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First Steamroller processor core exposure

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Well its an prototype from several months ago, AMD showed an properly functioning Kaveri at computex so you guys should not worry about much lower clocks.
 
SiliconWars said:
If you tally up the rumours you could end up at that conclusion. It's late, there were rumours of cancellations, dropped hexa-cores, die shots etc etc.

Telling for me is that a quad core is replacing an octo-core in the server lineup and there appears to be no octo-core desktop part on the near horizon. I'm not about to predict a huge AMD comeback or that Kaveri will blow away Haswell or anything like that, but the upcoming core is likely to be a lot meatier than Piledriver.
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I agree with you on this point. A SR core/module that is really "beefed" up is much more important than just having 8 cores. Efficient powerful cores will win the day.
 
krumme said:
Seriously who leaks true die photos? What should be the motivation?
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Who leaks benchmarks of ES chips?

The existence of true die photos is a fact of life within the industry. You need those photos to perform certain aspects of day-to-day jobs within the company, the same as needing ES chips.

But eventually someone with questionable morals and ethics, combined with an over-riding ego and narcissistic desire to be Mr. Cool will come upon the die images and decide for themselves that the world needs to see them too.
 
It's not unimaginable that someone would leak, if that is a real Steamroller die shot. I bet there are quite a few bruised egos among the AMD engineers over the Bulldozer debacle.
 
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Idontcare said:
Who leaks benchmarks of ES chips?

The existence of true die photos is a fact of life within the industry. You need those photos to perform certain aspects of day-to-day jobs within the company, the same as needing ES chips.

But eventually someone with questionable morals and ethics, combined with an over-riding ego and narcissistic desire to be Mr. Cool will come upon the die images and decide for themselves that the world needs to see them too.
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Okey. So its like thousands in eg. amd that have access to the photos?
 
SiliconWars said:
Or it's a fake...
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It could be that or it even could be an orchestrated "leak" to drum up controversy and interest. Look at this post, it's generated 13 pages of responses. Multiply that with all the other forums, blogs etc. and that's free publicity for AMD. Of course that's my conjecture but I thought I'd throw it out.
 
goobee said:
It could be that or it even could be an orchestrated "leak" to drum up controversy and interest. Look at this post, it's generated 13 pages of responses. Multiply that with all the other forums, blogs etc. and that's free publicity for AMD. Of course that's my conjecture but I thought I'd throw it out.
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what would that matter though? only a handful of people would even give a crap about this.
 
goobee said:
It could be that or it even could be an orchestrated "leak" to drum up controversy and interest. Look at this post, it's generated 13 pages of responses. Multiply that with all the other forums, blogs etc. and that's free publicity for AMD. Of course that's my conjecture but I thought I'd throw it out.
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AMD would never stoop so low as to have a program that would intentionally attempt to manipulate enthusiasts. Never. :colbert:
 
toyota said:
what would that matter though? only a handful of people would even give a crap about this.
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Leak a beefy looking cpu -> "Hey Steamroller may be worth skipping Haswell for!" -> less Haswell sales, more buyers interested in Steamroller

Not really hard to see the chain of events. Yes, it does affect a limited crowd, but it's not exactly hurting them if they did leak it.
 
Idontcare said:
AMD would never stoop so low as to have a program that would intentionally attempt to manipulate enthusiasts. Never. :colbert:
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Ok 2nd attempt.

I think most enthusiasts are smart enough to never fall for this kind of thing. These programs are designed to increase mindshare in the blogger/casual community, and as you link shows the guy got slaughtered and clearly didn't have a chance vs a real enthusiast community.
 
SiliconWars said:
Ok 2nd attempt.

I think most enthusiasts are smart enough to never fall for this kind of thing. These programs are designed to increase mindshare in the blogger/casual community, and as you link shows the guy got slaughtered and clearly didn't have a chance vs a real enthusiast community.
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AMD made some things, but I doubt AMD will fall that low as lets say Intel or nVidia at one point. Doubtful, everyone is using tricks but in the end. It all depends on how much dirty are those tricks.
 
iAMunderDog said:
AMD made some things, but I doubt AMD will fall that low as lets say Intel or nVidia at one point. Doubtful, everyone is using tricks but in the end. It all depends on how much dirty are those tricks.
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*cof cof*

JFAMD said:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30364913&postcount=280

Actually I said 3 things:
1. Interlagos will perform 50% better than MC in the same thermals
2. IPC would be higher
3. Increase for single-threaded workloads will be "a lot" more than 17%

(...)
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*cof cof cof*



Randy Allen said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_n3wvsfq4Y

Barcelona will be 40% faster than Clovertown
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*cof cof cof cof*



ZDNET said:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/amd-posts-blatantly-deceptive-benchmarks-on-barcelona/567

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I've seen benchmarks get cherry picked and twisted before but this is just outrageous. AMD is deliberately leaving out Intel's best scores, leaving out Intel's best products that shipped months ago, and putting in theoretical Barcelona scores for products that don't even have a ship date. After Henri Richard (AMD executive) came in front of our ZDNet cameras to slam Intel for "un-ethical behavior" and promising not to do the same, we have caught them on four separate occasions behaving unethically. After this latest incident, it's clear that AMD has no intention of behaving honestly or ethically.

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Yes, I guess AMD will *never* fall as lower as Intel and Nvidia. Never. The industry wouldn't be the same without AMD's ethical behavior.

Ed: Btw, all these snafus were caused by AMD executives while exercising their roles.
 
@mrmt

That is just dust compared what Intel did to AMD... Saboteurs.

That's all old, we don't see anything like that for 2 years. AMD said Jaguar will have 15% improvements over Bobcat but in the end it was over 20%, 22% to be correct.
 
mrmt said:
Yes, I guess AMD will *never* fall as lower as Intel and Nvidia. Never. The industry wouldn't be the same without AMD's ethical behavior.

Ed: Btw, all these snafus were caused by AMD executives while exercising their roles.
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At least they didnt bribe anybody to force us buying
their products at hefty price , isnt it...

You re putting on the same level people with big mouths
and bank robbers , it does say how balanced you are.
 
iAMunderDog said:
@mrmt

That is just dust compared what Intel did to AMD... Saboteurs.

That's all old, we don't see anything like that for 2 years. AMD said Jaguar will have 15% improvements over Bobcat but in the end it was over 20%, 22% to be correct.
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If lie to your customer with a straight face is dust for you, godspeed.

But if you want current shenanigans, there's a lot more, like the "improvements" in Richland that in some games weren't improvements at all, performance got worse, the 125W Derpdozer that throttle downs in 125W MSI and AsRock boards, the hidden Derpdozer thermal specs, their OpenCL marketing campaign that started *before* they had working OpenCL drivers, you name it.

It's far from an ethical company, and it is one that lies with a straight face to their customers. It's ok if you like them, but don't put ethics and AMD in the same phrase because they do not mix.
 
My favourite one was when they fooled people to replace 890 series boards with "enhanced" Bulldozer performing 990 series. Yet the chips was exactly the same and performance as well.
 
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