First PC, am I buying quality parts?

[edmundoab]

All seem fine products.
But if you are keeping up with gaming the MX card has to be replaced , otherwise all is good

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Marble
SickBeast: please do not turn this thread into a flame war, I want some opinions, I see you like AMD and you suggest it, but I am sticking with Intel, please don't start a flame war.

I'm not. He started it by calling me a "fanboy" and a "troll". I'm neither, I just buy whatever is the best bang for the buck. If yourself or Lonyo can't deal with that, I suggest you both go post on an intel-only motherboard. The people on these boards are too intelligent to do something like that.

 

[Marble]

edmundoab: I will just be playing a couple older games on the side, and I really like the card, so it should be all good 🙂

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Lonyo
I could a $7 difference between the AMD64 2800+ and the P4 2.8C, or a $4 with the 2.8E.
Where is your $300 number from?
It's also less than $50 from the AMD XP 2800+ to the 2.8c.
You are pulling numbers out of your ass, like a fanboy, and then you effectively accuse the OP of being stupid for having personal preference?
Oh, and he said it would be ~$700.
The RAM, case and HDD are $430, that means that he would get the AMD prcessor and motherboard for -$30!
Tell me where, please god!

Go troll elsewhere.

Blow this out your a$$, Lonyo:

2.8C $171.00
AMD 2500+ moble $88.00
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$83 savings w/ AMD

512mb PC4000RAM $146.00 x 2 = $292
512mb PC3200RAM $87.00 x 2 = $174
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$118 savings w/ AMD

ASUS P4C800-E motherboard (intel) $178.00
ASUS A7N8X-DELUXE motherboard (AMD) $96.00
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$82 savings w/ AMD

TOTAL SAVED W/ AMD RIG: $283, which would be over $300 including taxes.

And don't even TRY to tell me the intel setup would perform better. He said he was overclocking. With both chips overclocked (2500mhz on the AMD, 3500mhz on the intel), the AMD would smoke the P4 in everything except for encoding.

Get some manners, Lonyo, and don't assume that you know everything because you obviously don't.

Interesting numbers.

Why compare 2.8C and 2500+ Mobile?
Why the ripoff PC4000 on the Intel system? It will run just fine with the same PC3200 as the AMD rig.
Why such an expensive Intel based board? There are plenty of good boards for the same ~ $100 range as the A7N8X.

 

[Marble]

A bit off topic, but as you can see I am new to these boards, just wondering what the heatware field in my profile is for?

 

[SickBeast]

I chose the 2500+ mobile because overclocked it will compete with the 2.8C for much less money. I chose PC4000 because you need to overclock the FSB on an intel rig to overclock the CPU; AMD mobiles are multiplier unlocked. On top of that, other people in this thread suggested that PC3200 was insufficient. I suppose you could use a divider on second thought, however I was under the impression that there was a performace hit in doing so. I chose that motherboard because that is what the OP is thinking about buying. In the same $100 range as the A7N8X-DELUXE will you get the same features, such as SoundStorm, firewire, and SATA-RAID? Will it be an ASUS board?

 

[Marble]

Edited my origianal post to reflect the new northwood core. Seems like a solid system if I do say so myself. Anyone else find flaws with it (other than it not being AMD).

 

[oldfart]

No doubt the 2500+ is a good value. Many people are getting 3.4 - 3.5 GHz out of a 2.8C as well which I think would compare quite well. Depends on what you want to do as far as overclocking goes.

You DO NOT need PC4000 to overclock the 2.8C. Very few overclockers use it (the ones who know what they are doing anyway) I'm running @255 MHz FSB with PC3200. A divider with tight timings is faster/cheaper than the ripoff PC4000 with the high latency.

I think the P4C800-E is a decent board, but far from the best value out there, but that is his choice if he likes it. An Abit IC7 is a better bang for the buck, but yeah, the onboard sound is much better on the AMD board.

 

[ath50]

I will just be playing a couple older games on the side

Then you should be fine. And if you start feeling a little graphics card limited the 9800pro in the future would probably be a good match with the 2.8C (not getting too limited with CPU or GPU)

 

[Illissius]

It's pretty much right now. Only possible changes are perhaps a 3.0C instead and faster memory for that overclocking thing, but you'll be perfectly fine with the ones you chose as well.
I still can't comprehend not wanting a faster video card though, especially if you're spending well over a thousand on the rest as it is 🙁.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I chose the 2500+ mobile because overclocked it will compete with the 2.8C for much less money. I chose PC4000 because you need to overclock the FSB on an intel rig to overclock the CPU; AMD mobiles are multiplier unlocked. On top of that, other people in this thread suggested that PC3200 was insufficient. I suppose you could use a divider on second thought, however I was under the impression that there was a performace hit in doing so. I chose that motherboard because that is what the OP is thinking about buying. In the same $100 range as the A7N8X-DELUXE will you get the same features, such as SoundStorm, firewire, and SATA-RAID? Will it be an ASUS board?

You don't take that much hit from running memory and fsb at different divider using P4. Duvie did lot of testing on this subject and you can search for his post for more info. You can get good Abit Intel board for around $100. Difference in price should be under $100 between two platforms.

I believe P4 2.8c at 3.5ghz is faster than AMD mobile @ 2.5ghz. P4 2.8C w/ Hyperthreading is great chip and you can't go wrong with it.

For memory I would suggest looking at A-data at Newegg. A-data PC3200 value is good performer for the price but PC4000 is good memory at reasonable price for OC. It's around $108 for 512mb stick I believe. I would buy that memory over more expensive Corsair, Muskin, OCZ, etc.

 

[Lonyo]

This motherboard might suit
I think that DFI Lanpatry's are meant to be good overclockers too. And it's $50 less.
This might not be too bad either
Abit also make good overclocking boards, but I'm not sure that's their best one out there, it won't be bad though.

This RAM is rated for 250MHz FSB
Not very good timings, but then you can run either 250MHz FSB with lax timings, or 200MHz with tighter timings.
That would be your 2.8c up to 3500MHz (which should be attainable).
Or you can get some PC3200 and run at 200MHz FSB with a 5:4 divider (processor is 250MHz, RAM is 200MHz)

Also, check local PC stores for a cheaper HDD, they may have a sale/offer with rebates that will get you the same drive for cheaper.
Maxtor 120GB $96 from Newegg. (OEM)
Or a 160GB Samsung for $100 (Newegg, OEM).

If you;re ordering other stuff from Newegg, might as well get a better (and cheaper) HDD from there as well.

 

[Marble]

Thanks A million Lonyo.
I think I will stick with what I have now (except get the HDD from newegg for $20 cheaper), I will be getting the parts and working on it slowly, I'll post a new thread in a couple weeks when it is complete. Thanks to all that gave their opinion 🙂

 

[oldfart]

If you dont mind rebates, there are always good HDD deals on the hot deals forum. $0.50/Gig is the going rate. Circuit City has a 200 Gig WD for $100 after rebates.

 

[ath50]

A bit off topic, but as you can see I am new to these boards, just wondering what the heatware field in my profile is for?

Heatware is for selling and buying stuff online, its like ebay's feedback thing. After the transactions the two parties post commends on the transaction.

Also for HDs, most people would recommend sticking with Seagate, WD, or Samsung, all three are decent. Definitely look to get a 3 year warranty though, all companies come out with faulty drives. It seems as if Maxtor has more faulty drives (die earlier, or are louder), but then again it can be hard to tell when you are basing it on single persons' experiences because as I said, they all end up with bad drives.

This Samsung 120gb looks really nice. Notice 37 reviews all 5/5. And a 3 year warranty

 

[Goi]

I seriously doubt a mobile Athlon clocked at 2.5GHz is gonna outperform an overclocked P4 3.5GHz, but it really depends on what he's doing with his computer. Marble, since you're not playing games, what exactly are you doing with your PC?

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Goi
I seriously doubt a mobile Athlon clocked at 2.5GHz is gonna outperform an overclocked P4 3.5GHz, but it really depends on what he's doing with his computer. Marble, since you're not playing games, what exactly are you doing with your PC?

Mobile XP needs to be around 2.8 ghz to match P4 2.8C overclocked to 3.5Ghz. I seriously doubt you can get to stable 2.8ghz on air with mobile XP.

 

[alexXx]

I'm sorry marble but you are an idiot. AMD is a superior product and is cheaper. You come here and almost everyone says to switch to amd and you say some bs like 'intel earned my business'. If you DIDNT want advise, you should not have come here. I honestly dont know why people waste time trying to help people like you.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: Goi
I seriously doubt a mobile Athlon clocked at 2.5GHz is gonna outperform an overclocked P4 3.5GHz, but it really depends on what he's doing with his computer. Marble, since you're not playing games, what exactly are you doing with your PC?

Mobile XP needs to be around 2.8 ghz to match P4 2.8C overclocked to 3.5Ghz. I seriously doubt you can get to stable 2.8ghz on air with mobile XP.

You may be correct on that in certain situations. In others, however, the mobile at 2500mhz will spank anything intel makes, including the P4EE and a 3.5ghz P4C.

LINK to comparison between Mobile XP at 2500mhz vs. Athlon FX-53 vs. P4 3.2E

Granted, it's a Prescott, but the results are interesting nonetheless.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: alexXx
I'm sorry marble but you are an idiot. AMD is a superior product and is cheaper. You come here and almost everyone says to switch to amd and you say some bs like 'intel earned my business'. If you DIDNT want advise, you should not have come here. I honestly dont know why people waste time trying to help people like you.

You were much more blunt than I was willing to be, but I do tend to agree with that statement.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: alexXx
I'm sorry marble but you are an idiot. AMD is a superior product and is cheaper. You come here and almost everyone says to switch to amd and you say some bs like 'intel earned my business'. If you DIDNT want advise, you should not have come here. I honestly dont know why people waste time trying to help people like you.

You were much more blunt than I was willing to be, but I do tend to agree with that statement.

Ditto. Stop giving him advice guys, since "nobody's home" to listen to it......

 

[ath50]

Thats pretty harsh

Just because he wants to stick with Intel and you don't want him to, doesn't mean you can't help him on the rest of his selections. He is listening to the other advice people are giving him.

 

[Marble]

Alright, I am open to reason, if I was to go with AMD and stick with the same budget (or less, I'll save money if I can), what would I need to change? of course a new processor and mobo, what new things would you suggest?

 

[ath50]

You can keep everything else the same and get

Athlon 64 3000+

Do you need Gigabit Ethernet, an on-chip firewall, or firewire?

If so I would recommend the MSI Neo Platinum mobo

if not you can save a lot and get the Chaintech VNF3-250 mobo for like $69 at mwave.com right now, or a little more other places, still a lot less than the MSI

AT has an article comparing the 2nd generation motherboards for S754 here

 

[Corporate Thug]

its funny, everytime i see a system with a 2.8/3.0/3.2C configuration, people always jump in and say get a A64 3000+ or 3200+

the 2.8C is a great chip at a reasonable price, no reason not to get it