First GT-R Warranty Denial due to VDC?

[freegeeks]

there are some rich dudes in that thread, Ferrari's, Porsche Turbo

 

[EightySix Four]

I am really bothered by Nissan's actions. Let's compare it to a computer: Company X is selling a computer and saying it can get ____ 3dMark score, but you have to press a turbo button on the front of the computer that overclocks it all automatically, reviewers love the computer because this button makes it so fast, so you buy one. When you get it you start playing games with the turbo button on every once and awhile and have no problems.

The one night you have a marathon gaming session with some buddies and play for 12 hours straight with the turbo button on. Two weeks later the computer is toast and Company X says because you used the turbo button they won't fix it.

You bought the computer under the assumption that it could score ____ in 3dMark but you had to overclock it to do so. The reviewers loved it because of how fast it was, but when you used it it died, and your warranty was denied. No reviewer ever mentioned in the fine print it says DON'T USE THE TURBO BUTTON.

If the video card couldn't handle it, if it didn't have the proper thermal cooling, or for any reason it couldn't do it for a normal period of time, then they shouldn't have put the damn button on there.

If the trans can't handle it don't give them the opportunity to fry the fucker, and if for some reason you'd still like to have that option, don't let reviewers use it for timing the car. 20 launches is PATHETIC. Yes, it's a track car, but there ARE people out there that floor it every chance they get and it needs to be designed well enough to handle such people, God knows if a ZR1/Z06 broke after 20 hard launches people would lose their minds if GM didn't replace it as defective.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
I am really bothered by Nissan's actions. Let's compare it to a computer: Company X is selling a computer and saying it can get ____ 3dMark score, but you have to press a turbo button on the front of the computer that overclocks it all automatically, reviewers love the computer because this button makes it so fast, so you buy one. When you get it you start playing games with the turbo button on every once and awhile and have no problems.

The one night you have a marathon gaming session with some buddies and play for 12 hours straight with the turbo button on. Two weeks later the computer is toast and Company X says because you used the turbo button they won't fix it.

You bought the computer under the assumption that it could score ____ in 3dMark but you had to overclock it to do so. The reviewers loved it because of how fast it was, but when you used it it died, and your warranty was denied. No reviewer ever mentioned in the fine print it says DON'T USE THE TURBO BUTTON.

If the video card couldn't handle it, if it didn't have the proper thermal cooling, or for any reason it couldn't do it for a normal period of time, then they shouldn't have put the damn button on there.

If the trans can't handle it don't give them the opportunity to fry the fucker, and if for some reason you'd still like to have that option, don't let reviewers use it for timing the car. 20 launches is PATHETIC. Yes, it's a track car, but there ARE people out there that floor it every chance they get and it needs to be designed well enough to handle such people, God knows if a ZR1/Z06 broke after 20 hard launches people would lose their minds if GM didn't replace it as defective.

I pretty much agree with all of that, but what do I know, I'm a raging Nissan fanboy rofl. :laugh:

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Maybe some Nissan bashers who still have cars under warranty can do an experiment for us, just so we can compare warranty coverage.
Repeatedly drop clutch at high RPM to match magazine 0-60 runs. If (when) this causes transmission to fail for one reason or another, take the car to dealer, tell them what you were doing, and ask for a repalcement transmission.
Report back to us what you hear from the dealer, but please omit the expletives.

I beat the 0-60 times in magazines with my car. (8 seconds in magazines, I estimate 7.5 based on the 1/8th and 1/4 mile timeslips, my 15.50 1/4 beats the magazine's 16.0) The warranty ran out a few years ago, but the only long term effects are the synchronizes have taken a toll from the ham shifting that I did. And I didn't do high RPM launches because it just spun the tires. Never had to replace anything in the drivetrain except for fluids and a seal we damaged when we did the clutch. (the output shaft cap was too large). Eight years old now, 96k miles, and the last time it went somewhere under something else's power was the day it was delivered to the dealer.

So I'm sorry, my car went through about eight trips to the drag strip and survived. Never needed to exercise the warranty for that. Some cars are just glass hammers. They look nice, but try to use them and they shatter.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: senseamp
Maybe some Nissan bashers who still have cars under warranty can do an experiment for us, just so we can compare warranty coverage.
Repeatedly drop clutch at high RPM to match magazine 0-60 runs. If (when) this causes transmission to fail for one reason or another, take the car to dealer, tell them what you were doing, and ask for a repalcement transmission.
Report back to us what you hear from the dealer, but please omit the expletives.

I beat the 0-60 times in magazines with my car. (8 seconds in magazines, I estimate 7.5 based on the 1/8th and 1/4 mile timeslips, my 15.50 1/4 beats the magazine's 16.0) The warranty ran out a few years ago, but the only long term effects are the synchronizes have taken a toll from the ham shifting that I did. And I didn't do high RPM launches because it just spun the tires. Never had to replace anything in the drivetrain except for fluids and a seal we damaged when we did the clutch. (the output shaft cap was too large). Eight years old now, 96k miles, and the last time it went somewhere under something else's power was the day it was delivered to the dealer.

So I'm sorry, my car went through about eight trips to the drag strip and survived. Never needed to exercise the warranty for that. Some cars are just glass hammers. They look nice, but try to use them and they shatter.

That sounds just like me I consistently beat the magazine times for the Ford Focus on the 1/4 (I have an '08 5-Speed S Coupe, the lightest available). I launch at about ~3600.

 

[EightySix Four]

If I were looking to buy in that specific segment right now, the GT-R was on the top of my list for it's performance characteristics alone. I don't particularly find it attractive looks wise, but it is an excellent overall vehicle.

This incident has made me rethink that. I honestly don't know if I could purchase one, not because I'm a launch control fanatic or anything, but because a car of this caliber should handle abuse, and with as much electronics as they have on the car, it should be able to keep you from causing it to tank itself.

I guess I'm kind of dissapointed in Godzilla now.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
I am really bothered by Nissan's actions. Let's compare it to a computer: Company X is selling a computer and saying it can get ____ 3dMark score, but you have to press a turbo button on the front of the computer that overclocks it all automatically, reviewers love the computer because this button makes it so fast, so you buy one. When you get it you start playing games with the turbo button on every once and awhile and have no problems.

The one night you have a marathon gaming session with some buddies and play for 12 hours straight with the turbo button on. Two weeks later the computer is toast and Company X says because you used the turbo button they won't fix it.

You bought the computer under the assumption that it could score ____ in 3dMark but you had to overclock it to do so. The reviewers loved it because of how fast it was, but when you used it it died, and your warranty was denied. No reviewer ever mentioned in the fine print it says DON'T USE THE TURBO BUTTON.

If the video card couldn't handle it, if it didn't have the proper thermal cooling, or for any reason it couldn't do it for a normal period of time, then they shouldn't have put the damn button on there.

If the trans can't handle it don't give them the opportunity to fry the fucker, and if for some reason you'd still like to have that option, don't let reviewers use it for timing the car. 20 launches is PATHETIC. Yes, it's a track car, but there ARE people out there that floor it every chance they get and it needs to be designed well enough to handle such people, God knows if a ZR1/Z06 broke after 20 hard launches people would lose their minds if GM didn't replace it as defective.

Will GM pay for a burned up clutch?

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Maybe some Nissan bashers who still have cars under warranty can do an experiment for us, just so we can compare warranty coverage.
Repeatedly drop clutch at high RPM to match magazine 0-60 runs. If (when) this causes transmission to fail for one reason or another, take the car to dealer, tell them what you were doing, and ask for a repalcement transmission.
Report back to us what you hear from the dealer, but please omit the expletives.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: zixxer
Will GM pay for a burned up clutch?

Clutches, tires, and brakes are considered wear items. There is no warranty for a clutch.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: zixxer
Will GM pay for a burned up clutch?

Clutches, tires, and brakes are considered wear items. There is no warranty for a clutch.

to my knowledge, no warranty covers wear items.

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
I am really bothered by Nissan's actions. Let's compare it to a computer: Company X is selling a computer and saying it can get ____ 3dMark score, but you have to press a turbo button on the front of the computer that overclocks it all automatically, reviewers love the computer because this button makes it so fast, so you buy one. When you get it you start playing games with the turbo button on every once and awhile and have no problems.

The one night you have a marathon gaming session with some buddies and play for 12 hours straight with the turbo button on. Two weeks later the computer is toast and Company X says because you used the turbo button they won't fix it.

You bought the computer under the assumption that it could score ____ in 3dMark but you had to overclock it to do so. The reviewers loved it because of how fast it was, but when you used it it died, and your warranty was denied. No reviewer ever mentioned in the fine print it says DON'T USE THE TURBO BUTTON.

If the video card couldn't handle it, if it didn't have the proper thermal cooling, or for any reason it couldn't do it for a normal period of time, then they shouldn't have put the damn button on there.

If the trans can't handle it don't give them the opportunity to fry the fucker, and if for some reason you'd still like to have that option, don't let reviewers use it for timing the car. 20 launches is PATHETIC. Yes, it's a track car, but there ARE people out there that floor it every chance they get and it needs to be designed well enough to handle such people, God knows if a ZR1/Z06 broke after 20 hard launches people would lose their minds if GM didn't replace it as defective.

Will GM pay for a burned up clutch?

Clutch vs. $20,000 transmission

Different argument entirely

 

[halik]

Hah that's why you don't buy a 100K car from a company that makes 20K cars. They'll always end up acting as if they sold you an altima.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: zixxer
Will GM pay for a burned up clutch?

Clutches, tires, and brakes are considered wear items. There is no warranty for a clutch.

to my knowledge, no warranty covers wear items.

I think GM has a 12k warranty on most wear items. They will replace a clutch if it was due to defect but not wear in the full car warranty as well.

 

[Greenman]

Just so I'm clear, this car were talking about has a button that voids the warranty? And it's called a "feature"?


It's really going to suck when the rest of the auto makers decide to copy this one.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Greenman
Just so I'm clear, this car were talking about has a button that voids the warranty? And it's called a "feature"?


It's really going to suck when the rest of the auto makers decide to copy this one.

No, this car has a 'secret mode' which makes it do an extremely powerful launch - it's not just a switch you flip.

That's where a lot of the misinformation comes from - Nissan is not voiding the warranty due to VDC being off, they're doing it when people are abusing the launch control 'mode' (which isn't advertised at all in the USA)

People are pissed because the magazine testers claim a 3.3 0-60 but you have to use launch control to get that - otherwise it's ~4 seconds.

The big deal I have is that it's a TRACK CAR not a drag car. This mode is for that ONCE a year you pull up next to a 911 or lambo at a light - not for showing off three times a day to your coworkers and every civic you pull up to.

I think it's ridiculous because the 0-60 times only people to magazine racing fanboys.. Racing light to light isn't as fun when you are the fastest thing on the road.