Flip flop? This all they have? *Poll*

[Steeplerot]

Just some opinions,
I don't see anyone around taking the Flip Flop thing seriously but the hardcore right here on AT P&N.
Is this some last ditch attempt at justifying voting for this failed president?
If anyone is going to take Bush seriously anymore he needs to talk about real issues not just childish catchphrases.

O0o0o0o0o0o0o your a flippity flopper while tons of people DIE becasue of me. -A real winnah
Changing your mind is GOOD doubly-so when your headed toward a brick wall taking thousands with you
I would expect no less from a commander in chief.

 

[TechJunkie95242]

Repugs were idiots to even suggest that Kerry was a "flip flopper" and inconsistent with his views. Look at Bush and Kerry's record and anyone will see that Bush is the much greater "flip flopper" than Kerry. But I guess thats how the repugs work, they have something wrong with their canidate so they try and blame it on someone else, much like someone farting and saying the other guy did it.:laugh:

 

[sandorski]

An old wise saying goes, "When you point your finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back at you". Seems appropriate.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
Repugs were idiots to even suggest that Kerry was a "flip flopper" and inconsistent with his views. Look at Bush and Kerry's record and anyone will see that Bush is the much greater "flip flopper" than Kerry. But I guess thats how the repugs work, they have something wrong with their canidate so they try and blame it on someone else, much like someone farting and saying the other guy did it.:laugh:

didn't someone just post a link here showing that it was Dems, and more specifically the Dean campaign that started the whole "flip flop" issue?? I will try to find the link.

 

[CaptnKirk]

There is so little substance to the present GOP that all they have
to use against their opponents - any opponents, is childish mockery.
Grade school playground taunting type stuff, they are not able to grow up.

The weak minded that follow their Conservative Radio & TV presentation
are unable to think for themselves, and have to be told waht to do.

They identify with Bush because he is as dumb of a lout as they are - common denominator.
GOP has become the party of the ignorant, unable to recognize or even admit mistakes.
That's why they continue to support this buffon, he represents their own arrogant stupidity.

 

[tallest1]

The right believe Kerry flipflops, most of the left believe he doesn't. Your poll will probably echo that and reveal nothing new.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: tallest1
The right believe Kerry flipflops, most of the left believe he doesn't. Your poll will probably echo that and reveal nothing new.

Considering that most posters here lean to the left the poll will reflect THAT.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: tallest1
The right believe Kerry flipflops, most of the left believe he doesn't. Your poll will probably echo that and reveal nothing new.

Considering that most posters here lean to the left the poll will reflect THAT.

Perhaps even the right is starting to ask "Is that all they have against this guy?"

If not, they should be.

 

[b0mbrman]

That's what this election has turned into on both sides. It bothers me that a great majority of Americans aren't also irked that we've been tricked into ignoring the issues.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
That's what this election has turned into on both sides. It bothers me that a great majority of Americans aren't also irked that we've been tricked into ignoring the issues.

I'd have to agree with that.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
There is so little substance to the present GOP that all they have
to use against their opponents - any opponents, is childish mockery.
Grade school playground taunting type stuff, they are not able to grow up.

The weak minded that follow their Conservative Radio & TV presentation
are unable to think for themselves, and have to be told waht to do.

They identify with Bush because he is as dumb of a lout as they are - common denominator.
GOP has become the party of the ignorant, unable to recognize or even admit mistakes.
That's why they continue to support this buffon, he represents their own arrogant stupidity.

im pretty sure that all conservatives are not dumb.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
There is so little substance to the present GOP that all they have
to use against their opponents - any opponents, is childish mockery.
Grade school playground taunting type stuff, they are not able to grow up.

The weak minded that follow their Conservative Radio & TV presentation
are unable to think for themselves, and have to be told waht to do.

They identify with Bush because he is as dumb of a lout as they are - common denominator.
GOP has become the party of the ignorant, unable to recognize or even admit mistakes.
That's why they continue to support this buffon, he represents their own arrogant stupidity.

im pretty sure that all conservatives are not dumb.

Agreed. It does seem that the majority of the Bush supporters are though?? Just my opinion.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: steeplerot
Topic Title: Flip flop? This all they have?

Best Campaign ever, they will surely win based on this Theme.

 

[Ornery]

WTF does this azzhole stand for anyway?

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: Ornery
WTF does this azzhole stand for anyway?

I don't know... I was wondering about THIS one as well.

 

[Rainsford]

When the name calling starts, it means they've run out of issues and debatable topics. The really fvcking sad part is that it seems to be WORKING with a large part of the country. The GOP has been successful in characterizing Kerry as a "flip-flopper", and given that in America we aren't ever supposed to admit we are wrong...a lot of people seem to dislike Kerry because of some childish name calling. Not saying ALL Bush supporters are like this, but many of them seem to be.

In a fair world, the idiots who use this kind of crap would be declared too stupid to run the country, and the idiots who voted based on it would be declared too stupid to vote. Oh well It is a shame being stupid doesn't hurt more.

 

[Ornery]

Where does Kerry stand on core value issues like:

• Abortion?
• Death penalty?
• Crime & Punishment?

If you don't know, join the club!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Where does Kerry stand on core value issues like:

• Abortion?
• Death penalty?
• Crime & Punishment?

If you don't know, join the club!

I'm for abortion and I'm for the death penalty. I am for being tough on crime, especially the whitecollar crimes that have become so common these days.

John Kerry believes that women have the right to control their own bodies, their own lives, and their own destinies. He believes that the Constitution protects their right to choose and to make their own decisions in consultation with their doctor, their conscience, and their God. He will defend this right as President. He recently announced he will support only pro-choice judges to the Supreme Court. Kerry also believes that we should promote family planning and health plans should assure women contraceptive coverage.

John Kerry is a former prosecutor for one of the country?s largest counties. He personally prosecuted armed robbers, rapists and mob bosses. He learned firsthand the importance of putting resources in the community so that tough laws lead to arrests and convictions. In the United States Senate, he was an early advocate of laws that cracked down on international drug dealers and money laundering and he wrote the Community Oriented Policing System Act which dedicated federal resources to hiring and deploying thousands of cops-on-the-beat throughout the country. Kerry has continued the fight to providing real Homeland Security.

These are secondary issues, the main issues are the right way to handle the war on "terrorism" and the sagging economy and health care.

 

[Ornery]

Kerry abortion position?

Great News for Pedophiles, Murderers and Rapists

• Kerry's early years as a politician in Massachusetts are anything but comforting. Bossie discloses these highlights:
  
  
  As assistant district attorney in Middlesex County (a title he somehow achieved five months after passing the bar exam), his "overhaul" saw the release of convicted pedophile Robert Sedach, who later kidnapped and sexually assaulted a young boy. Later, writes Bossie, the Dukakis-Kerry administration would issue furloughs for 287 sex offenders, 82 first-degree murderers and 184 second-degree murderers.
  
  As Michael Dukakis' lieutenant governor, Kerry supported the furlough program that turned Willie Horton loose on two more victims.
  
  Kerry presided over an increase in parole rates from 50 percent to 58 percent, during which time rapes increased from 1,464 a year to 1,627. Massachusetts became the country's car-theft capital, with twice the average of all 50 states plus the District of Columbia, reported the Christian Science Monitor in November 1984.

Death Penalty

• During one of his debates with Weld in 1996, Kerry ridiculed the idea of capital punishment for terrorists as a "terrorist protection policy," predicting that it would just discourage other nations from extraditing captured terrorists to the United States.
  
  Kerry still opposes capital punishment, but he now makes an exception for terrorists.

 

[daveshel]

I blame the public to a certain extent. People seem to care more about who gets voted off the island than things that matter, and don't seem to have the attention span necessary to deal with issues. The politicians stick to sound bytes because they work.

 

[Steeplerot]

I am not saying Kerry didn't flip flop nor am I saying Bush did not.
What I am saying is that flippity floppity is a asinine 4th grader thing to call someone it sounds childish.
Did Rove have an 8 year old make up the RNC's campaign?
Maybe the Right SHOULD look at this drivel as it sounds very childish and noone is buying it with half a brain cell.

 

[Ornery]

Flip Flop is GOP speak. Flippity Floppity is a Democrat phrase, specifically Al Franken. If Kerry campaigns that he stands for a position on an issue, how do you know he'll follow through with it as president? I know what Bush will and won't veto. That's why Flip Flops are important to disect.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
Repugs were idiots to even suggest that Kerry was a "flip flopper" and inconsistent with his views. Look at Bush and Kerry's record and anyone will see that Bush is the much greater "flip flopper" than Kerry. But I guess thats how the repugs work, they have something wrong with their canidate so they try and blame it on someone else, much like someone farting and saying the other guy did it.:laugh:

really, republicans were idiots to do it? look at the polls, they consistantly show people think kerry flip flops. Obviously, it was extremely smart to do it, not stupid. The flip flop image is obviously hurting him, and even you can't say that the flip flop image is helping him.

 

[Steeplerot]

Maybe a week ago but now that Bush has shown how stubborn and close minded he is about issues
the flip flopping is a good trait considering the idiocy of Bush staying the course like the titanic.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
Repugs were idiots to even suggest that Kerry was a "flip flopper" and inconsistent with his views. Look at Bush and Kerry's record and anyone will see that Bush is the much greater "flip flopper" than Kerry. But I guess thats how the repugs work, they have something wrong with their canidate so they try and blame it on someone else, much like someone farting and saying the other guy did it.:laugh:

really, republicans were idiots to do it? look at the polls, they consistantly show people think kerry flip flops. Obviously, it was extremely smart to do it, not stupid. The flip flop image is obviously hurting him, and even you can't say that the flip flop image is helping him.

You know what the polls show me? They show that the reality tv obsessed idiots that seem to occupy way too much of this country are really easy to convince with lame catch-phrases and soundbites. Doesn't that scare you a little bit? Sure, it's helping your man win...but try to look beyond that. And I'm not convinced people really know what Kerry has "flip-flopped" on...they just like the catchy phrase and they dislike the image it presents.

Winston Churchill said that the best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter. I'm beginning to agree.