Fito-Lay Strike

[s0me0nesmind1]

IF only filling out an application guarantees you a new job, or guarantees you a salary comparable to the one you currently have to meet your obligations. God you are a fucking idiot.

You want guaranteed employment for just applying to a job? I hope you run a business and some unskilled crackheads apply to you lol. God you're a moron of epic proportions.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

1) Do you have a comprehension problem?
2) You must have a comprehension problem.

Thanks for showing us just how stupid you really are: Nowhere did was it said they where not being paid overtime. What was said is they are being forced to work overtime and work 7 days a week without any days off. A union contract doesn't have to state overtime (hours worked over 40 hours per week) has to be paid, as it's federal law. No Union contract can take away your legal rights under the law. There is no laws in the United states that requires time off. (this actually needs to change)

Most Unions are only as strong as it's members. Almost all union contracts (collective bargaining agreement) have clauses for forced overtime, not all have limitations in those clauses. Also, Union contracts are to protect the worker and give them legal avenues that idiots like you don't have to protect their jobs, or avenues they can pursue mistreatment, or violations of the contract. It doesn't necessarily mean companies won't violate the terms in the contract, specially since contract violations don't generally carry and criminal penalties unless those violations break state/federal laws. If there is nothing in the contract to protect them from such mistreatment, their only recourse is to negotiate changes in a new contract. Contracts are also different from state to state because of state laws. Of course, we are talking about a Republican state, and we know that Republican's are not for the working man or unions.

"Nowhere did was it said they where not being paid overtime."

Lol, excellent way to start off a post to say I'm stupid hahaha.


Anyhow, I don't know unions obviously since I'm not a union worker. But generally speaking, any W2 contract worker can potentially be working overtime for no pay.

Again, any union that isn't mentally incompetent would have overtime pay in there on page 1. So if they are being paid time and a half for this, I have zero sympathy. Zero.

It is FAR more in the best interest of Fritolay to hire more employees, than pay their current ones time and a half. It's also been shown in plenty of studies that working more hours just reduces the output or quality of work. Companies generally want the MOST output for the least cost. If that's what they are aiming for, they're doing it wrong lol.

 

[NWRMidnight]

You want guaranteed employment for just applying to a job? I hope you run a business and some unskilled crackheads apply to you lol. God you're a moron of epic proportions.

Are you serious? You are calling me a moron because YOU are the one who implied that the difficulty in getting a job, is applying for it. You are so brain dead, you can't comprehend your own response that YOU typed, causing you to miss my point all together. Or do you admit that the difficulties of getting another job goes well beyond just applying for it?

"Nowhere did was it said they where not being paid overtime."

Lol, excellent way to start off a post to say I'm stupid hahaha.

Is that all you have, a typing/editing mistake? So, once again you are just demonstrating your own worthlessness all while amplifying your own stupidity by pointing out a simple editing mistake. Simply amazing!

Anyhow, I don't know unions obviously since I'm not a union worker. But generally speaking, any W2 contract worker can potentially be working overtime for no pay.

Again, any union that isn't mentally incompetent would have overtime pay in there on page 1. So if they are being paid time and a half for this, I have zero sympathy. Zero.

It is FAR more in the best interest of Fritolay to hire more employees, than pay their current ones time and a half. It's also been shown in plenty of studies that working more hours just reduces the output or quality of work. Companies generally want the MOST output for the least cost. If that's what they are aiming for, they're doing it wrong lol.

You make it more than apparent that you don't know anything about unions or the laws. NO, it is 100% illegal to work overtime without pay (excluding exempt employees), NO contract can violate federal laws. So No, generally speaking, no W2 contract worker can work overtime without pay., it is 100% illegal, contract or not. Even if hours worked over 40 hours is transferred to PTO, it is at 1.5 times the hours worked, and it just paid at a later date when they take the time off. (hence they are still paid for the work) Go learn the fucking laws before you argue something. The only person mentally incompetent is you, because you don't understand the overtime laws which applies to every working, non exempt person in the nation, or unions, yet you are sitting here making claims and trying to argue something you know NOTHING about.

Of course you haver no sympathy, all you see is dollar signs with zero regard to health, family, and life itself. With the bold type being the whole point of the strike which is beyond your comprehension. (hint: they aren't striking over the overtime pay you moron!)

With the cost of training, the cost of benefits, and other cost outside of the hourly wage, it is actually cheaper for them to pay the overtime, even with the reduction in productivity. Which is why they try to get away with it as long as possible. It also doesn't help that we are in the middle of a labor shortage.

 

[Vic]

"Nowhere did was it said they where not being paid overtime."

Lol, excellent way to start off a post to say I'm stupid hahaha.


Anyhow, I don't know unions obviously since I'm not a union worker. But generally speaking, any W2 contract worker can potentially be working overtime for no pay.

Again, any union that isn't mentally incompetent would have overtime pay in there on page 1. So if they are being paid time and a half for this, I have zero sympathy. Zero.

It is FAR more in the best interest of Fritolay to hire more employees, than pay their current ones time and a half. It's also been shown in plenty of studies that working more hours just reduces the output or quality of work. Companies generally want the MOST output for the least cost. If that's what they are aiming for, they're doing it wrong lol.

Dude, there are high school kids working at fast food restaurants who understand HR, wage law, and hiring strategy better than you do. Just sayin.
Non-exempt employees can never be made to work OT for no pay. Repeat: never.
Meanwhile, hiring new employees is incredibly expensive while market trends tend to be cyclical. IOW, it would hardly be in Frito Lays best interests to pay to hire and train new employees only to have to pay to lay them off a short time later. Appropriate hiring strategy must be developed in order to find the most cost-effective balance being having too few employees and having too many. Lucky for Frito Lay, there were also able to hire talented HR managers who know far more about this shit than you do.

 

[BoomerD]

This is mostly false. There are no laws that require 8 hours off between shifts, not at the federal level and not at any state level. It's a common misconception. Union contracts generally have such language, but all it will do is allow the employee to refuse to come in sooner than 8 hours between each shift if the employee knows the contract well enough, and not lose their job. (if they don't know the contract, they don't know that the company is violating it). At most, all the company will receive is a monetary penalty for the contract violation, as union contract violations do not carry criminal penalties in most cases unless it's a violation of a state or federal laws, or is a safety violation at the state or federal level.[/B]

I'll be damned...it appears you're right.
For most of my working life, I was either covered by a union contract that required 8 hours off between shifts...or they had to pay the appropriate overtimerate, or else Iwas covered by the Federal Motor Carrier laws that spefiedwork hours and rest periods.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Dude, there are high school kids working at fast food restaurants who understand HR, wage law, and hiring strategy better than you do. Just sayin.
Non-exempt employees can never be made to work OT for no pay. Repeat: never.
Meanwhile, hiring new employees is incredibly expensive while market trends tend to be cyclical. IOW, it would hardly be in Frito Lays best interests to pay to hire and train new employees only to have to pay to lay them off a short time later. Appropriate hiring strategy must be developed in order to find the most cost-effective balance being having too few employees and having too many. Lucky for Frito Lay, there were also able to hire talented HR managers who know far more about this shit than you do.

I completely understand the laws - what I don't know is whether these employees are exempt or non-exempt. My natural assumption is any union worth a shit would ensure they are paid for OT, and thus they would be non-exempt.

Either way, crying about being paid time and a half for unproductive work is laughable. It is unquestionable that hiring additional workers would be cheaper, regardless of what retarded narrative you keep wanting to sell yourselves.

 

[Perknose]

Suicide never crossed my mind.

Well, to be fair, it does have three syllables, so . . .

 

[NWRMidnight]

I completely understand the laws - what I don't know is whether these employees are exempt or non-exempt. My natural assumption is any union worth a shit would ensure they are paid for OT, and thus they would be non-exempt.

Either way, crying about being paid time and a half for unproductive work is laughable. It is unquestionable that hiring additional workers would be cheaper, regardless of what retarded narrative you keep wanting to sell yourselves.

Hahaha.. if you "completely understood the laws" you would know the exempt status of these union workers, and you wouldn't be making such stupid comments.

No, the majority of time, it's not cheaper to hire additional workers than pay over time. Pull your head out of your ass for just one minute and research/google it!

 

[Zorba]

Suicidal after 5 months without a day off? Pfft...fucking nancies.

I get that the job must be mind-numbing boring...but fuck me. I worked 7-12's for over a year without a day off...and commuted ~100miles each way into the SF Bay area every day...adding ( on average) at least 4 hours to my daily grind. Suicide never crossed my mind.

First, I'm calling Shens. Second, I'm guessing you were making far more money.

 

[Zorba]

"OMG It's NOT THAT EASY! It's SOOOOOOOOOOOOPER difficult to get online and fill out job applications in 10 minutes! All the typing... and the searching...UGH! So much work!"

When you are working 84 hours a week with no days off its extremely difficult to interview for a different job.

 

[Zorba]

They first have to violate labor laws to have a complaint. Violation of a union contract is not a violation of labor laws. Forced overtime, forced 7 day work weeks is not a labor law violation as there are no laws in the Nation that prevent such actions.

There are in some industries that regulate days, like aviation, but yeah for the most part nothing.

 

[hal2kilo]

That’s too bad, now we all have to suffer with you.

Never 7/12's but couple years of 6/11's. Great for making bank. No time to spend it. Stupid government contracts, it wasn't really necessary even.

 

[NWRMidnight]

There are in some industries that regulate days, like aviation, but yeah for the most part nothing.

Those are FAA/DOT violations, not labor violations.