Florida High School Shooting

[soundforbjt]

And each one needs to be vetted and that does not appear to have been done here. A quick search into him would have revealed that he had abused animals, been in trouble for violence, had mental health issues, lost a parent, and was making threats.

All of which would have been enough to start something.

From your article.



Are you trying to say that the FBI only does something if it gets 2 or more tips?

So, none of the local officials are to blame? Not the crisis workers who interviewed him and did nothing, not the local police who were called to his house multiple times, just the FBI. Got it.

 

[HomerJS]

Yes, reporting can work and should be done. I have seen nothing here that indicates it would have prevented this case. You guys realize just how high the standard is for involuntarily committing someone, right? (And for good reason)

How about placing a flag on his record so he couldn't legally buy guns

 

[fskimospy]

This is what confuses me. You intend to say something, but words that say another. Its not similar to culling unless the intent was to enact something to specifically cause deaths. So if your goal is to trigger people to fight back so you could kill them then culling would be correct. If you are not intending to purposefully provoke then culling is not correct.

So is it correct or incorrect to say that you hope to provoke dummies into an uprising? If no, then not culling. If yes culling and horrific.

I don't think its pedantic to say that the implications of your words imply you are wanting something horrific. If you misspoke then its not horrific, but if your words were correct that is horrible. I see no problem in questioning your meaning.

It was not difficult to discern what he meant. In fact I told you what he meant several times and you ignored it. You may want to take your own advice about admitting when you’re wrong.

 

[zinfamous]

If you cant keep up with tips, then how in the hell are you going to keep up with the work required to ban guns?

Either the government is competent enough to track down leads, or they are not. If this is too hard for them, so is something like banning guns.

The problem with this is that nearly anyone could be reported for essentially any reason. The first job is separating the phony/disgruntled/revenge tips from the legit ones. Then you have to separate the real threats out of the pool of legit tips. An organization only has so many resources to devote to this kind of thing. And even if you follow up, many could probably slip through.

The point is that yeah, the FBI probably dropped the ball, so did the local authorities, but how can't they? It's a near-impossible task that follows terrorist math: "the murderers only need to be right once, the FBI needs to be right 100% of the time." Further, one wonders how many times they are successful in responding to these tips. There aren't any numbers on tragedies that never happened because of this system, and there never will be. But, obviously, the one crazy that gets through is never going to be tolerable for anyone.

Behind all of this, really, is the uncomfortbale acceptance that "better mental health" is a nonsense canard. It is only ever going to be discussed in hindsight, because none of this gets fixed until society as a whole puts on its big boy pants and starts making some hard decisions about changing this culture. That means actual sacrificies from people, for the common good: something we used to be pretty damn good at. Large sections of our population have lost their way, however. It's now all about "Me and muh Freedumb!"

 

[mdram]

How about placing a flag on his record so he couldn't legally buy guns

that can be done with a restraining order
if the school would have taken on out last year due to the issues they said they had, well he wouldnt have been able to buy the firearm

 

[mdram]

so he was reported
has the fbi talked with leo's
they sould have seen all the police calls to the house
over 30 in a few years iirc

 

[Younigue]

Dude, the FBI spent years investigating every aspect of Hillary Clinton's life over NOTHING. She was the former secretary of state and yet somehow you're telling me the FBI were "powerless" to stop some psychopathic orphan living in a foster home because of US gun laws? While people were literally calling the FBI and telling them this kid was going to shoot up a school any minute?


lmao


They were just busy doing "other shit"...

I don't think sifting through all of the warnings they get about dangerous people is an easy task. I'm sad the F.B.I. missed their opportunity to stop this boy but I'm not mad.

 

[mdram]

I don't think sifting through all of the warnings they get about dangerous people is an easy task. I'm sad the F.B.I. missed their opportunity to stop this boy but I'm not mad.

they also missed that church shooter a year or so ago

 

[HomerJS]

that can be done with a restraining order
if the school would have taken on out last year due to the issues they said they had, well he wouldnt have been able to buy the firearm

Florida doesn't have one of those "reg flag laws" that could have stopped gun purchase with restraining order. Some states have these and the NRA always objects.

Again Gov Scott does everything he can to remove all gun restrictions

 

[Younigue]

Hmmm I don't see it as him making himself the victim. He seems to be saying that because they are wasting time on looking into him (not a waste to me) they are not spending enough time on the other things they should be doing. For him to be a victim he would have to say something to the effect "look at how they hurt me". He has said things like that before, but in this one comment I do not see that. I just see him saying they are wasting their time on things that are not worth it.

Of course he thinks of himself as a victim. He whines about it all the time.

 

[soundforbjt]

Florida doesn't have one of those "reg flag laws" that could have stopped gun purchase with restraining order. Some states have these and the NRA always objects.

Again Gov Scott does everything he can to remove all gun restrictions

Florida...Come for the sun...Stay for the guns.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, none of the local officials are to blame? Not the crisis workers who interviewed him and did nothing, not the local police who were called to his house multiple times, just the FBI. Got it.

He probably didn't appear any more dangerous than thousands of other armed & dangerous nutbars that the authorities deal with constantly. I suspect it's acute in Florida.

 

[Thebobo]

Surprised no one has said they missed 9/11.

 

[Younigue]

they also missed that church shooter a year or so ago

Well then Fu*k 'em! Let's dismantle the whole organization so Trump can get away with being a treasonous danger to the country!

 

[Younigue]

Gun Nuts: We need guns to protect ourselves from government and we just have to accept the thousands that die because of it.

Anti-gun Nuts: We need a good culling of people who own guns and we just have to accept that we need to kill off millions.

#becomethemonsteryouhate

That's a stupid thing to say.

 

[Younigue]

so anti 2a's are now saying they want to kill people that own guns?

wow, just wow

Fu*king Idiot.

 

[Younigue]

I am pro 2a - but willing to accept peace on earth in exchange for my guns.

Perfect peace? Doesn't exist but it is the responsibility of the people to do its best to work toward it. Get rid of guns that can kill many people within minutes.

 

[justoh]

I could buy a gun quite easily, but they seem a bit dangerous. Who needs the hassle? Why do you guys need guns so badly? Is it because your government neglects your poor and the police can't adequately protect your property? Lots of desperate people to fend off? Speaking generally...

 

[mdram]

I could buy a gun quite easily, but they seem a bit dangerous. Who needs the hassle? Why do you guys need guns so badly? Is it because your government neglects your poor and the police can't adequately protect your property? Lots of desperate people to fend off? Speaking generally...

its a fun sport, range time is relaxing.

 

[zerocool84]

its a fun sport, range time is relaxing.

It is fun, I've had fun shooting at a gun range, but just because it's fun or just because someone thinks they need it for self defense, that doesn't mean that it should be easily accessible. We should make it difficult to get something that kills so easily. If a good law abiding citizen wants one then they should have no problem getting one.

 

[Younigue]

The problem with this is that nearly anyone could be reported for essentially any reason. The first job is separating the phony/disgruntled/revenge tips from the legit ones. Then you have to separate the real threats out of the pool of legit tips. An organization only has so many resources to devote to this kind of thing. And even if you follow up, many could probably slip through.

The point is that yeah, the FBI probably dropped the ball, so did the local authorities, but how can't they? It's a near-impossible task that follows terrorist math: "the murderers only need to be right once, the FBI needs to be right 100% of the time." Further, one wonders how many times they are successful in responding to these tips. There aren't any numbers on tragedies that never happened because of this system, and there never will be. But, obviously, the one crazy that gets through is never going to be tolerable for anyone.

Behind all of this, really, is the uncomfortbale acceptance that "better mental health" is a nonsense canard. It is only ever going to be discussed in hindsight, because none of this gets fixed until society as a whole puts on its big boy pants and starts making some hard decisions about changing this culture. That means actual sacrificies from people, for the common good: something we used to be pretty damn good at. Large sections of our population have lost their way, however. It's now all about "Me and muh Freedumb!"

LOVE THIS!

 

[Younigue]

its a fun sport, range time is relaxing.

Then let the range provide the guns dumbass. There's no good reason for you to own them.

 

[realibrad]

Locals already had his history and nothing was done.

And yes the FBI failed to do their part as well

You are missing the point that when you make new threats that you want to harm others, in the CONTEXT of the previous history, it enables further action. The history was not enough to do something, but the new threat along with the history would allow them to take some action.

 

[mdram]

Then let the range provide the guns dumbass. There's no good reason for you to own them.

i beg to differ.

 

[realibrad]

So, none of the local officials are to blame? Not the crisis workers who interviewed him and did nothing, not the local police who were called to his house multiple times, just the FBI. Got it.

Yes, and its strange that you think otherwise. The past incidents may not have qualified for action. The tip given to the FBI was different and in the context should have triggered the FBI to notify the local officials. Had the local officials then done nothing it would be their fault, but they were never notified if the new information and thus would not be at fault. That seems obvious.