guy look like someone who needs protection from his wife from a 70 year old man? Or maybe like someone who needs his wife to keep him from trying to beat an old guy who he has already launched projectiles at.
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It doesn't matter how much bigger and stronger he has, the guy pulled on a gun on him. The wife very well could have been instinctively trying to take the bullet.

nehalem256 said:
He throws his popcorn at the old guy. And is like shit just got real old man. And then keeping it real went drastically wrong for him.
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Yeah, throwing a bag of popcorn, don't get much more real than that....
 
umbrella39

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Updates... some new...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/14/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/

Cliffs:

* told police he feared the man was going to attack him.
* shot once, hitting Chad Oulson in the chest and Oulson's wife, Nicole, in the hand she was using to grab her husband in an attempt to calm things down.
* an off-duty deputy five seats over charged toward him and grabbed the gun, which had jammed.
* Witnesses told police they saw no punches being thrown during the incident, according to the report.
* Police said despite Reeves' claim that he was in fear of his safety, this was not a case for Florida's "stand your ground" defense.
* "Working with the state attorney's office it was determined that stand-your-ground does not fly here in this case," Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco said.
* authorities said a preliminary investigation had determined that there was no physical contact during the incident Monday afternoon at a theater in the Tampa suburb of Wesley Chapel. It was popcorn, thrown by Oulson, 43, that struck Reeves.

This never should have escalated to this. No one should text in theaters. Period. Leave the phones off. That said this is common and done often by kids (not at this particular flick but you know what I mean) I hope this guy would not have killed a 12 year old girl for throwing popcorn at him.

Ignoring the obvious troll replies... his defense lawyer is going to have a hard road ahead of him IMO. No contact whatsoever and only the fear for life threatening popped corn as a defense.. come on old man. Go outside and yell at the sky. Leave the movies to the youngens...
 
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cubby1223

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The guy, who after repeatedly asked to stop texting, refuses to do so, refuses to turn his phone off, refuses to finish the conversation out in the hallway, decided to throw popcorn at the other guy? In some sort of display of his manhood? Do stupid shit to others and stupid shit might just happen to you in return. Give this guy a Darwin Award and I'm done with this news story.
 
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Merad

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This guy is screwed. There's no way that "I feared he was going to attack me" can be twisted to justify a stand your ground or any other kind of defense, really. And in this case there will be no shortage of witnesses to confirm the prosecution's accusations.
 
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nehalem256

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Merad said:
This guy is screwed. There's no way that "I feared he was going to attack me" can be twisted to justify a stand your ground or any other kind of defense, really. And in this case there will be no shortage of witnesses to confirm the prosecution's accusations.
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You mean except for the guy throwing things at people and the guy's own wife putting her hand on him to "calm him"?
 
Pray To Jesus

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Merad said:
This guy is screwed. There's no way that "I feared he was going to attack me" can be twisted to justify a stand your ground or any other kind of defense, really. And in this case there will be no shortage of witnesses to confirm the prosecution's accusations.
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He's a retired cop. I wonder how it will play out. Was the wife trying to hold her husband back from attacking the old man?

The defense have a reasonable argument that because he was in fear of getting attacked, his training kicked in automatically after he was physically assaulted with the popcorn. This argument wouldn't work if he left the theater to get his gun and came back with it (very low chance this is true).


I'll stick with "presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".
 
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nehalem256

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LTC8K6 said:
He's a retired, respected, police Captain, allowed to conceal carry under federal law anywhere, anytime. He will be difficult to put in jail, I think. His defense probably will actually center around the bag of popcorn being thrown. Reaching for something, throwing motion, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act
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He had just thrown something at him and his wife had put a hand on him to hold him back. Gee, if his own wife is worried he is about to get violent how much more evidence do you need?
 
LTC8K6

LTC8K6

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nehalem256 said:
He had just thrown something at him and his wife had put a hand on him to hold him back. Gee, if his own wife is worried he is about to get violent how much more evidence do you need?
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It's not clear what the wife was doing when her hand was in the line of fire. For example, did the bullet enter the palm, or the back, of the wife's hand?
 
brianmanahan

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maybe if the guy getting shot was a hobo, people here would be more sympathetic

but he was texting in a movie preview, so i guess he's fair game

:rolleyes:
 
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