Florida High School Shooting

[Sheik Yerbouti]

When you want to discuss sensible options, I'm all for it. When you want to push do-nothing feel good measures that harm all of our rights, you will continue to get ignored by us pro-Bill of Rights, pro-Constitution types and have Sunday morning triggerings.

ok, well in addition to what others have mentioned here, I believe ammunition should be dispensed like they dispense any drug with pseudoephedrine.

 

[SlowSpyder]

ok, well in addition to what others have mentioned here, I believe ammunition should be dispensed like they dispense any drug with pseudoephedrine.

I wouldn't be for that. Typically handgun ammo comes in boxes of 50. You really don't have to buy many boxes to have enough ammo to be well under radar, still be within the norm of an average target shooter / plinker / hobbyist shooter and be armed to the teeth relatively speaking. If I bought 250 rounds, that's well with in the norm of how much one may shoot at the range in an afternoon, and also is plenty to produce a LOT of carnage in an event like that of this thread. I don't think what you suggested will help in any way, to be honest.

 

[Jaskalas]

There is no constitutional issue when it comes to gun control. That is a fallacy perpetuated by the NRA and gun nutters.

Well of course not, the Constitution only exists insofar as we allow it. But that's my point, the 2A does makes this difficult. You simply delved a little deeper into why, but it is an issue unique to the USA because of how it is written. It made perfect sense for the Revolutionary war and world that it was written in. Today's world is a wee bit different than colonial life and the wild frontier.

What makes "gun nutters" potent is that, logically, they are afraid of guns. But they only know of one solution, more guns.

 

[glenn1]

yea, this kind of shit is why you really, really deserve to suffer. You think you're being clever, you think you're being sincere, but you're insulting the victims, family and friends of this mass shooting. Holy fuck, you are just a total shitstain of a human

You’re starting to sound like exactly the kind of hyper extremist person who would shoot up a school.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You’re starting to sound like exactly the kind of hyper extremist person who would shoot up a school.

And you sound like someone who has no issue with children being gunned down because of your gun fetish

 

[brycejones]

You’re starting to sound like exactly the kind of hyper extremist person who would shoot up a school.

Nope he sounds like someone who is sick and tired of gun fetishists enabling people to shoot up schools, concerts, workplaces, etc, etc, etc.

We've tried the more guns schtick for a couple of decades now. How has that worked out as far as reducing these kinds of events?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Nope he sounds like someone who is sick and tired of gun fetishists enabling people to shoot up schools, concerts, workplaces, etc, etc, etc.

We've tried the more guns schtick for a couple of decades now. How has that worked out as far as reducing these kinds of events?

"These kinds of events" is cherry picking. Violent gun crime, gun deaths are trending down and have been for decades despite the assault weapons ban expiring during that time. As awful as events like these are, statistically they are extremely rare, even with mass shootings knives still kill many times over more than AR15s and all other rifles combined. Yet the anti-2A'ers will move heaven and earth to change gun laws and further restrict my rights while having zero fucks to give about knives or other things that kill us in far greater numbers.

 

[Jaskalas]

And you sound like someone who has no issue with children being gunned down because of your gun fetish

Underneath the "gun fetish" mask is a normal human, and non-evil reason to support the 2A. They are afraid of guns. And they cannot comprehend the possibility that they could be safe without them. Because if you were in a theater or other room like Aurora, CO, you'd sure as hell like to be capable of survival. What could have saved those people, if not for being armed themselves?

You attribute evil to a people most vulnerable, desperate, and afraid.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

"These kinds of events" is cherry picking. Violent gun crime, gun deaths are trending down and have been for decades despite the assault weapons ban expiring during that time. As awful as events like these are, statistically they are extremely rare, even with mass shootings knives still kill many times over more than AR15s and all other rifles combined. Yet the anti-2A'ers will move heaven and earth to change gun laws and further restrict my rights while having zero fucks to give about knives or other things that kill us in far greater numbers.

what, no mention of cigarettes or cars?
poor persecuted gun-fucker.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Underneath the "gun fetish" mask is a normal human, and non-evil reason to support the 2A. They are afraid of guns. And they cannot comprehend the possibility that they could be safe without them. Because if you were in a theater or other room like Aurora, CO, you'd sure as hell like to be capable of survival. What could have saved those people, if not for being armed themselves?

You attribute evil to a people most vulnerable, desperate, and afraid.

and I am totally comfortable with that

 

[SlowSpyder]

what, no mention of cigarettes or cars?
poor persecuted gun-fucker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I84S9cR2TE

This was produced by Frank Zappa.

 

[Jaskalas]

You attribute evil to a people most vulnerable, desperate, and afraid.

and I am totally comfortable with that

You might recall, in the Middle East women who are rape victims are deemed guilty of a crime. They are hated, scorned, and attacked further. You'd find that you have much in common with the Mullahs and their capacity for dealing with those most vulnerable, desperate, and afraid. They lost their capacity for human compassion and empathy. So they view a piece of meat that has been spoiled.

But if you view gun nutters as your enemy, how do you ever intend to find non-violent solutions? Ah, but that's the trick isn't it. You lost faith in humanity a long time ago. You stopped searching for non-violence and embraced the madness. Tell me I'm wrong.

 

[fskimospy]

Yea, I'm not used to this new gui, I haven't posted in a long time.

Anyway, I used the phrase blow it up, not the literal sense. Though I don't really envision the NRA going away without violence ensuing, do you?

You’re talking to a guy who once advocated dropping grenades down tunnels beneath a hypothetical border wall who is now pretending to be aghast by the thought of violence.

He’s a liar and a hypocrite.

 

[brycejones]

You’re talking to a guy who once advocated dropping grenades down tunnels beneath a hypothetical border wall who is now pretending to be aghast by the thought of violence.

He’s a liar and a hypocrite.

Tajbot has never disowned throwing hand grenades blindly down tunnels.

 

[snoopy7548]

Has anyone seen this yet? Pretty powerful speech. These kids will eventually vote this scum out of office. Hopefully this time people have had enough of America's idiotic gun culture and a change begins.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/...zalez-anti-gun-rally-fort-lauderdale-full.cnn

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Has anyone seen this yet? Pretty powerful speech. These kids will eventually vote this scum out of office. Hopefully this time people have had enough of America's idiotic gun culture and a change begins.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/...zalez-anti-gun-rally-fort-lauderdale-full.cnn

Off topic pet peeve I have so please excuse my indulgence.
These are High Schoolers, they are young adults. I constantly hear them called kids.

 

[snoopy7548]

Off topic pet peeve I have so please excuse my indulgence.
These are High Schoolers, they are young adults. I constantly hear them called kids.

True, but anyone younger than me I tend to call kids. It's a bad habit, I guess.

 

[IJTSSG]

It's almost comical watching this shit show going on here! One guy, so many socks... Hard to keep track of IP'ssssss..... DERP

The best yet was watching a 4 year old zero post account IJTSSG start liking all of the Slow accounts posts for a few weeks before finally tagging in and throwing his first tantrum!

and yet, through all of that, you're still a worthless c0cksucker.

 

[pmv]

"These kinds of events" is cherry picking. Violent gun crime, gun deaths are trending down and have been for decades despite the assault weapons ban expiring during that time. As awful as events like these are, statistically they are extremely rare, even with mass shootings knives still kill many times over more than AR15s and all other rifles combined. Yet the anti-2A'ers will move heaven and earth to change gun laws and further restrict my rights while having zero fucks to give about knives or other things that kill us in far greater numbers.

I don't think it's really true that those things are 'trending down and have been for decades'. They shot up dramatically during the 60s, stayed high during the 70s and 80s, came down equally rapidly in the 90s, and have since more-or-less flatlined at much the same level as before the '70s rise (having gone down a bit then recently started going up a bit).

It seems a hell of a puzzle why murder and violent crime in general was so high for the period '65 to '95 though. And not just for the US, to greater-or-lesser degrees, the same pattern occurred in all developed countries.

(I'm inclined to blame lead in petrol, myself, but maybe it's some deep sociological thing to do with non-linear responses to increases and decreases in wealth or social and physical mobility?).

Clearly it's true that there are many other factors in violence and murder than availability of guns. But that's not much consolation for those mourning their children. A preventable death is still worth preventing.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

True, but anyone younger than me I tend to call kids. It's a bad habit, I guess.

No problems with you, it’s more about the news. Don’t belittle the students, they are young adults not infants

 

[GagHalfrunt]

ok, well in addition to what others have mentioned here, I believe ammunition should be dispensed like they dispense any drug with pseudoephedrine.

That's been 100% ineffective in controlling meth. Why would it be any different for controlling ammunition?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I84S9cR2TE

This was produced by Frank Zappa.

ok, well Frank also wrote Bobby Brown Goes Down, the Illinois Enema Bandit, Catholic School Girls, Crew Slut, Nanook Rubs It, Peaches En Regalia, I'm the Slime, and Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk. What's your point, shitstain?

 

[brycejones]

and yet, through all of that, you're still a worthless c0cksucker.

whatever bot boy

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's been 100% ineffective in controlling meth. Why would it be any different for controlling ammunition?

well I thought it had at least a negligible affect. And again, I'm just throwing things out there, if history has deemed them to be an ineffectual method, strike it, and move to the next idea.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You might recall, in the Middle East women who are rape victims are deemed guilty of a crime. They are hated, scorned, and attacked further. You'd find that you have much in common with the Mullahs and their capacity for dealing with those most vulnerable, desperate, and afraid. They lost their capacity for human compassion and empathy. So they view a piece of meat that has been spoiled.

But if you view gun nutters as your enemy, how do you ever intend to find non-violent solutions? Ah, but that's the trick isn't it. You lost faith in humanity a long time ago. You stopped searching for non-violence and embraced the madness. Tell me I'm wrong.

so I just have to say 'pretty please'?
And your view on the gun nutters does not make it a valid idea. Sorry, but gun nutters are responsible for the current situation with reasonable gun control, your analogy fails. A victim of a crime is a victim of a crime and should not be treated poorly for having such an experience.
people who are desperately clinging to guns are not victims, they are rightfully being called out and in no way are they being treated like a rape victim in the Middle East. Yea, sorry man, that analogy is so far wrong it's laughable.