Flip flop? This all they have? *Poll*

[TechJunkie95242]

I completely agree with Rainsford, and in reponse to bozack, Dean may of started it but not as many people know that, and you honestly can't believe that if the republicans hadn't pursued this issue that it would still be alive.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

ntdz

Conservatives have no trouble matching wits with the "average voter" and theres a good reason for that.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I completely agree with Rainsford, and in reponse to bozack, Dean may of started it but not as many people know that, and you honestly can't believe that if the republicans hadn't pursued this issue that it would still be alive.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

ntdz

Conservatives have no trouble matching wits with the "average voter" and theres a good reason for that.

Tech, need I remind you that you said:

Repugs were idiots to even suggest that Kerry was a "flip flopper" and inconsistent with his views. Look at Bush and Kerry's record and anyone will see that Bush is the much greater "flip flopper" than Kerry. But I guess thats how the repugs work, they have something wrong with their canidate so they try and blame it on someone else, much like someone farting and saying the other guy did it.

Just pointing out that you are WRONG as usual.....as for the second part of your BS statement the only thing we can do is guess as to whether or not it would have stuck, and your last statement is rather laughable seeing as your "wits" fall far below that of the average voter.

 

[SgtBuddy]

When Colin Powell went to the UN with his case for war, I was for it.

Now, I am against it, due to the huge misinofmation campaign.

I am a flip flopper and if that is all you have against me, then my equally strong rubuttal is "nyah nyah nyah".

 

[Jhhnn]

Ithink we'll have some more substantiative discussions of issues other than Iraq in the next two debate encounters.

And, yeh, "flip-flop" is pretty much all they've got. The Bush camp is trying desperately to make this election about Kerry, and about Terrar, rather than about their own record. Not that I blame them. They insisted on having the foreign policy debate first, Bush's supposed strong point.

It'll only get worse for 'em, now...

 

[CaptnKirk]

im pretty sure that all conservatives are not dumb.

Should be as follows:

I'm pretty sure that all conservatives are not dumb.

Capatlize 'I', ad ' to form contraction of 'I am'.

My reference to Conservatives being DUMB are based partialy on conversations with
my brothers wife, who thinks Bush is the new Messia, and McCain is the Prophet.
She takes and gives thier kids first names - McCain to show her devotion, she
volenteers her time to support Republican Mail-A-Thon and Tela-Harrasment of
her neighbors, she puts those stupid 'Political Statement' T-Shirts on her kids -
kids that don't know a damn thing about Bush or DeLay or McCain - and subjects them
to being persented as her biased opinions - kids can't play with their freinds, it's more
important to her to dress them in GOP slogans and parade them around.

In my opinion, it is a subtle form of child abuse, O.K. because it's the Republican way !

Yep, STUPID - I rest my case.

She tried to tell me about what I experienced in Veit Nam when I was over there
based on what she had heard Rush Linbaugh spew out about the subject.
She would have been what ? maybe 9 years old when I was over there,
since I'm 13 years older than my brother - and I was 22 when I was there.
Yeah, I think she would have known pantloads more than me.

That would be STUPID SQUARED S3.

Did you know that I'm a Republican - but not a closed minded idiot that can't think !

 

[Mockery]

If you took the religious fundamentalist aspect out of the Republican Party you would have something with some serious ideological clout.

Unfortunately, there would only be about ten people left in the party and it would be easier to just rename them Libertarians. lol

 

[Jhhnn]

This whole flip-flop routine from the Bush Camp has been effective. If nothing else, pinning it on Kerry first distracts from their own misdeeds, particularly wrt justifications for the invasion of Iraq.

Reminds me of an old middle school trick- fart loudly in the lunch line, blame it on the guy behind you...

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

BUSH is using hte same tactics to win the campaign as when he lied to us about Iraq
"Say it enough and make voters scared and we'll do whatever you say"

And the poll is pointells. It's just like saying "are you for Bush or kerry".

 

[sillymofo]

Check this out, your favorite "news" station has now plugged the "flip-flop" phrase into anything... We can all see what they're subliminally trying to do...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Mockery
If you took the religious fundamentalist aspect out of the Republican Party you would have something with some serious ideological clout.

Unfortunately, there would only be about ten people left in the party and it would be easier to just rename them Libertarians. lol

Remember when the Republicans used to be pretty much like the Libertarians? Small government, personal freedom, so on and so forth? I don't personally, I'm too young...but history shows how much they've changed. Now it's whether you want group A or group B to decide everything for you.

 

[Steeplerot]

Too bad Nixon is not around he'd be loving this.
This war and the incomptency and cover up are right up his alley.
I wonder if Bush is a fan of his. o great Republican Nixon was.
Keep em coming right wingers, and Democracy will shoot em right back down.

 

[TechJunkie95242]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I completely agree with Rainsford, and in reponse to bozack, Dean may of started it but not as many people know that, and you honestly can't believe that if the republicans hadn't pursued this issue that it would still be alive.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

ntdz

Conservatives have no trouble matching wits with the "average voter" and theres a good reason for that.

Tech, need I remind you that you said:

Repugs were idiots to even suggest that Kerry was a "flip flopper" and inconsistent with his views. Look at Bush and Kerry's record and anyone will see that Bush is the much greater "flip flopper" than Kerry. But I guess thats how the repugs work, they have something wrong with their canidate so they try and blame it on someone else, much like someone farting and saying the other guy did it.

Just pointing out that you are WRONG as usual.....as for the second part of your BS statement the only thing we can do is guess as to whether or not it would have stuck, and your last statement is rather laughable seeing as your "wits" fall far below that of the average voter.

Do republicans not call Kerry a flip flopper when trying to win over voters? Wouldn't you say that, that would be suggesting that he (Kerry) is a flip flopper? Where in that post bozack did I ever say anything about the republicans starting those allegations towards Kerry? Just because I called them idiots for suggesting it, does not imply that they started it, however your error was that you assumed that I suggested they started it.

 

[Mockery]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Mockery
If you took the religious fundamentalist aspect out of the Republican Party you would have something with some serious ideological clout.

Unfortunately, there would only be about ten people left in the party and it would be easier to just rename them Libertarians. lol

Remember when the Republicans used to be pretty much like the Libertarians? Small government, personal freedom, so on and so forth? I don't personally, I'm too young...but history shows how much they've changed. Now it's whether you want group A or group B to decide everything for you.

That was before the Republicans had to keep up with the Democratic promise/wish machine....

Now it's what group of potential babysitters is going to hand us more money.

Will it be the tax and spenders...

Or the tax cut and spenders who put everything on the tab for future generations to pay for....

Sounds like a raw deal either way if you ask me.

but what do I know?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeh, well, Mockery, one group is casting spells and illusions, slashing govt income while radically raising expenditures- effectively looting the system.

Given my choice, I'll take the other guys. They're not trying to force fiscal collapse somewhere down the road, which is surely where current policy will lead us. Not to mention the concommitant concentration of wealth and power achieved in the process...

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
Do republicans not call Kerry a flip flopper when trying to win over voters? Wouldn't you say that, that would be suggesting that he (Kerry) is a flip flopper? Where in that post bozack did I ever say anything about the republicans starting those allegations towards Kerry? Just because I called them idiots for suggesting it, does not imply that they started it, however your error was that you assumed that I suggested they started it.

The Dean team suggested it, republicans went with it....semantics...but I think your post was based more on partisan bias and less on actual facts.

 

[TechJunkie95242]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
Do republicans not call Kerry a flip flopper when trying to win over voters? Wouldn't you say that, that would be suggesting that he (Kerry) is a flip flopper? Where in that post bozack did I ever say anything about the republicans starting those allegations towards Kerry? Just because I called them idiots for suggesting it, does not imply that they started it, however your error was that you assumed that I suggested they started it.

The Dean team suggested it, republicans went with it....semantics...but I think your post was based more on partisan bias and less on actual facts.

Uh-huh

Whatever makes you feeel better.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: steeplerot
Too bad Nixon is not around he'd be loving this.
This war and the incomptency and cover up are right up his alley.
I wonder if Bush is a fan of his. o great Republican Nixon was.
Keep em coming right wingers, and Democracy will shoot em right back down.

I can't believe the Dems on this board blame Vietnam on Nixon.

FYI, every major war we entered in the 20th century was under a Democratic President.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: steeplerot
Too bad Nixon is not around he'd be loving this.
This war and the incomptency and cover up are right up his alley.
I wonder if Bush is a fan of his. o great Republican Nixon was.
Keep em coming right wingers, and Democracy will shoot em right back down.

I can't believe the Dems on this board blame Vietnam on Nixon.

FYI, every major war we entered in the 20th century was under a Democratic President.

Except this one.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: steeplerot
Too bad Nixon is not around he'd be loving this.
This war and the incomptency and cover up are right up his alley.
I wonder if Bush is a fan of his. o great Republican Nixon was.
Keep em coming right wingers, and Democracy will shoot em right back down.

I can't believe the Dems on this board blame Vietnam on Nixon.

FYI, every major war we entered in the 20th century was under a Democratic President.

The Republicans sure have a good start on the 21st

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: steeplerot
Too bad Nixon is not around he'd be loving this.
This war and the incomptency and cover up are right up his alley.
I wonder if Bush is a fan of his. o great Republican Nixon was.
Keep em coming right wingers, and Democracy will shoot em right back down.

I can't believe the Dems on this board blame Vietnam on Nixon.

FYI, every major war we entered in the 20th century was under a Democratic President.

Like Desert Storm? Or wasn't that a major war?

 

[lordtyranus]

Except this one.

Wrong century.

Like Desert Storm? Or wasn't that a major war?

Compared to Korea, Vietnam, and the 2 world wars? I'd say it isn't. Iraq even is tiny compared to those 4.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Except this one.

Wrong century.

Like Desert Storm? Or wasn't that a major war?

Compared to Korea, Vietnam, and the 2 world wars? I'd say it isn't. Iraq even is tiny compared to those 4.

Korea and Vietnam are questionable wars, IMHO, but are you really blaming the Democrats for our involvement in WWI and especially WWII?

And besides, Korea and Vietnam were all about fighting evil and bringing democracy to the rest of the world, aren't those admirable goals for a Bush supporter? Just asking

 

[Jhhnn]

Truman didn't have much choice in Korea- NKorean forces attacked SKorean and American occupation forces stationed in SKorea...

And Vietnam was the product of the Straussian school of international politics- once discredited among Dems, they largely switched parties in the 70's and 80's- hence the term "Neo"- Conservative...

This whole empire mentality among Repubs is a very recent historical development, and has a few flip-flops of its own. Remember all the whining about how America wasn't the world's policeman wrt Kosovo and Bosnia? Somalia?

 

[Mockery]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Yeh, well, Mockery, one group is casting spells and illusions, slashing govt income while radically raising expenditures- effectively looting the system.

Verses the other group effectively looting it's people....?

Given my choice, I'll take the other guys. They're not trying to force fiscal collapse somewhere down the road, which is surely where current policy will lead us. Not to mention the concommitant concentration of wealth and power achieved in the process...

Yep?one is enforcing ?fiscal collapse?? the other is promoting 'economic incentive collapse.'

Again, pick your poison?.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
FYI, every major war we entered in the 20th century was under a Democratic President.

The President declares war? Wow... that's news to me.