"Flip-flopping" - The Difference Between Kerry and Bush

[Gaard]

Bush knows who he is and where he stands. Once he makes a decision he sticks by it.

That is the biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time. Boy, are you ever blinded.

 

[outriding]

It takes a bigger man to acknowledge his mistakes and try to fix them than to deny and or cover up his mistakes.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001279.php

needs to be in any flip flop thread

 

[Gaard]

This is for you shinerburke...

# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
# Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
# Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
# Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
# Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
# Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
# Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
# Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
# Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
# Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
# Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
# Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
# Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
# Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
# Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

(Hope you don't mind Monsta. I stole this from your old thread.)

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: rbloedow
So I'm wondering how this expl,anation fits in with his denial of owning an SUV?

I'd like to know how that translates into anything meaningful for a presidential election.

lying?
hypocracy?

pretty important to me

Unless it's lying about why we invaded Iraq. Or lying about the environment. Or lying about John McCain and John Kerry. Or lying about former insiders. Or lying about war costs and Medicare costs. Or lying about corporate cronies. Or lying about the thousand other lies out of the Bush-lite administration. Those are OK.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001279.php

needs to be in any flip flop thread

:beer:

 

[bossanov]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Basically it comes down to this. Bush knows who he is and where he stands. Once he makes a decision he sticks by it.

May I also add that even when Bush finds out he is wrong, he still sticks to his old decisions. Remember he told Tim Russert that although he now knows he went to war with Iraq based on "faulty intelligence", he would still go to war now, knowing what he knows now. This is what Mario Coumo called "insanity".

B.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: bossanov

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Basically it comes down to this. Bush knows who he is and where he stands. Once he makes a decision he sticks by it.

May I also add that even when Bush finds out he is wrong, he still sticks to his old decisions. Remember he told Tim Russert that although he now knows he went to war with Iraq based on "faulty intelligence", he would still go to war now, knowing what he knows now. This is what Mario Coumo called "insanity".

B.

I'd call it being a stubborn ass with more pride than smarts.

 

[hokiezilla]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice diversion by the Bush-God fanboys.

They can't admit that Carville is speaking the truth.

He isn't speaking the truth IMO. Just because YOU hold the opinion that Carville is speaking the truth doesn't mean it is true
Nice try though conjur.

CkG

Edit - well said shinerburke

They learned from the best. Their antecedents in the Clinton administration were masters of diversion, obfuscation, and attacking the messenger.

 

[TechJunkie95242]

I am all for Kerry..

But where is CkG calling all this bush bashing especially the known facts of his flip flops rhetoric and personal opinion?

Maybe he decided to hide from this one.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I am all for Kerry..

But where is CKG calling all this bush bashing especially the known facts of his flip flops rhetoric and personal opinion?

Maybe he decided to hide from this one.

When confronted with incontrovertible evidence that Bush was in the wrong or flip-flopped, CkG shuts up rather quickly.

 

[TechJunkie95242]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I am all for Kerry..

But where is CKG calling all this bush bashing especially the known facts of his flip flops rhetoric and personal opinion?

Maybe he decided to hide from this one.

When confronted with incontrovertible evidence that Bush was in the wrong or flip-flopped, CkG shuts up rather quickly.

We think alike conjur... :beer:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I am all for Kerry..

But where is CKG calling all this bush bashing especially the known facts of his flip flops rhetoric and personal opinion?

Maybe he decided to hide from this one.

When confronted with incontrovertible evidence that Bush was in the wrong or flip-flopped, CkG shuts up rather quickly.

We think alike conjur... :beer:

And you both are FOS. YOUR opinion or the opinion presented by a political adviser is not the necessarily the "truth" like I stated before. Ofcourse I expect nothing less from you two, so go ahead and call it "truth" because you agree with the opinion. Meh - bleat on

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Yup, we've got Cad running scared. Look at him go . . .

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yup, we've got Cad running scared. Look at him go . . .

Yeah It's funny to see them trying to claim some sort of "victory" when there wasn't one

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yup, we've got Cad running scared. Look at him go . . .

Yeah It's funny to see them trying to claim some sort of "victory" when there wasn't one

CkG

So Dubya didn't flip flop? Is that what you're saying?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I am all for Kerry..

But where is CKG calling all this bush bashing especially the known facts of his flip flops rhetoric and personal opinion?

Maybe he decided to hide from this one.

When confronted with incontrovertible evidence that Bush was in the wrong or flip-flopped, CkG shuts up rather quickly.

We think alike conjur... :beer:

And you both are FOS. YOUR opinion or the opinion presented by a political adviser is not the necessarily the "truth" like I stated before. Ofcourse I expect nothing less from you two, so go ahead and call it "truth" because you agree with the opinion. Meh - bleat on

CkG

Oh, so Jon Stewart made up Bush's words??

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

CAD rarely, if ever, provides factual evidence to back up his claims. He merely says, "bleat on", as if the argument isn't worth his time. Hey CAD, why don't you try proving yourself for once?

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yup, we've got Cad running scared. Look at him go . . .

Yeah It's funny to see them trying to claim some sort of "victory" when there wasn't one

CkG

:Q Victory is in the eye of the beholder. :laugh: :roll: You lose. :disgust:

:thumbsdown:

 

[Pepsei]

Perhaps one of you should move that link to your sig. Makes it easier for future threads.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
CAD rarely, if ever, provides factual evidence to back up his claims. He merely says, "bleat on", as if the argument isn't worth his time. Hey CAD, why don't you try proving yourself for once?

There isn't anything to "prove" here. It's about OPINION and political advisor's OPINION on the difference between kerry and Bush. Ever take time to see which side he is on? Cripse - you bleaters rant and whine about Rove and others yet seem to just lap it up when Carville opens his flapper.

So yeah - if Carville had facts instead of Opinion then i'd respond in kind - just like i did here. Opinion for opinion.

Ldir -:roll: forget to sleep last night?

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
CAD rarely, if ever, provides factual evidence to back up his claims. He merely says, "bleat on", as if the argument isn't worth his time. Hey CAD, why don't you try proving yourself for once?

There isn't anything to "prove" here. It's about OPINION and political advisor's OPINION on the difference between kerry and Bush. Ever take time to see which side he is on? Cripse - you bleaters rant and whine about Rove and others yet seem to just lap it up when Carville opens his flapper.

So yeah - if Carville had facts instead of Opinion then i'd respond in kind - just like i did here. Opinion for opinion.

Ldir -:roll: forget to sleep last night?

CkG

Cad, you keep ducking me. Did Dubya flip-flop or did he not flip-flop? Please answer the question.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
CAD rarely, if ever, provides factual evidence to back up his claims. He merely says, "bleat on", as if the argument isn't worth his time. Hey CAD, why don't you try proving yourself for once?

There isn't anything to "prove" here. It's about OPINION and political advisor's OPINION on the difference between kerry and Bush. Ever take time to see which side he is on? Cripse - you bleaters rant and whine about Rove and others yet seem to just lap it up when Carville opens his flapper.

So yeah - if Carville had facts instead of Opinion then i'd respond in kind - just like i did here. Opinion for opinion.

Ldir -:roll: forget to sleep last night?

CkG

Cad, you keep ducking me. Did Dubya flip-flop or did he not flip-flop? Please answer the question.

No, I haven't "ducked" anything. I have already addressed this issue. gaard tried to play the same game - he lost. I already explained the political posturing game and how it affects both sides.

CkG

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
CAD rarely, if ever, provides factual evidence to back up his claims. He merely says, "bleat on", as if the argument isn't worth his time. Hey CAD, why don't you try proving yourself for once?

There isn't anything to "prove" here. It's about OPINION and political advisor's OPINION on the difference between kerry and Bush. Ever take time to see which side he is on? Cripse - you bleaters rant and whine about Rove and others yet seem to just lap it up when Carville opens his flapper.

So yeah - if Carville had facts instead of Opinion then i'd respond in kind - just like i did here. Opinion for opinion.

Ldir -:roll: forget to sleep last night?

CkG

Yes, that southern drawl of his just woos us all oh so much..... :roll:

Personally, I do like to hear his opinions from time to time, just like I like to hear from others who are on the far end of their sides. Do I take everything they say to heart? No, but those types do bring up, on occasion, interesting topics worth researching.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No, I haven't "ducked" anything. I have already addressed this issue. gaard tried to play the same game - he lost. I already explained the political posturing game and how it affects both sides.
CkG

Well, apparently you HAVE ducked it. Again. I looked back at every post in this thread and I do not see where you answered the question. Has Bush flip-flopped or not?