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tcsenter

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Sure! Me and the other five, six, seven, eight, people who have been discussing the Jetway card will go straight over there so as to not hurt your little feewings because nobody is discussing the card you want to discuss.

Grow up, baby.
 

epileptic

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Sure! Me and the other five, six, seven, eight, people who have been discussing the Jetway card will go straight over there so as to not hurt your little feewings because nobody is discussing the card you want to discuss.

Grow up, baby.

finally we agree.

do we also agree that the gecube 9550XT is faster @ stock than the jetway? or are you still being delusional? NEWEGG SAYZ ITS 250MHZ NEWEGG WOULDNT LIE TO ME!!!!!

pure comedy.
 

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Originally posted by: Jawadali
http://www.samsung.com/Product...tc36+&x=13&y=7

I'm guessing the tc36 means 3.6 nanoseconds, which means its rated for 555mhz.
550MHz, same difference.

I suspect these chips are speed binned rejects that would not run over 225MHz (450MHz DDR) because I'll be damned if I can get passed 225MHz without artifacts in UT2003 and 3DMark 2001SE. Even tried aiming a fan onto the video card - can't get passed 225MHz. The card is rock solid, though, up to 225MHz.

I thought it was overkill to put 550MHz DRAM on a card with a default clock of 400MHz. Now it makes perfect sense....

It is very likely that they aren't getting the same voltage as they would on a higher end card. Remember that ram speed ratings are all at a certain voltage, so 3.6ns @ 2.5v might be rated for a much lower speed than @ 2.9v. I would either voltmod the card or leave it where its at ;)
 

tcsenter

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do we also agree that the gecube 9550XT is faster @ stock than the jetway? or are you still being delusional?
The GeCube 9550XT is essentially a Radeon 9600 PRO. This much has never been in dispute.

The Jetway is $35 less and my statement that there is nothing faster in the Newegg catalog under $95 stands. When bona fide Radeon 9600 PROs with equal clocks from better companies are going for less than $10 more, the GeCube deal is tepid at best:

SAPPHIRE RADEON 9600PRO 128MB DDR, 128-Bit, 8X AGP OEM 400/600 - $108.00 shipped (Free Newegg Watch)

SAPPHIRE RADEON 9600PRO, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, 8X AGP OEM 400/600 - $110.00 shipped (Free Newegg Watch)

SAPPHIRE ATLANTIS RADEON 9600PRO 128MB DDR, 128-bit, 8X AGP RETAIL 400/600 - $111.00 shipped (Free Newegg Watch)

This is the "Hot Deals" forum, not the 'luke warm deals' forum. The Jetway is indisputably more deserving of mention.
 

epileptic

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The GeCube 9550XT is essentially a Radeon 9600 PRO. This much has never been in dispute

this has never been in dispute?

From Newegg:

Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9550/250MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/400MHz

Its still listed as 250/400 for nearly a month now. If it weren't 250/400, surely Newegg would have changed the specs after a week, two at the most, but a month? Not likely.

isnt saying the card is only 250MHZ the same as saying its not a 9600pro? unless you can show me a 250mhz r9600pro you just inserted foot in mouth.

That's great. If only that were the card offered in the Newegg catalog....but it isn't.

The Digit-Life Review is of the GeCube "Radeon 9550 128MB Platinum Edition". Digit-Life lists the different 9550 models being offered by Info-Tek:

Newegg's catalog:

Model# GC-R9550GU-C3
Item # N82E16814240021

Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9550/250MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/400MHz

Not the same card. Thanks for playing.

Newegg's mistake....for a month now.


its never been in dispute huh? enough of your mindless drivel.
the jetway card is not in the same leage... its probably the best cheapo dx9 card right now but i wouldnt call it doom3 worthy...and i own both. but hey you gota defend the crap you purchase i guess.
now that i got you to admit the gecube card is a 9600pro how is it a better deal to pay more for a card that is labeled 9600pro? the label means something to you? the HSF alone is worth paying LESS for the same card + better cooling.
 

tcsenter

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this has never been in dispute?

isnt saying the card is only 250MHZ the same as saying its not a 9600pro? unless you can show me a 250mhz r9600pro you just inserted foot in mouth.
lol! Genius. The dispute has been whether the card in the Newegg catalog is a GeCube 9550XT, not whether the GeCube 9550XT is faster than a standard Radeon 9600 NP. Do you have any control over how abjectly stupid you make yourself look?

Wait, don't answer that....
 

epileptic

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so you were disputing the fact that the card on newegg is a 9550XT then? well thats a much better arguement.

EDIT: the whole gecube 9550XT on the box and card kind of gives it away for most...sorry its hard for me to understand where you got confused.
 

tcsenter

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Is this not your comment?
and as for not reading....didnt you post back on page 2 how the 9550 is slower than the jetway poop card your pushing even tho you overlook the fact that evreyone keeps telling you this card isnt 250MHZ its actually 400mhz hmmm
This is the statement to which you're referring:
It should be noted the review is of the 9550 "XT" with much higher clocks than the card sold at Newegg. A better review comparison would be the Sapphire Radeon 9550 128MB DDR (250/400) 128-bit 8X AGP.
Never - ever - have I stated nor even implied the Jetway was faster than a Radeon 9550XT. By your own words, you clearly understood that the dispute was whether the card being sold by Newegg was in fact the higher clocked 9550XT.

I was starting to feel sorry that you are making such a fool of yourself, but you've squandered that empathy. You may continue making an idiot of yourself at will.
 

epileptic

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It should be noted the review is of the 9550 "XT" with much higher clocks than the card sold at Newegg. A better review comparison would be the Sapphire Radeon 9550 128MB DDR (250/400) 128-bit 8X AGP.

too bad the card sold at newegg is the XT version. did you ever look at the pics? and you quote yourself once again saying the card on newegg has lower clocks but its in fact the same exact card in the review as on newegg. could you be anymore wrong?

the dispute was whether the card being sold by Newegg was in fact the higher clocked 9550XT.

I never claimed that you said the jetway was faster. so what youre defending i dont know. all i know is you keep insisting there is some shens going on with newegg and the card not being the XT version that it is. I just dont see how hard it is to look at the pics, read the reviews, and determine that it is infact the XT version just like it says all over it. just like the OP made clear....how many times must you be told?
 

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Jeez... I'm so glad I wasted my time listening to you two bicker back and forth in a Hot Deals thread. If I was a computer noob a actually looking for a decently priced video card now I would be even MORE confused than before! :roll:
 

tcsenter

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I never claimed that you said the jetway was faster. so what youre defending i dont know.
Are you high? Do you even realize how utterly stupid you habitually make yourself look? Here are you own words:
"do we also agree that the gecube 9550XT is faster @ stock than the jetway? or are you still being delusional?"
By logical inference, you have accused me of having the delusion that the GeCube 9550XT is not faster than the Jetway. I stated this clearly was never the dispute, a statement which you then questioned (disputing the dispute). More of your own words:
"this has never been in dispute?"
Next, you continue to prove to the world your total incompetence at following a discussion:
"isnt saying the card is only 250MHZ the same as saying its not a 9600pro? unless you can show me a 250mhz r9600pro you just inserted foot in mouth."
In the same breath, you start to agree that the dispute is not about the performance of the 9550XT then immediately attempt to turn it back into a dispute about the performance of the 9550XT. More of your own words:
"its never been in dispute huh? enough of your mindless drivel."
You are having a hard time even following your own arguments!

Again, the dispute has never been whether a Radeon 9550XT is faster than the Jetway. The dispute has been whether the card in the Newegg catalog is a Radeon 9550XT.

I've encountered TONS of imbeciles who couldn't follow my arguments, but I must say that it is very special kind of imbecile who can't even follow his own. MY GOD! Suck a barrel before you reproduce. Think of the children!

And I see you completely ignore that the GeCube is not any sort of a 'Hot Deal' by any sane definition:

The Jetway is $35 less and my statement that there is nothing faster in the Newegg catalog under $95 stands. When bona fide Radeon 9600 PROs with equal clocks from better companies are going for less than $10 more, the GeCube deal is tepid at best:

SAPPHIRE RADEON 9600PRO 128MB DDR, 128-Bit, 8X AGP OEM 400/600 - $108.00 shipped (Free Newegg Watch)

SAPPHIRE RADEON 9600PRO, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, 8X AGP OEM 400/600 - $110.00 shipped (Free Newegg Watch)

SAPPHIRE ATLANTIS RADEON 9600PRO 128MB DDR, 128-bit, 8X AGP RETAIL 400/600 - $111.00 shipped (Free Newegg Watch)

This is the "Hot Deals" forum, not the 'luke warm deals' forum. The Jetway is indisputably more deserving of mention.
 

epileptic

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you make no sense so its no wonder people cant follow your pathetic arguements.

once again ill point out one of the numerous times you claim that newegg doesnt have the "fantasy" 9550XT.

"this card" is not this fantasy Radeon 9550XT that does not exist in Newegg's catalog.

but in fact it does exist and is on the website ...its the link the OP posted...i duno what you are smoking but im sure youll have more BS to spew while making no valid points.
 

epileptic

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your twisted logic amazes me. lets just point out how many incorrect statements youve made so far.

It should be noted the review is of the 9550 "XT" with much higher clocks than the card sold at Newegg.
WRONG the card on newegg IS the 9550XT.

this card is not this fantasy Radeon 9550XT that does not exist in Newegg's catalog
WRONG the card is indeed on newegg and you can find it here. the only part the does not exist on newegg is the 2 letters X and T. of course the card and box show different but you cant see that.

Its still listed as 250/400 for nearly a month now. If it weren't 250/400, surely Newegg would have changed the specs after a week, two at the most, but a month? Not likely.
WRONG I got this @ newegg but sure tell me its only 250mhz because newegg has incorrect specs. the fact that you say its "not likely" that newegg would make this mistake implies that you think the specs are correct. which implies that you are saying the card is only 250mhz, which is where you got me confused by basically saying the card the OP linked to is 250mhz which would imply its slower than the jetway, and that is why i asked if you were still being delusional.

That's great. If only that were the card offered in the Newegg catalog....but it isn't.

The Digit-Life Review is of the GeCube "Radeon 9550 128MB Platinum Edition". Digit-Life lists the different 9550 models being offered by Info-Tek
WRONG the card @ newegg is the platinum version like ive been saying for days. exact same card as reviewed on digital-life.

Newegg's catalog:

Model# GC-R9550GU-C3
Item # N82E16814240021

Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9550/250MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/400MHz

Not the same card. Thanks for playing.
still with the same tired argument anyone with half a brain could determine neweggs mistake by reading the reviews on newegg or even looking at the pictures.


Newegg's mistake....for a month now.
OMG you were right for once!!! newegg did make a mistake. funny how you admit newegg made the mistake but argue like the mistake is the truth, again you make no sense.

The GeCube 9550XT is essentially a Radeon 9600 PRO. This much has never been in dispute
Your first moment of clarity, it actually makes sense for once. I was confused for a moment as you kept pasting neweggs mistake like it was truth...you kept saying its not the same card as the XT which implies that the 250mhz clockspeed you pasted is correct. then you changed up and said the argument was if the card on newegg is the XT version or not. not a very good argument as this thread was started over this card and linked to newegg by the OP and you still call it a fantasy simply because newegg left out the "XT".

youll probably say something like 'there is no such thing as a 9550XT its a fantasy so therefore im correct" unfortunately this is true as the 9550xt is really a 9600PRO. however any rational person discussing this card would call it a 9550XT as thats what it is marketed as. so you are wrong saying its a fantasy as the pics on newegg prove it.

id like to add that i never claimed it was a SUPER HOT DEAL!! so there you go again making no sense.

now to wrap this whole mess up Id like to ask you one final question and maybe you can muster the brain power to answer it...are you ready? here it goes....

Does newegg carry the Info-Tek GeCube 9550XT? if your answer is yes then wow you really made yourself look stupid in the many other posts where you say its not the same card.

and if you answer No....well that says it all....im out.
 

AngryDwarf

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Originally posted by: dallas4u
Jeez... I'm so glad I wasted my time listening to you two bicker back and forth in a Hot Deals thread. If I was a computer noob a actually looking for a decently priced video card now I would be even MORE confused than before! :roll:

Agreed. If this "discussion" between tcsenter and epileptic is typical of threads in the AnandTech HotDeals categories, then I might as well go running back to fat"headed"wallet.com
 

tcsenter

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It should be noted the review is of the 9550 "XT" with much higher clocks than the card sold at Newegg.

WRONG the card on newegg IS the 9550XT.
Is there any particular reason that you are 'replying' to statements I wrote in SEPTEMBER as if you only just noticed them hours ago, even though you've already replied to the exact same messages at least once already? I mean some reason besides you having no argument whatsoever to stand on, and in order to keep this alive, you have to reply to month-old statements already replied to?

You have materially failed to show a single statement that is inconsistent with my position that the dispute has always been about whether the card in the Newegg catalog was or was not a Radeon 9550XT with 400MHz core and 500MHz memory. My position and the statements in support of them have been clear and consistent.

You are the one who has been confused about the nature of the dispute, arguing that the Radeon 9550XT is faster than the Jetway, as though someone said it was not, when nobody had suggested any such thing at any time, then becoming indignant when it was pointed out that nobody had suggested any such thing at any time, and you wanting to ARGUE about whether someone had, when it is clear to EVERYONE except you that this was never the case.

Did you run out of Lithium or something?
 

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Now that your two seem to have calmed down. New egg canceled my order for the 128mb card. Why is this card cheaper, it looks to be the same card but 256 mb.
 

epileptic

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yea i noticed how they ran out of stock on the gecube 9550XT for the 2nd time since i got it. Must be cus its a tepid deal at best. The card you linked to is actually a radeon 9550 with clocks of 250/400. this is the one you have to get as its really a 9600PRO with clocks of 400/600, windows display adapter properties shows this card as a radeon 9600XT and it will OC to 480MHZ easily. Thats the reason why the 256MB card is less money...the 128MB 9550"XT" will run circles around it. I suspect theyll get them back in stock soon as was the case last week when they ran out of stock...just be patient or else spend more money on a 9600PRO like one of the ones tcsenter links to at the top of the page. only thing with that is you pay more for a BULK-OEM card with no free CS:CZ which has value by itself, also not sure if any of those cards are actually XT cores like the 9550XT.
 

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so since the info teck is out of stock since i waited too long how is the SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9600PRO compared i notice it has higher clock speeds and its a little more bu thats ok to me... any ideas??
 

epileptic

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well I dont think the clockspeeds are higher on the Sapphire 9600PRO, RivaTuner and ATiTool show that my 9550XT is running at 400/600 which coresponds with this review of the same 9550XT on newegg.

AmDRaDeOn,10/12/2004 5:57:51 AM

this is the best deal for a midrange card! it comes clocked at 400/300 (same as 9600 pro) and it is recognized as a 9600XT in windows. This also comes with hynix 2.2ns memory. Got 13k in 3dmark01 at stock settings! great price for such a good card!

also the reviews of the sapphire cards have alot of negative things said concerning heat issues. The info-tek card has a much better HSF (its similar to a vga silencer) and not one negative comment about it.

the decision is ultimately yours but I'd hold out...theyll probably be back in stock soon and its well worth it to wait because for less money you get the XT core (great OCer), better HSF (So you actually can OC), Retail box (whoopee), and CS:CZ. if you dont need the CS:CZ cd key sell it on ebay and bring your net cost down to around $90.

hey tcsenter: does newegg have the info-tek gecube 9550XT in their catalog? lol
 

epileptic

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sorry, i told myself I'd leave this be but its too easy to make you look like the asshat that you are.

Is there any particular reason that you are 'replying' to statements I wrote in SEPTEMBER as if you only just noticed them hours ago
care to show me where i may find the expiration date of your statements, as i had no idea they could spoil.

You have materially failed to show a single statement that is inconsistent with my position that the dispute has always been about whether the card in the Newegg catalog was or was not a Radeon 9550XT with 400MHz core and 500MHz memory. My position and the statements in support of them have been clear and consistent.
Makes no sense. let me make it clear for you. I agree the argument is about whether the card in the newegg catolog is or is not a radeon 9550XT. now refer to my above post where i make it blatantly obvious that the card is infact a 9550XT and so the argument that we both now agree we are having ...you lost.

You are the one who has been confused about the nature of the dispute, arguing that the Radeon 9550XT is faster than the Jetway, as though someone said it was not, when nobody had suggested any such thing at any time
Ive made it clear exactly where you suggested that the jetway was faster. I even accepted the blame for letting your nonsense confuse me. let me paste it for you again.

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Its still listed as 250/400 for nearly a month now. If it weren't 250/400, surely Newegg would have changed the specs after a week, two at the most, but a month? Not likely.
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WRONG I got this @ newegg but sure tell me its only 250mhz because newegg has incorrect specs. the fact that you say its "not likely" that newegg would make this mistake implies that you think the specs are correct. which implies that you are saying the card is only 250mhz, which is where you got me confused by basically saying the card the OP linked to is 250mhz which would imply its slower than the jetway, and that is why i asked if you were still being delusional.
when it is clear to EVERYONE except you that this was never the case.
who is EVERYONE? do you have a gerbil up your @ss? Quotes please as I see only you and I...where is the everyone? hahaha
I've encountered TONS of imbeciles who couldn't follow my arguments
and at some point dont you begin to ask yourself, "Could the whole world be the problem...or perhaps I'm an idiot who just doesnt make sense."

basically you are a joke and further responses from you arent necessary as its obvious youll continue to spout off nonsense. You claim I havnt "an argument to stand on" (btw I think the phrase is a leg to stand on) yet you somehow cant answer my simple Yes or No question. amazing.

EDIT: let me respond to this statement so as not to "ignore" it like you did my simple yes or no question.

And I see you completely ignore that the GeCube is not any sort of a 'Hot Deal' by any sane definition
Instead of me disputing this with you...go dispute it with the reviewer at bit-tech who makes a nice chart showing price/performance compared to a R9600 and a 9600PRO.

from the bit-tech review:
you could come to the conclusion that the GeCube 9550XT Platinum Edition offers value that could be labelled with words similar to the steal of the century.
 

tcsenter

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Instead of me disputing this with you...go dispute it with the reviewer at bit-tech who makes a nice chart showing price/performance compared to a R9600 and a 9600PRO.
Based on a price differential of nearly $50.00 between the 9550XT and 9600 PRO. What does that price differential have to do with the less than $10.00 price differential between 9550XT and 9600 PRO in the Newegg catalog? Have you ever thought about what you were going to say before you say it? Oh wait, we have the answer below...
I even accepted the blame for letting your nonsense confuse me.
I suppose that's as much of a confession as we're going to get that you are hopelessly confused. Even though it incorrectly blames me for your confusion, when a child can follow my clear and consistent statements without getting confused, I'm going to overlook that because the important part is where you confess to being confused. I'm glad you agree with me and I'd like to thank you for your candor - nuff said.
 

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Instead of me disputing this with you...go dispute it with the reviewer at bit-tech who makes a nice chart showing price/performance compared to a R9600 and a 9600PRO.
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Based on a price differential of nearly $50.00 between the 9550XT and 9600 PRO. What does that price differential have to do with the less than $10.00 price differential between 9550XT and 9600 PRO in the Newegg catalog? Have you ever thought about what you were going to say before you say it? Oh wait, we have the answer below...
Can you read? what part of go dispute it with the reviewer dont you understand? "What I'm going to say" is actually what he said....sheesh there is no getting through to you what so ever...im talking to someone with the IQ of a spoon.

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I even accepted the blame for letting your nonsense confuse me.
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I suppose that's as much of a confession as we're going to get that you are hopelessly confused. Even though it incorrectly blames me for your confusion, when a child can follow my clear and consistent statements without getting confused, I'm going to overlook that because the important part is where you confess to being confused. I'm glad you agree with me and I'd like to thank you for your candor - nuff said.
More BS. And somehow you cant answer my yes or no question for the 2nd time and we both know why, either answer makes you look like a fool. keep responding and ignoring my questions....you look so intelligent.
 

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you two idiots ever heard of private messages? No one wants to see you two "intellectuals" bicker. Hypocritically, i did learn some info from it all but, keep it to yourselves.

Sooo..... good deal anyways. My roomate is looking for an upgrade from his 7500 and this might do.


"Never argue with a fool, because from far away.... you can't tell who is who."
-Jay Z
 

epileptic

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:(

I realize this has got quite ridiculous and apologize to anyone who has to read it. On the other hand, I'm glad it's public and not private as anyone can see this douche making absolutely no sense. He uses so many run-on sentences who wouldn't get confused? He then points out that since I can actually admit to being confused for a moment, that I must be wrong. Where is the merit in that statement? Anyone can see his dispute is futile. He cant even answer a yes or no question, yet he keeps responding. In his responses he ignores my valid points, he ignores facts, he even ignores a simple yes or no question. All he has is nonsense crap like "this deal isn't hot" as if that saves face for all the stupidity he's spewed! He is so caught up in trying to sound intelligent that he doesn't need valid points and facts. He can just write a paragraph without a single period, confuse the hell out of you, and then when you admit he confused you with his BS, he claims victory. Now watch his reply point out that I left out an apostrophe or forgot to capitalize something.

You are the one who has been confused about the nature of the dispute, arguing that the Radeon 9550XT is faster than the Jetway, as though someone said it was not, when nobody had suggested any such thing at any time, then becoming indignant when it was pointed out that nobody had suggested any such thing at any time, and you wanting to ARGUE about whether someone had, when it is clear to EVERYONE except you that this was never the case.
Sentences are your friend dude.
 

iuseyew

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lets say for a second that this card does not come back in stock does the actual ati 9550 card have this ability or just the info-tek? and if the original card isnt as good as the info-tek then which would be similar to it!!