Fishing boats attempt to break Israeli blockade

[mxyzptlk]

Two converted fishing boats set sail from Cyprus today carrying more than forty activists and humanitarian workers who are part of the Free Gaza movement that is trying to break the Israeli blockade on the Gaza Strip. The Israeli foreign ministry said in an open letter to the participants, ?We assume that your intentions are good but, in fact, the result of your action is that you are supporting the regime of a terrorist organization in Gaza.?

It's kind of crazy what they're attempting here. They've already gotten death threats, but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels. I don't know much about the blockade of the Gaza strip, other than that it is still happening.

On the radio, I'd heard that the Israelis were ensuring that enough aid makes it into the area to prevent any humanitarian crises.. but little else. Why is it okay for an entire region to be treated like this? It's like some kind of collective punishment for all of the people because of the actions of the minority, the "terrorists."

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[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.

On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Two converted fishing boats set sail from Cyprus today carrying more than forty activists and humanitarian workers who are part of the Free Gaza movement that is trying to break the Israeli blockade on the Gaza Strip. The Israeli foreign ministry said in an open letter to the participants, ?We assume that your intentions are good but, in fact, the result of your action is that you are supporting the regime of a terrorist organization in Gaza.?

It's kind of crazy what they're attempting here. They've already gotten death threats, but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels. I don't know much about the blockade of the Gaza strip, other than that it is still happening.

On the radio, I'd heard that the Israelis were ensuring that enough aid makes it into the area to prevent any humanitarian crises.. but little else. Why is it okay for an entire region to be treated like this? It's like some kind of collective punishment for all of the people because of the actions of the minority, the "terrorists."

links

It's called "self-defense," and Israel has every right to implement it.

do you support Hamas?

 

[Nebor]

It's a blockade! How else are they supposed to enforce it? With loud music? Shoot the fuckers. No more will come.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: palehorse
do you support Hamas?

No, but my mother claims to be a member of Hezbollah.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's a blockade! How else are they supposed to enforce it? With loud music? Shoot the fuckers. No more will come.

You got issues. It's as if you don't care for the value of human life. Maybe nobody loves you. Maybe you don't love yourself.

Either way I think you need professional help. All your posts are kill them murder them who gives a fuck B.S.

You with a gun in the middle of a war. I wouldn't want to be a civilian on the other side.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.

On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Maybe we should too

Just because they aren't armed, doesn't mean they aren't up to no good.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

How are they going to break a blockade with modified fishing boats? Unless "modified" means that every single person on board is armed with RPG's and assault rifiles, and the boat has 50cm of armor and several torpedoes strapped to it...

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
How are they going to break a blockade with modified fishing boats? Unless "modified" means that every single person on board is armed with RPG's and assault rifiles, and the boat has 50cm of armor and several torpedoes strapped to it...

They plan to sail right past the Israeli ships. You realize it's not a physical "blockade" as in a wall of ships, right? They're counting on the Israeli's not shooting them because they're supposedly unarmed. I say they're heavily armed: with moral support for terrorists. Sink 'em.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's a blockade! How else are they supposed to enforce it? With loud music? Shoot the fuckers. No more will come.

You got issues. It's as if you don't care for the value of human life. Maybe nobody loves you. Maybe you don't love yourself.

Either way I think you need professional help. All your posts are kill them murder them who gives a fuck B.S.

You with a gun in the middle of a war. I wouldn't want to be a civilian on the other side.

I value human life realistically. Life has varying value in different parts of the world, think of it as an exchange rate. Here a life may be worth a laptop computer ($1200 or so) whereas in Afghanistan it may be worth a fistful of dates ($1.) It's the way things are. Feel free to pretend otherwise though.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
How are they going to break a blockade with modified fishing boats? Unless "modified" means that every single person on board is armed with RPG's and assault rifiles, and the boat has 50cm of armor and several torpedoes strapped to it...

They plan to sail right past the Israeli ships. You realize it's not a physical "blockade" as in a wall of ships, right? They're counting on the Israeli's not shooting them because they're supposedly unarmed. I say they're heavily armed: with moral support for terrorists. Sink 'em.

I wonder if any American news networks would even mention if that happened. Already there is very little coverage of the situation in US media.

Also, they mentioned that the ships were thoroughly inspected numerous times before leaving Cypress. They are completely unarmed.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.

On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Maybe we should too

Just because they aren't armed, doesn't mean they aren't up to no good.

Don't worry, we do. Iraqi girls don't just rape and murder themselves, y'know 😉

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.

On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Maybe we should too

Just because they aren't armed, doesn't mean they aren't up to no good.

Don't worry, we do. Iraqi girls don't just rape and murder themselves, y'know 😉

I like how you demonize US forces in every single post you make, but then have the gall to put a counter on their lives in your signature as if you actually give a fuck.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.

On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Maybe we should too

Just because they aren't armed, doesn't mean they aren't up to no good.

Don't worry, we do. Iraqi girls don't just rape and murder themselves, y'know 😉

Yes, completely comparable example :roll:

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's a blockade! How else are they supposed to enforce it? With loud music? Shoot the fuckers. No more will come.

You got issues. It's as if you don't care for the value of human life. Maybe nobody loves you. Maybe you don't love yourself.

Either way I think you need professional help. All your posts are kill them murder them who gives a fuck B.S.

You with a gun in the middle of a war. I wouldn't want to be a civilian on the other side.

I value human life realistically. Life has varying value in different parts of the world, think of it as an exchange rate. Here a life may be worth a laptop computer ($1200 or so) whereas in Afghanistan it may be worth a fistful of dates ($1.) It's the way things are. Feel free to pretend otherwise though.

So basically since you are joining the military and getting paid table scraps for your service to your nation.. your life is meaningless compared to the rest of us.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Yes, completely comparable example :roll:

Forgive me, here is a better one.

There are pages and pages of stories, if you need any more examples.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's a blockade! How else are they supposed to enforce it? With loud music? Shoot the fuckers. No more will come.

You got issues. It's as if you don't care for the value of human life. Maybe nobody loves you. Maybe you don't love yourself.

Either way I think you need professional help. All your posts are kill them murder them who gives a fuck B.S.

You with a gun in the middle of a war. I wouldn't want to be a civilian on the other side.

I value human life realistically. Life has varying value in different parts of the world, think of it as an exchange rate. Here a life may be worth a laptop computer ($1200 or so) whereas in Afghanistan it may be worth a fistful of dates ($1.) It's the way things are. Feel free to pretend otherwise though.

So basically since you are joining the military and getting paid table scraps for your service to your nation.. your life is meaningless compared to the rest of us.

I'm actually moving to a contract position with my current employer wherein I provide indefinite support for the projects I've developed for about a third of my current pay. So that on top of my officers pay and allowances should have me making maybe ~$20k less than I currently do. By the end of my 3 year obligation I'll be back where I am now.

But relatively speaking, yes, my life is meaningless compared to yours. It's worth far less to me. That's why I'm willing to risk it, where I wouldn't risk your life. In other words, I value most other peoples lives far more than I value my own.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Yes, completely comparable example :roll:

Forgive me, here is a better one.

There are pages and pages of stories, if you need any more examples.

Uh, that's kinda what's going on in the OP. Soldiers see a vehicle heading towards them, no response at the soldiers gestures to stop them, they get lit up.

It gets filed under shit happens. They have to live with making the wrong conclusion about their self preservation being in trouble. They just weren't shooting the car for shits and giggles.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.

On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Maybe we should too

Just because they aren't armed, doesn't mean they aren't up to no good.

I just realized this was the start to an odd derail of posts and it is completely irrelevant. This isn't a small craft full of suicide bombers. It's two vessels full of 40+ protesters who are trying to demonstrate that Israel is carrying out an illegal occupation/blockade.

Firing on them would be.. well, it certainly wouldn't be in Israel's best interests.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.

On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Maybe we should too

Just because they aren't armed, doesn't mean they aren't up to no good.

I just realized this was the start to an odd derail of posts and it is completely irrelevant. This isn't a small craft full of suicide bombers. It's two vessels full of 40+ protesters who are trying to demonstrate that Israel is carrying out an illegal occupation/blockade.

Firing on them would be.. well, it certainly wouldn't be in Israel's best interests.

For clarification I'm not saying Israel is right in the blockade, I don't have an opinion on it since I don't know much about it. Just that there can certainly be justification for firing on "unarmed" people.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Two converted fishing boats set sail from Cyprus today carrying more than forty activists and humanitarian workers who are part of the Free Gaza movement that is trying to break the Israeli blockade on the Gaza Strip. The Israeli foreign ministry said in an open letter to the participants, ?We assume that your intentions are good but, in fact, the result of your action is that you are supporting the regime of a terrorist organization in Gaza.?

It's kind of crazy what they're attempting here. They've already gotten death threats, but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels. I don't know much about the blockade of the Gaza strip, other than that it is still happening.

On the radio, I'd heard that the Israelis were ensuring that enough aid makes it into the area to prevent any humanitarian crises.. but little else. Why is it okay for an entire region to be treated like this? It's like some kind of collective punishment for all of the people because of the actions of the minority, the "terrorists."

links

It's called "self-defense," and Israel has every right to implement it.

do you support Hamas?

no but you obviously support shooting unarmed, innocent civilians.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
For clarification I'm not saying Israel is right in the blockade, I don't have an opinion on it since I don't know much about it. Just that there can certainly be justification for firing on "unarmed" people.

Fair enough, I don't believe in absolutes anyway. We're an imaginative bunch.. we could sit here and think up countless situations that justify all kinds of crazy shit 🙂

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Yes, completely comparable example :roll:

Forgive me, here is a better one.

There are pages and pages of stories, if you need any more examples.

Uh, that's kinda what's going on in the OP. Soldiers see a vehicle heading towards them, no response at the soldiers gestures to stop them, they get lit up.

It gets filed under shit happens. They have to live with making the wrong conclusion about their self preservation being in trouble. They just weren't shooting the car for shits and giggles.

Nowhere in the story did it say anything about "no response at the soldiers gestures to stop them". But I don't blame you for making that part up; the US military does it so often, we automatically assume that's the case. This didn't happen at a checkpoint; it happened on a civilian street. Earth to US soldiers: if you're walking down a street, there is a good chance that cars will be driving on it.

Besides that, it has all the classic signs of a clusterf*ckup.

US military reports the Iraqis were shooting at them. No evidence of enemy fire found.

US military reports a weapon was found inside the car. No weapon found.

A male banker and two female bank employees, unarmed, driving down a civilian road to work, had the unfortunate luck of driving past a group of trigger-happy US soldiers. That's it.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Besides that, it has all the classic signs of a clusterf*ckup.

US military reports the Iraqis were shooting at them. No evidence of enemy fire found.

US military reports a weapon was found inside the car. No weapon found.

A male banker and two female bank employees, unarmed, driving down a civilian road to work, had the unfortunate luck of driving past a group of trigger-happy US soldiers. That's it.

Didn't you see Rules of Engagement with Samuel L. Jackson? All the weapons and casings were cleaned up before the investigators arrived.

Or maybe the Iraqis were using H&K G11 rifles which fire caseless ammunition. No evidence to find! I hear those are quite popular with insurgents.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Yes, completely comparable example :roll:

Forgive me, here is a better one.

There are pages and pages of stories, if you need any more examples.

Uh, that's kinda what's going on in the OP. Soldiers see a vehicle heading towards them, no response at the soldiers gestures to stop them, they get lit up.

It gets filed under shit happens. They have to live with making the wrong conclusion about their self preservation being in trouble. They just weren't shooting the car for shits and giggles.

Nowhere in the story did it say anything about "no response at the soldiers gestures to stop them".

U.S. soldiers "perceived the rapidly approaching vehicle as a threat" and opened fire "after the driver failed to respond to soldiers' warning measures,"

How exactly is that making it up? It's from the article you posted...Unless you consider failing to respond to warning measures completely, unfathomably different from a gesture to stop.