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First PC, am I buying quality parts?
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It seems to me that anyone stooping down to the level of calling someone an idiot probably isn't mature or experienced enough to be giving advice. It surprises me how adamant people can be, and though I hate using the term 'fanboy', well....hello.
Marble, an AMD product set will 'probably' end up meeting your needs. I would price it out and see how much money yoy are actually going to be spending. I think there is little doubt that AMD cpus are competitive with intels. My doubts are more in line with the chipsets offered on the mobos. IMO, nothing is more stable than intel chipsets like the i865 and i875. price it out with the best AMD components and see what kind of diff you see. if the price is within 100 bucks however, I'd stick with the northwood.
Marble, an AMD product set will 'probably' end up meeting your needs. I would price it out and see how much money yoy are actually going to be spending. I think there is little doubt that AMD cpus are competitive with intels. My doubts are more in line with the chipsets offered on the mobos. IMO, nothing is more stable than intel chipsets like the i865 and i875. price it out with the best AMD components and see what kind of diff you see. if the price is within 100 bucks however, I'd stick with the northwood.
I would buy the parts listed in my little price fiasco, then save the $300 for a rainy day. Either that or spend it on some components that you otherwise wouldn't have had money for, such as nice speakers, a TV tuner, or a nice graphics card.
The A64 is pretty much priced at par with the P4 rigs. It performs probably 10-20% faster on average and has 64-bit capability, which makes it a better deal, but not even close to as great a deal as the Mobile Athlon XP's are.
The A64 is pretty much priced at par with the P4 rigs. It performs probably 10-20% faster on average and has 64-bit capability, which makes it a better deal, but not even close to as great a deal as the Mobile Athlon XP's are.
I have to agree with SickBeast on this one. Since you are going to be overclocking anyway, price out a nice rig using a Mobile Barton, compared to the Intel rig you are contemplating. If you end up saving anywhere in the realm of $200-300 (and if your MX is ok for now), then I would suggest spending the savings on a 74gb Raptor HDD (as your main boot drive), and keeping the Maxtor as a storage drive. A 10,000 RPM HDD should make more of a difference in your system's responsiveness in day-to-day tasks than the small difference you would see between an overclocked Mobile Barton and an Intel CPU.
Mobile XP 2400+, 512K cache, $77
Mobile XP 2500+, 512K cache, $88
Mobile XP 2600+, 512K cache, $99
I'm not up on the latest info regarding overclocking the Mobile Bartons, but IIRC the 2500+ and 2600+'s were generally regarded to be the better overclockers.
Mobile XP 2500+, 512K cache, $88
Mobile XP 2600+, 512K cache, $99
I'm not up on the latest info regarding overclocking the Mobile Bartons, but IIRC the 2500+ and 2600+'s were generally regarded to be the better overclockers.
Leave the guy alone. There is nothing wrong with Intel CPUs. They are better at multitasking thanks to their hyperthreading ability, and they perform better in a decent number of applications. As well, the guy is loyal to Intel because he feels they have earned his business through the providing of quality products to him over the years. Haven't you ever paid a little more to a company that treats you right?
dudeman007
Diamond Member
WHATS UP WITH THE AMD FREAKS!
OK..if you want to go intel you dont get a prescott. But you've gathered that. If you want to o/c go with amd, their cpus are cooler than intels. My advice to you is if you want to go the intel route...you should get a different mobo. I have the asus and its great, but go with an 865 board instead of an 875. Since your graphics arent the best, there is really not too much of a reason to go for the 875. You're gonna save money that way. All this bs about 10% to 20% is false. It is NOT that much. 64 processing is something you will not see too much of a difference because applications today aren't really 64 bit hungry yet, or at least not as they will be. Dont let in to the company favoring. With that system, I would go for the amd, because the cpus are getting to be dirt cheap now. You need a better vga, cause 64mb video cards just arent enough these days. Anyways, your choice.
dudeman007
Diamond Member
...err...ok mr protective.
WTF!? You call me an "AMD Freak" then reccomend AMD to him? Huh? Sorry, that does not compute.
I've just been trying to save the guy some money and get him the best hardware he can afford. If you want to castrate me in public for this, go right on ahead. Call me an AMD fanboy. Call me a freak. I don't care, and it doesn't bother me in the least. If intel offered a CPU for $88 that does what the 2500+ mobile can do, then I would reccomend that. Period.
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
OK, now that you are asking for advice, here it is.... If you read the other gazillion threads about this, is you do NOTHING but encoding, go Intel, OC or not. It you game, go AMD if you OC or not. If you want best bang/buck, go AMD and OC. If you OC and budget is cheap, go mobile Athlon XP Barton, and if high end, go Athlon64 (but yes they don't OC as good, until maybe socket 939, but they are pricey).
This sums up about 1000 peoples advice. Don't take my word for it, read the 1000 threads that say so !
This sums up about 1000 peoples advice. Don't take my word for it, read the 1000 threads that say so !
dudeman007
Diamond Member
Ok...this is getting out of hand. Look I recommended it him, but you told him false information and talk about intels as if they are junk. Get the facts straight. They are both great cpu companies, but you facts at times are wrong. Simple as that.
*yawn* it's your money, do as you like. you don't gotta listen to squat.
just keep in mind there's about 3000 more AMD users on these forums than intel users and everytime there's any topic related to intel products in anyway, you can be sure to see them jumping in to crown AMD as their king.
now... for your question, yes you have selected the right parts for your choice of platform. don't take some of those posts too seriously, they're carrying on like it's a crime against nature to purchase intel over amd. once again, who cares what others think? your money, your choice.
just keep in mind there's about 3000 more AMD users on these forums than intel users and everytime there's any topic related to intel products in anyway, you can be sure to see them jumping in to crown AMD as their king.
now... for your question, yes you have selected the right parts for your choice of platform. don't take some of those posts too seriously, they're carrying on like it's a crime against nature to purchase intel over amd. once again, who cares what others think? your money, your choice.
Tell me what I've been incorrect about and I'll gladly explain it to you or correct myself if I am indeed wrong.
You don't need to flame me, insult me, or otherwise belittle me if this is what you want. What you're doing is making yourself look like a complete bafoon who knows nothing about computer hardware. Get a life and stop harassing me.
Alright, I read the last few posts and I thought about it. Yah it is my money, and yah Intel has treated me right over the years, I have the money saved up and I will have this computer for a few years, I'm not going to try to save a few bucks to get something I don't want / will dislike. I really like Intel, I am going with them, even if it costs me more money.
edit: I do plan on multi-tasking alot, so I do want the hyper threading.
edit: I do plan on multi-tasking alot, so I do want the hyper threading.
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
Hey, thank you for giving a real reason for your choice ! HT doeas mean some performance gains to some people. (Duvie, where are you ?) I can't argue with someone that actually gives any real logic for their choices, just " I like it better" is crap..... Spend your money any way you want, just don't ask for advice, and not take it.
What I mean, is you should have given this as a reason to start with.
This would be the big one:
It seems you compare overclocked performance with stock speed performance here.
You should edit this post since your price comparisons are not correct.
If you decide to go the Intel route, here is another option:
2.8C $171.00
Abit IS7 (RAID, 1394, LAN, etc) $91
512mb PC3200RAM $87.00 x 2 = $174
Total = $436
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