Florida High School Shooting

[soundforbjt]

yet that is the only target for many people

Well without a gun, would he have been as successful?

 

[fskimospy]

yet that is the only target for many people

I don’t know a single person on earth that is the only target for.

 

[momeNt]

Well without a gun, would he have been as successful?

The highest casualty counts in a school is from a bombing (Bath School 1927), the highest casualty counts in a lone wolf attack is also from a bombing (OKC 1995), the highest casualty count in a single event in the last 10 years is from a truck (Nice, France, 2016).

School shooters are not impulse actors, many of them take a considerable time in planning, hence the timeline of the warnings about Cruz, if not a gun they will resort to learning to manufacture and place bombs in areas with a lot of people. The Everett "shooter" turned in by his grandmother had planned to plant bombs under the bleachers.

If we really get down to the bottom of it, we are seriously at the mercy of eachother in this world. So we need to convince people to stop hating eachother.

 

[mdram]

didnt the japan knife attacker kill 19 or 20?

 

[Jaskalas]

Sweden, Norway, Germany.

What about those. How many outliers until they are not outliers? The point is, that if it were truly about guns, then those should not exist. Guns make it easier, but guns themselves do not cause violence.

If we want to save lives, and America is the outlier with a bunch of psychopaths hoarding guns, then the answer is to probably remove guns rather than to wish away the sick depravity of many individuals. I mean, what's a greater loss of freedom, restriction on personal property, or forcible reeducation?

I'm not sure how anyone imagines that we'd "fix" these people's minds. Especially not with the bill of rights.
Seems to me, gun control is a lesser sacrifice.

 

[momeNt]

didnt the japan knife attacker kill 19 or 20?

I believe he was killing disabled people. I'm not really sure that counts (from a violence perspective). But like I said, we are really at the mercy of eachother in this world. A overnight nurse could likely kill every patient on the floor if they were so inclined. We just hope that they are decent enough not to.

 

[soundforbjt]

didnt the japan knife attacker kill 19 or 20?

At a center for disabled people.

 

[justoh]

The christian taboo morality and its childish conceptions of "good" and "evil" must be partly to blame. American children more than any other civilized nation are taught to feel shame most of the time about most everything. I'm probably just making this up, but his adoptive mother did denounce him as "evil." It's that kind of mentality... cmon gais. cut it out. Enough with the christianity.

 

[Jaskalas]

The christian taboo morality and its childish conceptions of "good" and "evil" must be partly to blame. American children more than any other civilized nation are taught to feel shame most of the time about most everything. I'm probably just making this up, but his adoptive mother did denounce him as "evil." It's that kind of mentality... cmon gais. cut it out. Enough with the christianity.

You mean the family he was living with recently, after his adoptive mother died in November?
Or was she actually on record using those words?

 

[Sunburn74]

This is strange. Guns don't cause mental illness, but it can drive someone to want to commit acts of violence and guns become a tool to accomplish that. Smoking does not cause Schizophrenia, but Schizophrenia can drive people to smoke because of what smoking does.

Weird post.

Mental illness in my opinion doesn't cause mass shootings. At the very least its not clear at all if a causal relationship exists between the two. I think its more likely that mental illness is associated with mass shootings like smoking is associated with schizophrenia. I find it hard to see reason in basing a policy to address gun shootings on a premise that is essentially unprovable (the premise being all shooters are mentally ill).

 

[Jaskalas]

Mental illness in my opinion doesn't cause shootings or at least its not clear at all if a causal relationship exists between the two.

Perhaps you're caught up on a clinical definition, whereas we think anyone sick enough to commit these acts is mentally ill. Granted, most shootings are handguns and not mass casualties so it'd be unfair to use shooters like this as a prime example of our problem with gun violence. You have a valid point.

 

[Younigue]

Embedded the video.

Thank you for posting this! I think I fell in love with this man a little bit.

 

[mdram]

Thank you for posting this! I think I fell in love with this man a little bit.

why? he didnt really destroy the rifle

 

[justoh]

Mental illness in my opinion doesn't cause mass shootings. At the very least its not clear at all if a causal relationship exists between the two. I think its more likely that mental illness is associated with mass shootings like smoking is associated with schizophrenia. I find it hard to see reason in basing a policy to address gun shootings on a premise that is essentially unprovable (the premise being all shooters are mentally ill).

Plenty of cases of mass shootings being at least named as a principle catalyst or cause of a so-called "mental illness." Right now those families are probably filing insurance claims.

 

[realibrad]

Where are you getting your figures?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Your figures do not count anything other than private. There are lots of military guns that people have but are not private.

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/S-Trade-Update/SAS-Trade-Update-2017.pdf

 

[Younigue]

why? he didnt really destroy the rifle

Well, I disagree. You'd be a fool to try and shoot it. Also I think his message is a good one. Did you listen to his words or feel his words or was your main goal in watching the video to just be a prick? Pretty loud voice in your head is it? If you let your inner asshole be your outer voice it'll always win. Feeling proud of yourself?

 

[realibrad]

If we want to save lives, and America is the outlier with a bunch of psychopaths hoarding guns, then the answer is to probably remove guns rather than to wish away the sick depravity of many individuals. I mean, what's a greater loss of freedom, restriction on personal property, or forcible reeducation?

I'm not sure how anyone imagines that we'd "fix" these people's minds. Especially not with the bill of rights.
Seems to me, gun control is a lesser sacrifice.

Why are the only options guns removal or wishing? Why can we restrict guns and deal with the fact that the US has a society problem?

 

[Bird222]

We can do some things that may help a little but people need to be honest and just say they want the 2A abolished so they can get busy making the real changes they want.

 

[realibrad]

Mental illness in my opinion doesn't cause mass shootings. At the very least its not clear at all if a causal relationship exists between the two. I think its more likely that mental illness is associated with mass shootings like smoking is associated with schizophrenia. I find it hard to see reason in basing a policy to address gun shootings on a premise that is essentially unprovable (the premise being all shooters are mentally ill).

Being mentally ill can lead to violence. If you then enable that violence with guns, you get more dead. Guns are a force multiplier but if you don't have the desire to use force, guns are harmless.

So, what in your opinion causes people to want to kill people on a mass scale? Do you think its guns that drive people, or do you think its something else and guns just become the tool?

 

[mdram]

Well, I disagree. You'd be a fool to try and shoot it. Also I think his message is a good one. Did you listen to his words or feel his words or was your main goal in watching the video to just be a prick? Pretty loud voice in your head is it? If you let your inner asshole be your outer voice it'll always win. Feeling proud of yourself?

new barrel and gas tube
10-15 minutes, and its good to go

or new upper, shipped right to your home, 30 seconds to attach

if you want to destroy the rifle, you need to destroy the receiver

it would actually shoot fine as it, it wouldnt cycle and would be a single shot

 

[FIVR]

We can do some things that may help a little but people need to be honest and just say they want the 2A abolished so they can get busy making the real changes they want.

Lol what kind of drugs do you have to do for that retarded meme to make sense?

It's sort of disturbing to see how insane gun nutters are but you get a glimpse of it when they post quotes like the one above which they deem "brilliant" . I blame leaded gasoline in the 70s

 

[woolfe9998]

Sweden, Norway, Germany.

What about those. How many outliers until they are not outliers? The point is, that if it were truly about guns, then those should not exist. Guns make it easier, but guns themselves do not cause violence.

None of those countries has even close to the per capita gun ownership of the US. The highest, Norway, has fewer than one-third.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

 

[Jhhnn]

How are you going to ban a high capacity handgun? Make them only revolvers? Because any magazine fed semi-auto can be extended to high capacity.

Deliberately obtuse often? We can ban the importation, manufacture & retail sale of such magazines.

 

[woolfe9998]

Why are the only options guns removal or wishing? Why can we restrict guns and deal with the fact that the US has a society problem?

What "society problem" are you referring to and how to we "deal" with it?

 

[fskimospy]

We can do some things that may help a little but people need to be honest and just say they want the 2A abolished so they can get busy making the real changes they want.

Lol Stefan Molyneux. He is truly the definition of what a stupid person thinks a smart person sounds like. One of the dumbest people on the Internet, and that’s saying a lot.