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deadlyapp said:
That would be some bullshit. I'd fuckin hate that if I was the seller. Nobody intentionally sells something DOA unless they're already planning on screwing the buyer, and if that was the case they would have just dropped off the face of the earth.

Shit happens, thats why you get insurance. Prick buyers are just as bad as scam sellers.
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So what?

The buyer bought the item the seller was selling in good faith and assuming that the purchased item would be packaged and posted to the buyer in the condition and operation described by the seller.

If the item is not received or not as per the seller's description then it should be the sellers responbility to rectify the transaction fully at their own cost. This includes postage and packaging.
 
daw123 said:
So what?

The buyer bought the item the seller was selling in good faith and assuming that the purchased item would be packaged and posted to the buyer in the condition and operation described by the seller.

If the item is not received or not as per the seller's description then it should be the sellers responbility to rectify the transaction fully at their own cost. This includes postage and packaging.
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If it was indeed packaged improperly and that contributed to the demise, then yes, I would agree, but if it was packed sufficiently that the seller acted in good faith, but some other external force damaged it, and the buyer had opted to forgo insurance, then I'd say making the buyer pay for return shipping is fair. Nobody ends up winning.

Holy shit i just realized that was one sentence.
 
deadlyapp said:
If it was indeed packaged improperly and that contributed to the demise, then yes, I would agree, but if it was packed sufficiently that the seller acted in good faith, but some other external force damaged it, and the buyer had opted to forgo insurance, then I'd say making the buyer pay for return shipping is fair. Nobody ends up winning.

Holy shit i just realized that was one sentence.
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Do you read? I said the packing was inadequate.
 
deadlyapp said:
If it was indeed packaged improperly and that contributed to the demise, then yes, I would agree, but if it was packed sufficiently that the seller acted in good faith, but some other external force damaged it, and the buyer had opted to forgo insurance, then I'd say making the buyer pay for return shipping is fair. Nobody ends up winning.

Holy shit i just realized that was one sentence.
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who gives a fuck how the packaging was, if it's DOA then I assume it was dead before it was put into the box.
 
slightlyhuman said:
Bought car amp off ebay. Received it. Was DOA, very little packing, small box. Returned it today via instructions from opened case on ebay. Cost me $12 to sent it(snail mail) and the user said she couldn't cover my shipping fees. Normally I would say fuck it and not worry about the shipping but she's been an idiot during this entire process and frankly I could use an extra $12 right meow.

I told her to send $10 after just getting back form the PO moments ago and am awaiting a response. I didn't think it would cost that much to send it snail mail. She should be responsible for it even if she told me earlier she couldn't, right?
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does not compute
 
Ns1 said:
who gives a fuck how the packaging was, if it's DOA then I assume it was dead before it was put into the box.
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Not necessarily true. I sold a Klipsch KSW-10 sub to another ATOTer. It was my own sub for a few years and it worked great. It was still working when when shipped and was packed extremely well too. The box even had big, orange stickers that said "Fragile: Handle with care." By the time it got to the buyer it was DAO. It ended up that the amp broke. The buyer and I split the cost to have it fixed.

UPS, Fed Ex and USPS all have some gorillas working in their mail handling departments. I've had working electronics destroyed by all three. Shit happens. However, even if the mail service is at fault and fucks up a perfectly good item I still take the blame, and pay the cost of return shipping as well. If this woman isn't willing to pay return shipping she deserves a neg for shitty service, even if the amp was working when shipped.
 
Typically...shipping coverage isn't recoverable.

I usually don't expect to get my shipping back (although it has happened once or twice when dealing with REALLY nice people).

I'd say you made a 'bad' decision by sending regular mail...you'll never know if it actually gets back and no proof it was sent...should have went flat rate at least with delivery conf. (surely the amp would have fit) or go with fedex for the bigger items, they're typically cheaper than USPS for larger items it seems.

G'luck to ya and your endeavors..hopefully everything works out for the good.
 
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I once sold 2x $300 Vertex SSDs to a guy on ebay. He must have had buyers remorse because he made up shit about them not working @ 100%. after a lot of shit be cried to paypal which promptly returned him his money.

When I got the drives back they were perfect.

Selling on ebay+ Asshole + paypal = you lose.
 
gersson said:
I once sold 2x $300 Vertex SSDs to a guy on ebay. He must have had buyers remorse because he made up shit about them not working @ 100%. after a lot of shit be cried to paypal which promptly returned him his money.

When I got the drives back they were perfect.

Selling on ebay+ Asshole + paypal = you lose.
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This is why I never leave funds in my Paypal. There are a lot of bad/dumb buyers.
 
Ns1 said:
not my problem that it's DOA

seller's responsibility to get it to me in working order


insurance is there to protect the seller, not the buyer.


seller decided reputation wasn't worth 12 bucks.
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Don't agree with you there. It is impossible to have a clean hand off when a shipping company is in the middle.

Insurance is there to protect both the buyer and seller. In all my auctions and for sale threads, I make it clear that insurance is a choice the buyer makes and pays for. Without insurance, there is very little I can do to help the buyer if something goes wrong.

Having said that, if the buyer chooses not to pay it, then I will generally pony up the money to protect my reputation.
 
Garet Jax said:
Don't agree with you there. It is impossible to have a clean hand off when a shipping company is in the middle.

Insurance is there to protect both the buyer and seller. In all my auctions and for sale threads, I make it clear that insurance is a choice the buyer makes and pays for. Without insurance, there is very little I can do to help the buyer if something goes wrong.

Having said that, if the buyer chooses not to pay it, then I will generally pony up the money to protect my reputation.
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LOL

As a seller you are 100% responsible for getting the item to me in working order.

If it breaks during shipping that's your bad.

No optional buyer charges for insurance

Why is eBay removing optional or required shipping insurance when I list or re-list my item?
By removing optional or required shipping insurance, we are adjusting to help meet buyer expectations for ecommerce and aligning with industry standard practices. In most circumstances, buyers do not expect to pay for the cost of shipping insurance. This change also reflects the industry—and eBay—standard practice that sellers are responsible for their items until they are safely in their customers' hands.

As a seller, can I still insure the items I sell on eBay?
Yes, you are still able to insure your items. Check with your shipping carrier for insurance options, contact a third-party shipping insurance provider for insurance coverage, or purchase shipping insurance from your shipping company when you print your shipping labels directly from the site. To help cover the additional expense, consider folding the cost of insurance into your handling cost or item price.

What is wrong with giving the buyer the option to purchase insurance?
Sellers are responsible for their items until they are safely in their customers' hands.Offering insurance to a buyer (optional or required) gives the impression that the buyer is responsible for the safe delivery of the item and can reduce buyer confidence in the marketplace.

http://pages.ebay.com/sell/July2009Update/faq/index.html#1-10

game, set, match.
 
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