Florida governor orders random drug testing of state employees and welfare recipients

[matt0611]

Privacy.

Uhhh, no.

You fail at understanding our constitution.

 

[xj0hnx]

Why?

Because drug habits aren't cheap, and if they can afford to do drugs than they can stop doing them and get their lives together and pay their own way. There's no reason taxpayers should pay their rent, or food bill because they would rather be irresponsible drug users.

 

[matt0611]

Of course you support it, because it makes no sense. Save Money? No, it Costs money.

How do you know it won't save money?

And since when do you care about saving money?
You don't want it because its a barrier to giving away other peoples money.

Anything that stops the give away other peoples hard earned money I know you would be against, its no surprise.

 

[xj0hnx]

Uhhh, no.

You fail at understanding our constitution.

He fails at a LOT of things.

 

[PeshakJang]

Why?

You're right. The public should have no say in how public money is spent.

Which is exactly why I know you support taxpayer bailouts to corporations being used to fund Republican campaigns.

 

[matt0611]

Because drug habits aren't cheap, and if they can afford to do drugs than they can stop doing them and get their lives together and pay their own way. There's no reason taxpayers should pay their rent, or food bill because they would rather be irresponsible drug users.

This.

Food stamps shouldn't let you buy alcohol or cigarettes, welfare shouldn't let you buy illegal drugs etc.

Theres no "privacy" violation at all. You wanna live off society? Theres some strings attached, sorry. Don't like it? Get a fuckin job.

 

[wuliheron]

During the cocaine wars Miami lost so many cops they began hiring just about anyone. A few years later they discovered 1/3 of their force had felony convictions and many were working both sides of the cocaine business.

It's not the 1.7% of people getting 50% or more of their income from welfare you need to worry about.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

That's what I thought.

Doubt it.

 

[xj0hnx]

During the cocaine wars Miami lost so many cops they began hiring just about anyone. A few years later they discovered 1/3 of their force had felony convictions and many were working both sides of the cocaine business.

It's not the 1.7% of people getting 50% or more of their income from welfare you need to worry about.

I don't think anyone is going to deny that there are many other problems that can be solved, that doesn't make this measure to save money any less valid.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Ah - get the government involved,... only when Republicans say so.

 

[matt0611]

Ah - get the government involved,... only when Republicans say so.

They already ARE involved.

You want the government out?
Fine, get rid of welfare entirely. Perfectly fine with me.

But if you want to keep it and if you want to take my money out of my pay check and give it to other people, I want strings attached.

 

[xj0hnx]

Ah - get the government involved,... only when Republicans say so.

Um ...it's the government that's giving out the money in the first place. As Faildorski would say ...FAIL.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Um ...it's the government that's giving out the money in the first place. As Faildorski would say ...FAIL.

We're giving away money that no one earned. Hell, these same people say that it's perfectly OK to take money from people who don't sign up for Obamacare.

Well screw that. If it's OK to take money for nothing then it's OK to make conditions on things where people are taking it who haven't contributed a thing.

In itself testing is pointless unless it has teeth. I'd say that once someone is found to have drugs in their system they are then subject to mandatory screening and if they fail that they can find their own check doing something else besides collecting welfare. I've seen the medicaid culture and it's rotten with abuse that many here insist continue. F'em.

 

[rudder]

How about not enabling a welfare based lifestyle? Then you would not have an issue with welfare lifers doing drugs and not getting jobs.

If welfare recipients actually had to do something to earn welfare they would not be at home bored all day needing drugs to cope.

 

[CitizenKain]

Would this apply to veterans and active duty military as well? That would save a ton of money on those worthless leeches.

 

[Matt1970]

If you have the disposable income for drugs, you don't need welfare. It figures the Liberals are advocating unchecked aid to anyone who asks for it.

 

[matt0611]

Would this apply to veterans and active duty military as well? That would save a ton of money on those worthless leeches.

They already do test military.

Veterans? No, they did their duty, they served their country, they earned the money, they can spend it how they wish.

 

[soundforbjt]

If you have the disposable income for drugs, you don't need welfare. It figures the Liberals are advocating unchecked aid to anyone who asks for it.

Fail. Liberals are asking to keep rights, I don't think people on welfare should be buying drugs anymore than you do, But I also believe they have the same rights as anyone else, including you.

I also find it odd that the Gov just happens to own drug testing facilities.

 

[xj0hnx]

Would this apply to veterans and active duty military as well? That would save a ton of money on those worthless leeches.

Dumbshit, active duty already gets drug tested, randomly, and vets that draw benefits probably do too, and as mentioned above they already earned their money.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Dumbshit, active duty already gets drug tested, randomly, and vets that draw benefits probably do too.

Nice guess, but completely wrong (color me shocked!). Military retirees are not subject to random drug testing unless they have current employment requiring it.


edit: You might reconsider calling someone else "dumbshit" in so poorly reasoned a post.

 

[xj0hnx]

Nice guess, but completely wrong (color me shocked!). Military retirees are not subject to random drug testing unless they have current employment requiring it.


edit: You might reconsider calling someone else "dumbshit" in so poorly reasoned a post.

I didn't say all military retirees, I said vets drawing benefits, and I meant to say some. And I really don't care if calling someone that refers to vets and our military as leeches a dumbshit offends you, or makes you opinion of what I said any lessened, I couldn't care less.

 

[Darwin333]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/os-rick-scott-drug-testing-state-work20110322,0,2150123.story

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ing-employees-040111-20110331,0,5433512.story

"The Legislature is already working on his campaign promise to require those who apply for welfare in Florida to undergo a drug screening before receiving benefits. "

how much will this cost the taxpayers? common sense not so common in Florida government it seems. remove all Republican'ts from office now!

So you disagree with drug laws and enforcement of those laws in general?

 

[Darwin333]

Fail. Liberals are asking to keep rights, I don't think people on welfare should be buying drugs anymore than you do, But I also believe they have the same rights as anyone else, including you.

I also find it odd that the Gov just happens to own drug testing facilities.

Of course they have the same rights as anyone but there is a ton of precedent allowing the .gov to dictate how you spend money they give you.

Personally, I say fuck em. I gotta pass drug tests to earn my money and I don't see any of yall liberals bitching about that.

 

[soundforbjt]

Of course they have the same rights as anyone but there is a ton of precedent allowing the .gov to dictate how you spend money they give you.

Personally, I say fuck em. I gotta pass drug tests to earn my money and I don't see any of yall liberals bitching about that.

I don't think you should have to take a drug test for most jobs either.

 

[Darwin333]

Privacy.

I voluntarily give up my privacy in order to earn money and that includes working for the .gov and sometimes mandated by the .gov, I don't see this as being any different. Just like everyone says about employer drug screens, no one is forcing you to work for that employer.

For the record I disagree with almost all drug laws and enforcement of them and don't think that employers should darn near be forced to give their employees drug screens but as I said before, if I gotta do it I see nothing wrong with them having to do it to get tax dollars that those of us forced to take drug tests pay.