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Fishing boats attempt to break Israeli blockade

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Originally posted by: Turkish
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7578880.stm

palehorse can STFU now.

Seems to me Palehorse was correct. Israel has already allowed humanitarian aid across the blockade, this is nothing new except a politician was on the boat for some free publicity. If they had been carrying arms I would have expecting them to be destroyed, or bordered with the offender killed. Luckily, these people were smarter than that.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Turkish
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7578880.stm

palehorse can STFU now.

Seems to me Palehorse was correct. Israel has already allowed humanitarian aid across the blockade, this is nothing new except a politician was on the boat for some free publicity. If they had been carrying arms I would have expecting them to be destroyed, or bordered with the offender killed. Luckily, these people were smarter than that.

Your signature is enough for me to not waste my time.
 
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Turkish
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7578880.stm

palehorse can STFU now.

Seems to me Palehorse was correct. Israel has already allowed humanitarian aid across the blockade, this is nothing new except a politician was on the boat for some free publicity. If they had been carrying arms I would have expecting them to be destroyed, or bordered with the offender killed. Luckily, these people were smarter than that.

Your signature is enough for me to not waste my time.

Your name was enough for me not to waste my time but I bothered. I see you have no response though, that says enough.
 
Originally posted by: brandonb
Originally posted by: Nebor
It's a blockade! How else are they supposed to enforce it? With loud music? Shoot the fuckers. No more will come.

I'm sure if someone came on this forum and said shoot the fucking Jews, they'd be banned. Why aren't you yet?

But then again, its funny that the same Jews are in every Israeli supporting them. I will support Hamas over Israeli's any day of the week. They are less fanatic. And I'm 100% serious.

Here's a little 101 on mankind and the defining groups within it: "Jews" are people practicing a certain religion. "Muslims" too. "People on the boat trying to breach the blockade" are just that. It's not racism, just a bunch of stupid fucks siding with the wrong group.

When I'm rich enough, I'm going to offer ignorant idiots like you free airfare to Gaza strip, all-inclusive, so you can see first hand who's the more fanatic. Don't count on me getting you out, though. Have a week with your AK47 wielding, suicide bombing, belligerent Muslim zealots who can't even help themselves stop killing each other 😀

 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Turkish
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7578880.stm

palehorse can STFU now.

Seems to me Palehorse was correct. Israel has already allowed humanitarian aid across the blockade, this is nothing new except a politician was on the boat for some free publicity. If they had been carrying arms I would have expecting them to be destroyed, or bordered with the offender killed. Luckily, these people were smarter than that.

Your signature is enough for me to not waste my time.

Your name was enough for me not to waste my time but I bothered. I see you have no response though, that says enough.

Well as an atheist who has no reason to side with either religious side, I actually side with Isreal on a lot of these issues but fanatic religious, easy to fool zealots like you advocating shooting at innocent unarmed civilians are why most people side against Israel. This conversation is over.
 
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Turkish
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7578880.stm

palehorse can STFU now.

Seems to me Palehorse was correct. Israel has already allowed humanitarian aid across the blockade, this is nothing new except a politician was on the boat for some free publicity. If they had been carrying arms I would have expecting them to be destroyed, or bordered with the offender killed. Luckily, these people were smarter than that.

Your signature is enough for me to not waste my time.

Your name was enough for me not to waste my time but I bothered. I see you have no response though, that says enough.

Well as an atheist who has no reason to side with either religious side, I actually side with Isreal on a lot of these issues but fanatic religious, easy to fool zealots like you advocating shooting at innocent unarmed civilians are why most people side against Israel. This conversation is over.

Did I say unarmed? You able to read at all Turkish or do they not teach you that there? Re-read my post again. If they had been carrying arms I would have expecting them to be destroyed, or bordered with the offender killed.

Maybe you should try reading what is typed instead of assuming. Don't know why I expected more. Actually re-reading your posts in this thread, I should have expected just this, senseless accusations from a moron too focused on what he perceives as the great evil war mongering Americans. Maybe you just step back from your "zomg they want to kill zee childrennn zeeeee childreeeennnnnn" for a minute.
 
Originally posted by: Turkish


Well as an atheist who has no reason to side with either religious side, I actually side with Isreal on a lot of these issues but fanatic religious, easy to fool zealots like you advocating shooting at innocent unarmed civilians are why most people side against Israel. This conversation is over.

Once they try to break through a military blockade they are no longer innocent. Maybe its wrong and maybe its right but that isn't the point. Stupidity often gets you hurt or killed. Trying to force your way through a blockade of freaking military naval ships is flat out insane.

Next time you see a DUI checkpoint why don't you try just breaking through it and going about your way. See
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.
On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Way to distort the event. From that same article:

". . . the area in which the cameraman was hurt is an area in which ongoing fighting against armed, extreme and dangerous terrorist organizations occurs on a daily basis.

?The presence of media, photographers and other uninvolved individuals in areas of warfare is extremely dangerous and poses a threat to their lives.?

Israeli forces have been fighting running battles with militants from a range of Islamist splinter groups in Gaza over the last few months, with a particular upsurge since the Islamist Hamas took control of the territory in a military coup last summer.
Would you classify the U.S. in Iraq as having "a long-standing tradition of firingy on unarmed civilians?" Because, guess what? The U.S. has killed many, many civilians there because of mistakes made by the military. How come you're holding Israel to a different standard?
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.
On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Maybe we should too

Just because they aren't armed, doesn't mean they aren't up to no good.
Don't worry, we do. Iraqi girls don't just rape and murder themselves, y'know 😉
Clearly, this incident is representative of U.S. policy in Iraq.

There are evil soldiers in every military. That doesn't mean the military itself or its country is evil. Also, in a time of war, horrible mistakes are unavoidable, despite the best of intentions, and civilians pay the price.

Why don't you point out for us an extended military conflict where there were no actions by the "good side" (because of the criminalality of soldiers or mistakes) that killed, maimed, or brutalized civilians.
 
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.
On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Maybe we should too

Just because they aren't armed, doesn't mean they aren't up to no good.
Don't worry, we do. Iraqi girls don't just rape and murder themselves, y'know 😉
Clearly, this incident is representative of U.S. policy in Iraq.

There are evil soldiers in every military. That doesn't mean the military itself or its country is evil. Also, in a time of war, horrible mistakes are unavoidable, despite the best of intentions, and civilians pay the price.

Why don't you point out for us an extended military conflict where there were no actions by the "good side" (because of the criminalality of soldiers or mistakes) that killed, maimed, or brutalized civilians.

Rather ironically, the US puts forth more effort to reduce civilian casualties than any point in history AND any other country today. It wasn't long ago that we would firebomb entire cities. Now we use uber expensive "smart bombs" to cause less collateral damage.

 
Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

When I'm rich enough, I'm going to offer ignorant idiots like you free airfare to Gaza strip, all-inclusive, so you can see first hand who's the more fanatic. Don't count on me getting you out, though. Have a week with your AK47 wielding, suicide bombing, belligerent Muslim zealots who can't even help themselves stop killing each other 😀

I'll take you up on that offer. Actually I think I'd rather go to Iran. Their women are hot!
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Turkish
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7578880.stm

palehorse can STFU now.

Seems to me Palehorse was correct. Israel has already allowed humanitarian aid across the blockade, this is nothing new except a politician was on the boat for some free publicity. If they had been carrying arms I would have expecting them to be destroyed, or bordered with the offender killed. Luckily, these people were smarter than that.

Your signature is enough for me to not waste my time.

Your name was enough for me not to waste my time but I bothered. I see you have no response though, that says enough.

Well as an atheist who has no reason to side with either religious side, I actually side with Isreal on a lot of these issues but fanatic religious, easy to fool zealots like you advocating shooting at innocent unarmed civilians are why most people side against Israel. This conversation is over.

Did I say unarmed? You able to read at all Turkish or do they not teach you that there? Re-read my post again. If they had been carrying arms I would have expecting them to be destroyed, or bordered with the offender killed.

Maybe you should try reading what is typed instead of assuming. Don't know why I expected more. Actually re-reading your posts in this thread, I should have expected just this, senseless accusations from a moron too focused on what he perceives as the great evil war mongering Americans. Maybe you just step back from your "zomg they want to kill zee childrennn zeeeee childreeeennnnnn" for a minute.

Ok dumbass, since you called me a moron, I too can call you a moron of great proportions.

First things first, I love America more than your dumb ass ever can because I wasn't born with the "born in the USA" label on my ass. Instead, I struggled and lived alone since age 15, moving from Turkey to U.S. I didn't have family, friends or anything here. I owe a lot to the U.S. and thankfully, morons like you cannot ruin it.

Second, you are a moron not only because of your set perceptions about people you don't actually know, but also because your only defense mechanism is yelling "OMG HE IS AGAINST AMERICA" when you see someone arguing against a certain Israeli action when in fact I had not said anything about the U.S. at all in this thread.

You are a tool and nothing more. Moron.
 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: Turkish


Well as an atheist who has no reason to side with either religious side, I actually side with Isreal on a lot of these issues but fanatic religious, easy to fool zealots like you advocating shooting at innocent unarmed civilians are why most people side against Israel. This conversation is over.

Once they try to break through a military blockade they are no longer innocent. Maybe its wrong and maybe its right but that isn't the point. Stupidity often gets you hurt or killed. Trying to force your way through a blockade of freaking military naval ships is flat out insane.

Next time you see a DUI checkpoint why don't you try just breaking through it and going about your way. See

There is no way cops can know whether you are under influence or not without testing you first. In this scenario however, Israeli military can stop them first, INSTEAD OF SHOOTING THEM, and search their boat or whatever. A few morons in this thread claimed that it is Israel's right to shoot them as soon as they see them approach. Good thing the Israelis have more fuckin sense than morons like RichardE.
 
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: Turkish


Well as an atheist who has no reason to side with either religious side, I actually side with Isreal on a lot of these issues but fanatic religious, easy to fool zealots like you advocating shooting at innocent unarmed civilians are why most people side against Israel. This conversation is over.

Once they try to break through a military blockade they are no longer innocent. Maybe its wrong and maybe its right but that isn't the point. Stupidity often gets you hurt or killed. Trying to force your way through a blockade of freaking military naval ships is flat out insane.

Next time you see a DUI checkpoint why don't you try just breaking through it and going about your way. See

There is no way cops can know whether you are under influence or not without testing you first. In this scenario however, Israeli military can stop them first, INSTEAD OF SHOOTING THEM, and search their boat or whatever. A few morons in this thread claimed that it is Israel's right to shoot them as soon as they see them approach. Good thing the Israelis have more fuckin sense than morons like RichardE.



Generally, unless they have reason to believe they are in immediate danger, military blockades will attempt to stop ships/turn them around. If you choose to ignore their orders and try to break through the blockade then they will feel threatened, and rightfully so, and I have no problem with them blowing the offender out of the water.

And my point about the DUI checkpoint had nothing to do with them testing you or if you are drunk or not. I was pointing out what would happen if you ignored orders to stop and simply broke through the roadblock and kept on going.

I am glad no one was hurt in this stunt but in reality trying to run a military blockade is insanely stupid. "Hmm, there are a bunch of big ass naval ships over there with big ass guns on them with orders to not let any unauthorized vessels past them. I got a great idea! Lets try to break through!!!!"


Edit: I do agree with the main point of your post though. Up until such time they had reasonable cause to feel threatened they should exhaust all of their other options before resorting to firing on them. Even then, a warning shot from one of those big ass naval ships will usually change their mind.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
It's a blockade! How else are they supposed to enforce it? With loud music? Shoot the fuckers. No more will come.

Well, you're looking mighty transparent today! *winks seductively*
 
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Originally posted by: palehorse
do you support Hamas?

No, but my mother claims to be a member of Hezbollah.
"claims to be a member"? wtf does that mean?
It means that if you ask her, she will claim to be a member of hezbollah.
That's too bad. I think Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorist fucking scum who need to be put down like the rabid dogs that they are... as are all who support them.

so ya, that's too bad...

how about we do that with the bush administration as well? i think the same of hezbollah, hamas, bush and cheney. they are all equal in terms of violent and teroristic (if that's a word) behaviour.

so is turkey with the Armenian genocide.
 
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels.
On the contrary, the Israeli military has a long-standing tradition of firing on unarmed civilians.

Maybe we should too

Just because they aren't armed, doesn't mean they aren't up to no good.

I just realized this was the start to an odd derail of posts and it is completely irrelevant. This isn't a small craft full of suicide bombers. It's two vessels full of 40+ protesters who are trying to demonstrate that Israel is carrying out an illegal occupation/blockade.

Firing on them would be.. well, it certainly wouldn't be in Israel's best interests.

It might not be the smartest thing for them to do, but if anyone tries anything against Israel, Israel is going to fuck their shit up bad. The Israeli's don't mess around.
It's a blockade, if they let someone through it has failed thus you can not maintain such blockade meaning that your enemy that kills women and children as well will continue doing so.

I wish I lived in your world were you can talk sense into anyone, but here in reality it doesn't work that way.
 
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk


Two converted fishing boats set sail from Cyprus today carrying more than forty activists and humanitarian workers who are part of the Free Gaza movement that is trying to break the Israeli blockade on the Gaza Strip. The Israeli foreign ministry said in an open letter to the participants, ?We assume that your intentions are good but, in fact, the result of your action is that you are supporting the regime of a terrorist organization in Gaza.?

It's kind of crazy what they're attempting here. They've already gotten death threats, but I'd hope that the Israeli navy wouldn't be insane enough to fire on two unarmed vessels. I don't know much about the blockade of the Gaza strip, other than that it is still happening.

On the radio, I'd heard that the Israelis were ensuring that enough aid makes it into the area to prevent any humanitarian crises.. but little else. Why is it okay for an entire region to be treated like this? It's like some kind of collective punishment for all of the people because of the actions of the minority, the "terrorists."

links
It's called "self-defense," and Israel has every right to implement it.

do you support Hamas?

no but you obviously support shooting unarmed, innocent civilians.

Just because they are unarmed doesn't mean they are innocent.
 
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