Florida High School Shooting

[imported_tajmahal]

What did you want the FBI to do? He hadn't committed any crimes at that point.

However there was enough info that his name should have made it to a national database preventing him from purchasing any gun.

Yes he had, when he bought his firearms he lied on the forms. Easily proven and easily remedied.

*EDIT*
May be wrong, i had thought he'd been sent to a mental health facility. Was he?

 

[boomerang]

You cannot blame it all on mental illness. Easy access to guns allows people, mentally ill or not, to quickly cause large amounts of carnage.

So, would consider some people that cause large amounts of carnage to be of sound mind?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You sound like you're a step away from being a shooter yourself. I'm sorry we share different opinions, actually no I'm not. But, I wish you well at any rate.

not even close, shitstain. I abhor guns, last fight I was in was nearly 40 years ago, I just know shitstains like you deserve to reap a world of misery on themselves. And I hope it's painful, in every conceivable way. I do not wish you well, I do not wish you anything but misery and suffering.

 

[boomerang]

Conservatives are funny, you keep saying it was mental illness that caused him to do this not the guns, so we need to identify people with mental illness before these kinds of problems thongs happen.

You want everyone to have easy access to things that are made for killing but not Healthcare for everyone that saves lives, mental health is Healthcare. So then you have no solution then, you just want this cycle to keep repeating.

You're thinking of this in too simplistic a manner.

Would you have been OK with the police arresting this shooter prior based on his history and social media posts? Arresting him and running him through the system where he hopefully would have received treatment that potentially necessitated him being removed from society until his natural death?

If the answer is yes, is your answer based in the knowledge of the deeds he committed? Would you be OK with the police taking the same course of action on other individuals that by their actions appeared to be a threat of the same proportions? This could potentially be a lot of people so keep that in mind. Also keep in mind that not all these people will be deemed to be a threat to others and will be released. Are you OK with that?

Now maybe you are. But I can guarantee you that there will be many that aren't. There will be organizations that aren't. There will be lawyers champing at the bit to sue the city, county, state, the feds, whomever they can name and they will. Why do I know this? Because it all occurred in the last century. Removing people deemed a danger to society was the norm until certain factions in the nation turned it into such a hot button issue that a former president relented and released these people back into society. Now, you might blame that president and I might blame those factions but it boils down to the fact that it happened and that it will happen again.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

not even close, shitstain. I abhor guns, last fight I was in was nearly 40 years ago, I just know shitstains like you deserve to reap a world of misery on themselves. And I hope it's painful, in every conceivable way. I do not wish you well, I do not wish you anything but misery and suffering.

You present yourself as a vindictive, angry, emotionally-driven spiteful little man. I'd personally rather hope he could change and become a better person.

 

[Darwin333]

You're thinking of this in too simplistic a manner.

Would you have been OK with the police arresting this shooter prior based on his history and social media posts? Arresting him and running him through the system where he hopefully would have received treatment that potentially necessitated him being removed from society until his natural death?

If the answer is yes, is your answer based in the knowledge of the deeds he committed? Would you be OK with the police taking the same course of action on other individuals that by their actions appeared to be a threat of the same proportions? This could potentially be a lot of people so keep that in mind. Also keep in mind that not all these people will be deemed to be a threat to others and will be released. Are you OK with that?

Now maybe you are. But I can guarantee you that there will be many that aren't. There will be organizations that aren't. There will be lawyers champing at the bit to sue the city, county, state, the feds, whomever they can name and they will. Why do I know this? Because it all occurred in the last century. Removing people deemed a danger to society was the norm until certain factions in the nation turned it into such a hot button issue that a former president relented and released these people back into society. Now, you might blame that president and I might blame those factions but it boils down to the fact that it happened and that it will happen again.

Weren't those people held in deplorable conditions, given extremely questionable/scientifically unfounded and sometimes downright cruel "medical" treatments, and had basically zero way of even contacting a lawyer to help them if they felt they were being wronged? IIRC it was basically the dark ages of mental health care for people who were institutionalized.

Mental health, including forced hospitalization, has changed quite drastically since those days and our ability/knowledge of treating them has drastically improved. In my state they can hold you for a day or two and then they need a .gov official, the coroner, to approve a 7 day hold. Anything beyond 7 days requires an actual judge and at any time during your stay they are legally required to let you contact a lawyer, including a public defender if you qualify, if you so desire.

 

[jackstar7]

So, would consider some people that cause large amounts of carnage to be of sound mind?

Is a soldier?

 

[jackstar7]

You present yourself as a vindictive, angry, emotionally-driven spiteful little man. I'd personally rather hope he could change and become a better person.

Alternately, no one should waste their time on Spidey. He's a fucking toolbag.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You present yourself as a vindictive, angry, emotionally-driven spiteful little man. I'd personally rather hope he could change and become a better person.

and I care what you think because??
you're fucking right I am angry, if I met someone who wasn't angry about the gun violence in our country and the neutered politicians who only offer words instead of actions, I'd be more concerned about their mental state than mine.
Vindictive, possibly, sure. For shitstains like slow who intentionally donate to an organization who's sole purpose is to push guns and shelve any ideas about responsible gun restrictions, and knowingly flaunt that shit move in a thread about the murder of children, with the sole purpose to troll, I do wish him pain and misery, for many, many years.
Imagine you're a relative or a friend of someone who got gunned down in florida and you come across this thread and see the post discussing the shooting and some cvnt professes how this will negatively impact the precious nra and tried to donate to help them instead of helping the victims, how the fuck do you think they would feel?

Again, zero fucks given about who is not happy with what I am saying. Because that's the takeaway when 20 grade school children get gunned down or 17 high school kids get gunned down, I'm the issue. Right, gotcha, your priorities are fucking spot on.
And how in the fuck is anyone NOT emotional about this?

He, if he's not lying, which by all accounts could be the case, is over 60. How many people "see the light" or "see the error of their ways" at that point in life. Gonna guess that is a single digit percentage of the population. Fuck him.

 

[nOOky]

https://brenebrown.com/blog/2017/11...ullshit-practicing-civility-affecting-change/

 

[nOOky]

Sorry for the double post, lots of good points in there. The NRA has changed over the years, and it's got a lot of responsible gun owners having to answer for the irresponsible ones, and it's gotten many people on the other side hating those that simply have guns. I don't hate guns, I hate the horrible things people do with them, and how easy that guns make it for them.

 

[brandonbull]

Yes, I do believe those advocating for guns over dead kids are fucking nuts. The blood hasn't even coagulated, and the internet is full of whiners saying "don't take my guns!".

And we have the FBI saying "Oops, our bad.".

 

[soundforbjt]

Fox News wants Wray to resign because of this.

 

[glenn1]

and I care what you think because??
you're fucking right I am angry, if I met someone who wasn't angry about the gun violence in our country and the neutered politicians who only offer words instead of actions, I'd be more concerned about their mental state than mine.
Vindictive, possibly, sure. For shitstains like slow who intentionally donate to an organization who's sole purpose is to push guns and shelve any ideas about responsible gun restrictions, and knowingly flaunt that shit move in a thread about the murder of children, with the sole purpose to troll, I do wish him pain and misery, for many, many years.
Imagine you're a relative or a friend of someone who got gunned down in florida and you come across this thread and see the post discussing the shooting and some cvnt professes how this will negatively impact the precious nra and tried to donate to help them instead of helping the victims, how the fuck do you think they would feel?

Again, zero fucks given about who is not happy with what I am saying. Because that's the takeaway when 20 grade school children get gunned down or 17 high school kids get gunned down, I'm the issue. Right, gotcha, your priorities are fucking spot on.
And how in the fuck is anyone NOT emotional about this?

He, if he's not lying, which by all accounts could be the case, is over 60. How many people "see the light" or "see the error of their ways" at that point in life. Gonna guess that is a single digit percentage of the population. Fuck him.

If someone donating to a non-violent organization they believe in but you politically disagree with makes you this angry then you should rethink your life because you likely have more in common with the kid that perpetrated this massacre than you think.

 

[brandonbull]

and I care what you think because??
you're fucking right I am angry, if I met someone who wasn't angry about the gun violence in our country and the neutered politicians who only offer words instead of actions, I'd be more concerned about their mental state than mine.
Vindictive, possibly, sure. For shitstains like slow who intentionally donate to an organization who's sole purpose is to push guns and shelve any ideas about responsible gun restrictions, and knowingly flaunt that shit move in a thread about the murder of children, with the sole purpose to troll, I do wish him pain and misery, for many, many years.
Imagine you're a relative or a friend of someone who got gunned down in florida and you come across this thread and see the post discussing the shooting and some cvnt professes how this will negatively impact the precious nra and tried to donate to help them instead of helping the victims, how the fuck do you think they would feel?

Again, zero fucks given about who is not happy with what I am saying. Because that's the takeaway when 20 grade school children get gunned down or 17 high school kids get gunned down, I'm the issue. Right, gotcha, your priorities are fucking spot on.
And how in the fuck is anyone NOT emotional about this?

He, if he's not lying, which by all accounts could be the case, is over 60. How many people "see the light" or "see the error of their ways" at that point in life. Gonna guess that is a single digit percentage of the population. Fuck him.

Where is the outrage against the FBI where again they failed to act on several tips about a person or persons intent on causing mass damage? Since Trump seems to be at odds with the FBI and DOJ leadership, I guess you wouldn't dare be critical of them for a massive fail.

 

[brandonbull]

Fox News wants Wray to resign because of this.

Rick Scott was calling for Wray to resign.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Where is the outrage against the FBI where again they failed to act on several tips about a person or persons intent on causing mass damage? Since Trump seems to be at odds with the FBI and DOJ leadership, I guess you wouldn't dare be critical of them for a massive fail.

bravo, you almost have a new spin, congrats.
Thanks but go sell stupid somewhere else. If the fbi fucked up, let the trials begin, but this is about the easy access to guns and the epidemic of mass shootings. Feel free to peddle your shit somewhere else.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If someone donating to a non-violent organization they believe in but you politically disagree with makes you this angry then you should rethink your life because you likely have more in common with the kid that perpetrated this massacre than you think.

lol, non-violent and the klan is nothing more than a white linen appreciation society, right?

 

[glenn1]

lol, non-violent and the klan is nothing more than a white linen appreciation society, right?

Comparing the NRA to the Klan is a stretch even for you and is right up there with those saying Planned Parenthood is committing genocide against blacks. Honestly you should go volunteer somewhere and gain some perspective that you've either lost or never had.

 

[brandonbull]

bravo, you almost have a new spin, congrats.
Thanks but go sell stupid somewhere else. If the fbi fucked up, let the trials begin, but this is about the easy access to guns and the epidemic of mass shootings. Feel free to peddle your shit somewhere else.

It's amazing how facts are a "new spin" in your world. Must be pure bliss where facts are optional and stupidity is mandatory. The Director of the FBI said that they did not follow protocol or did you miss that bit of fake news?

 

[brandonbull]

Comparing the NRA to the Klan is a stretch even for you and is right up there with those saying Planned Parenthood is committing genocide against blacks. Honestly you should go volunteer somewhere and gain some perspective that you've either lost or never had.

Shrek is just another in a long line of unoriginal P&N trollers. Him and a few others on here must be competing in the P&N's biggest idiot championship.

 

[yllus]

Comparing the NRA to the Klan is a stretch even for you and is right up there with those saying Planned Parenthood is committing genocide against blacks. Honestly you should go volunteer somewhere and gain some perspective that you've either lost or never had.

I don't know. They've gotten pretty extreme in their messaging. It's not the Klan but today's NRA is an incredibly irresponsibly-led organization that's doing serious harm to the American republic. As a person who likes shooting targets at a range I wish there was an alternative org for actually responsible gun owners to flock to.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Comparing the NRA to the Klan is a stretch even for you and is right up there with those saying Planned Parenthood is committing genocide against blacks. Honestly you should go volunteer somewhere and gain some perspective that you've either lost or never had.

I did not compare them I posed equally incorrect views on 2 organizations, you inferred anything beyond that.

 

[Victorian Gray]

bravo, you almost have a new spin, congrats.
Thanks but go sell stupid somewhere else. If the fbi fucked up, let the trials begin, but this is about the easy access to guns and the epidemic of mass shootings. Feel free to peddle your shit somewhere else.

This talking point isn't about guns. This talking point is a continuation of the 'let's gut the FBI and DOJ because we're fucking fascists' game that they've been playing for a while now.

 

[Sunburn74]

I don't know. They've gotten pretty extreme in their messaging. It's not the Klan but today's NRA is an incredibly irresponsibly-led organization that's doing serious harm to the American republic. As a person who likes shooting targets at a range I wish there was an alternative org for actually responsible gun owners to flock to.

NRA is completely irresponsible. Basically a handful of people holding the entire country hostage politically.