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Florida High School Shooting

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imported_tajmahal said:
Nope, it's a serious point. Is one dead child the same as another dead child when talking a political issue? Some won't even admit that aborted fetuses are people even though their DNA shows they are.
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Ok. DNA is all you need to qualify for human rights. Got it. That makes sense

Jaskalas said:
When facing off against the Constitution, yes, we find that a challenge.
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There is no constitutional issue when it comes to gun control. That is a fallacy perpetuated by the NRA and gun nutters.
 
Puffnstuff said:
You really need to go to school.
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Have been. Please explain why the right to keep and bear arms should not be repealed in another amendment, please.

I don't need the legal issues, I want to know why philosophically you think gun possession is a protected right that should never be reconsidered.

As it stands, your references to the other rules just imply a FYGM attitude wrt to guns.
 
esquared said:
I don't know comrade. You tell me.
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The fuck you don't know. There's nine smiling people in that picture but the only one you called a moron was the President. You and the rest of the snowflakes around here are so ate up with TDS you can barely keep yourselves breathing.
 
jackstar7 said:
Have been. Please explain why the right to keep and bear arms should not be repealed in another amendment, please.

I don't need the legal issues, I want to know why philosophically you think gun possession is a protected right that should never be reconsidered.

As it stands, your references to the other rules just imply a FYGM attitude wrt to guns.
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Problem is many on your side don't want to bother trying to pass an Amendment to repeal the 2A. At least the temperance movement had the decency to seek and get passed the ill-advised and stupid 18th Amendment before they imposed prohibition laws.
 
IJTSSG said:
The fuck you don't know. There's nine smiling people in that picture but the only one you called a moron was the President. You and the rest of the snowflakes around here are so ate up with TDS you can barely keep yourselves breathing.
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Good one comrade.
 
IJTSSG said:
The fuck you don't know. There's nine smiling people in that picture but the only one you called a moron was the President. You and the rest of the snowflakes around here are so ate up with TDS you can barely keep yourselves breathing.
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oooh we got a badass up in here.
 
Puffnstuff said:
Gun control is meaningless as long as people intent on using them to do harm can obtain them without a background check.
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And yet, fewer available guns would mean fewer available guns.

If people intent on using them cannot get them without wildly increased costs (money, effort, etc), then those inhibitors would reduce the number of incidents.
 
Also, Chapter 44 there doesn't explain your position. And calling me akin to Taj just belies your own unwillingness to answer a question I have posited several times.

Make your argument, or don't, I suppose. But stop pointing to something that doesn't explain your position. It's tedious.
 
jackstar7 said:
Have been. Please explain why the right to keep and bear arms should not be repealed in another amendment, please.

I don't need the legal issues, I want to know why philosophically you think gun possession is a protected right that should never be reconsidered.

As it stands, your references to the other rules just imply a FYGM attitude wrt to guns.
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Good luck on getting it repealed. There's a few other Amendments that the odds would be much better on getting repealed or changed though. Let's try those first.
 
Infringing on a person's right to purchase a gun is illegal. It just makes it hard for honest people to buy a gun. Besides that there are a lot of false flags thrown up when they run the background check. It stops more honest people from making a purchase than it stops criminals.
 
In my state of Illinois a gun consumer must submit their finger prints for an FBI background check just to get a gun license and then they may be able to purchase a gun. Illinois is a police state.
 
piasabird said:
Infringing on a person's right to purchase a gun is illegal. It just makes it hard for honest people to buy a gun. Besides that there are a lot of false flags thrown up when they run the background check. It stops more honest people from making a purchase than it stops criminals.
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Why does an honest person need a gun in 2018?
 
Sheik Yerbouti said:
shhhhh!!! quiet, they think their fooling people.
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It's almost comical watching this shit show going on here! One guy, so many socks... Hard to keep track of IP'ssssss..... DERP

The best yet was watching a 4 year old zero post account IJTSSG start liking all of the Slow accounts posts for a few weeks before finally tagging in and throwing his first tantrum!
 
Sunburn74 said:
There is no constitutional issue when it comes to gun control. That is a fallacy perpetuated by the NRA and gun nutters.
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There are constitutional issues in light of Heller, but they aren’t insurmountable.

One thing I see a shortage of in this thread are practical solutions. There are what, 400 million guns in the USA now?

I would propose that instead of background checks for every purchase, move to a more in depth system of vetting and licensing each buyer. Once the buyer is vetted and licensed he can buy what he wants.

Then, give medical institutions the ability to submit a report to the licensing system and have the issuance reassessed. Same with any arrests, that should trigger a reassessment. I’m sure you can add on some more systems that could trigger reassessments. Private sales would be legal, to licensed owners.

I don’t recommend a mass registry, we tried it in Canada and two billion dollars later we scrapped it as totally ineffective.

I disagree with making AR15’s the bad guy... there are 30 other rifles with similar feature sets. And as the graphic showed, it isn’t rifles/assault rifles involved in very many murders anyways.

More to come later.
 
rommelrommel said:
There are constitutional issues in light of Heller, but they aren’t insurmountable.

One thing I see a shortage of in this thread are practical solutions. There are what, 400 million guns in the USA now?

I would propose that instead of background checks for every purchase, move to a more in depth system of vetting and licensing each buyer. Once the buyer is vetted and licensed he can buy what he wants.

Then, give medical institutions the ability to submit a report to the licensing system and have the issuance reassessed. Same with any arrests, that should trigger a reassessment. I’m sure you can add on some more systems that could trigger reassessments. Private sales would be legal, to licensed owners.

I don’t recommend a mass registry, we tried it in Canada and two billion dollars later we scrapped it as totally ineffective.

I disagree with making AR15’s the bad guy... there are 30 other rifles with similar feature sets. And as the graphic showed, it isn’t rifles/assault rifles involved in very many murders anyways.

More to come later.
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Meh. Why is there a need for a civilian, in America or any other developed country, need ARs of any make, model? It doesn't make sense aside from maybe some extreme exceptions. Problem is, they're a "right" currently soany concession is seen as a loss by the NRA and their stooges.
 
soundforbjt said:
I’d hate to be a realtor in Parkland, or a seller.
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Meh, you deal with it. If concerned about safety you meet up with new people in the office first. You’ll know within moments if it’s a legit client or not.
Selling that’s the interesting question. Most markets are so hot right now it may not be an obstacle
The tricky question is when the property he (the shooter) grew up in wants to sell what should be disclosed, what happens when someone googles the address?
 
jackstar7 said:
Also, Chapter 44 there doesn't explain your position. And calling me akin to Taj just belies your own unwillingness to answer a question I have posited several times.

Make your argument, or don't, I suppose. But stop pointing to something that doesn't explain your position. It's tedious.
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You want 2a repealed and I do not and I've already explained that to you which is why I showed you chapter 44 where comprehensive laws are for guns exist that restrict your right to ownership. This is the proper venue for inserting laws concerning mental illness and I cannot help if you lack the intellect to understand this.
 
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